Poll: Pirelli tyres
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Discussion
rdjohn said:
Johnboy Mac said:
Yes, the most untalented seven times WC ever!
Exactly - I never really admired him, but the record speaks for itself. I suppose some doubters also thought he was poor in the rain? The problem then was that the talent around him was not as good as it is now. There is now so much talent on the grid that he is looking a bit mediocre, but I doubt that he has forgotten much. Delivery is now his problem.
Spain 1996: who did Schumacher beat then? Damon (spun), Villeneuve (first ever wet GP) and Alesi still smarting from being fired from Ferrari... With hindsight, not really top drawer.
Spa 1995: probably the most convincing but only by barging Damon out of the way and again possibly in the best car/team/fuel tank combination that year. Again not top drawer competition.
(Edit: Nurbergring 1995 - a great victory but actually Alesi owned him on slicks in the wet but dozed off to sleep towards then end. Put Jenson in that Ferrari and it would have been an easy Ferrari victory...)
There were a few wet Ferrari victories (in the best car/tyre combination - those brilliant bridgestone inters denied to the competition...) and didn't they run traction control mapping on those engines in those days...
1994: in the wet in Japan - actually beaten by Hill in Hill's finest race imho.
Edited by dom180 on Monday 14th May 19:25
Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz says tyres have turned F1 into a lottery for teams
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99640
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99640
Excluding Raikkonen, the top 5 drivers in the Driver's Championship so far are the same 5 that finished in the top 5 at the end of 2011.
We've only had a small anomaly in the wins, but the reality is the same top 5 drivers are still at the top. Your anger is misplaced rdjohn. Like in seasons past, and 2012 is no different, the best drivers in the best teams have risen to the top.
We've only had a small anomaly in the wins, but the reality is the same top 5 drivers are still at the top. Your anger is misplaced rdjohn. Like in seasons past, and 2012 is no different, the best drivers in the best teams have risen to the top.
rdjohn said:
Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz says tyres have turned F1 into a lottery for teams
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99640
Dear autosport, 1998 would like there website back, it's Ok to move on now.http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99640
owner of the dominant team for the last 2 years only wins 1 out of the first 5 races and his cars often appear to be off the pace.
No agenda there then.
I wish all this p*ssing and moaning about the tyres would stop.
Red Bulls problem (and the same goes for other "top" teams) is nothing to do with tyres, its the fact that EBD was banned and without it their aero is not hugely better better than anyone elses. If we still had EBD you'd see the usual suspects up front.
In any case I don't see what the problem with F1 is. I know its unusual but we actually get to see some racing and *gasp* overtaking. It seems some people want to go back to the processional races of 10 years ago.
No agenda there then.
I wish all this p*ssing and moaning about the tyres would stop.
Red Bulls problem (and the same goes for other "top" teams) is nothing to do with tyres, its the fact that EBD was banned and without it their aero is not hugely better better than anyone elses. If we still had EBD you'd see the usual suspects up front.
In any case I don't see what the problem with F1 is. I know its unusual but we actually get to see some racing and *gasp* overtaking. It seems some people want to go back to the processional races of 10 years ago.
EDLT said:
If they win the next race (and PH immediately predicts total dominance by that driver for the rest of the season) they will cheer up.
I didn't read DM's comment as any kind of moaning or dissatisfaction. It sounds like he was just stating the fact that teams are struggling to understand the tyres, which has created a lot of randomness in the results."F1 is more exciting and more unpredictable than ever before" - this doesn't sound negative.
"It has become a kind of lottery to find out the window in which a tyre works" - a simple, factual statement.
The aim of modern regulations should always be to ensure that the teams DON'T understand aspects of the technology fully. Once they get on top of an aspect of the technology the racing starts becoming processional and predictable.
Keep everyone on their toes and slightly in the dark - that's the secret.
Keep everyone on their toes and slightly in the dark - that's the secret.
rdjohn said:
So would we like to see Usain Bolt running with just 1 shoe, or goals so large that football match score lines read 34 - 36?
It would make great TV.
Unlike athletics, Motor sport is very much based on technical formulae and specifications. That fact is even reflected in the titles the categories of motor sport are labelled with. It would make great TV.
I can't see the problem with those fotrmulae being tweaked and amended on a regular basis to keep everybody on their toes.
Eric Mc said:
Unlike athletics, Motor sport is very much based on technical formulae and specifications. That fact is even reflected in the titles the categories of motor sport are labelled with.
Like GP2 and GP3? Technical regulations are used to bring about a level playing field throughout all categories of motorsport, so it is driver skill that becomes paramount. The current tyres just introduce a high degree of randomness. i.e. they make it more of a lottery.
It is hard to think of a metaphor comparable to asking Pirelli to design non-durable tyres, but it is akin to asking a structural engineer to design a bridge that will collapse after 5 – 6 years have elapsed. TV cameras would know when it was about to happen, so it would make a great human interest story. Yes, I know, it is daft.
Crafty_ said:
owner of the dominant team for the last 2 years only wins 1 out of the first 5 races and his cars often appear to be off the pace.
No agenda there then.
I wish all this p*ssing and moaning about the tyres would stop.
Red Bulls problem (and the same goes for other "top" teams) is nothing to do with tyres, its the fact that EBD was banned and without it their aero is not hugely better better than anyone elses. If we still had EBD you'd see the usual suspects up front.
In any case I don't see what the problem with F1 is. I know its unusual but we actually get to see some racing and *gasp* overtaking. It seems some people want to go back to the processional races of 10 years ago.
Can you tell me what 'racing' you've witnessed this season so far?No agenda there then.
I wish all this p*ssing and moaning about the tyres would stop.
Red Bulls problem (and the same goes for other "top" teams) is nothing to do with tyres, its the fact that EBD was banned and without it their aero is not hugely better better than anyone elses. If we still had EBD you'd see the usual suspects up front.
In any case I don't see what the problem with F1 is. I know its unusual but we actually get to see some racing and *gasp* overtaking. It seems some people want to go back to the processional races of 10 years ago.
Last weekend I watched one of the raciest drivers out there (LH) have to tip-toe round to make sure his tyres didn't fall off a cliff.
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