Poll: Pirelli tyres
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Discussion
Scuffers said:
are you blind?
seriously, by lap 15, the cct was covered in 'marbles', kind of reminded me of what Silverstone looked like after a 24H race (with 80+cars)
yes, there is always going to be some, but never this much, and the point is, it makes going off line very hazardous, and thus discourages people using odd lines to make passes etc.
Can't believe the general guff posted in this thread, particularly the people going on abut Moss and Fangio days, like there is any relevance at all, also, going on about wet's is also meaningless.
As said, we are seriously at risk that the GP2 cars will be faster than some of the F1 grid this weekend, and just how pathetic will that look?
Says far more about the teams and cars at the back of the F1 grid than it does the tyres. I bet the majority of F1 tyres will lap the circuit faster than the leading GP2 cars in their respective races.seriously, by lap 15, the cct was covered in 'marbles', kind of reminded me of what Silverstone looked like after a 24H race (with 80+cars)
yes, there is always going to be some, but never this much, and the point is, it makes going off line very hazardous, and thus discourages people using odd lines to make passes etc.
Can't believe the general guff posted in this thread, particularly the people going on abut Moss and Fangio days, like there is any relevance at all, also, going on about wet's is also meaningless.
As said, we are seriously at risk that the GP2 cars will be faster than some of the F1 grid this weekend, and just how pathetic will that look?
Eric Mc said:
Are you too young to remember the days when preserving many aspects of the car was an integral part of F1?
Being a successful grand prix driver was as much to do with that as it was to do with having the ability to plant one's foot to the floor a drive flat out 100% of the time.
Did it make Fangio or Clark poorer drivers than Schumacher or Villeneuve?
But whilst the drivers of old were preserving their machines, this was because their engineers were pushing them to the limit of design and performance.Being a successful grand prix driver was as much to do with that as it was to do with having the ability to plant one's foot to the floor a drive flat out 100% of the time.
Did it make Fangio or Clark poorer drivers than Schumacher or Villeneuve?
The Pirelli tyres aren't having to be preserved because they are at the edge of the technical envelope for performance. They have to be nursed because they've been designed to be rubbish.
There's nothing wrong with them degrading in principle. It's because they fall off a cliff that they become a lottery, and the teams don't know when this will be.
This season reminds me of golf tournaments where they trick up the course so much to attempt to challenge the world's best players and it backfires as the world-ranked 272 player ends up winning because he got a bit luckier than the rest.
zac510 said:
not really relevant as we have had no re-fuelling for some time now, yet the s
t tyres are a recent issue.that's not to say I don't think he has a point though, never did understand why they banned it.
Rude-boy said:
Scuffers said:
are you blind?
We could be here all day
Yes there are a lot this year, down to the way the tyres work, but there have been marbles in sufficent numbers to make overtaking difficult for years and it doesn't seem to have stopped overtaking this year...
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It's such an interesting display of human psychology, to have watched people complain incessantly (edit: on forums for years) about single team dominance and the moment it doesn't happen they get upset. It goes to show that there's a gigantic chasm in the difference between what people say they want and what they actually want. People say they like excitement and challenging the drivers (how many times have you heard "They're the best in the world, they should be able to handle it"). But in reality people like things to be consistent, reliable, predictable . Something that's unpredictable is scary. Knowing that one of the top 3 teams might not win next weekend is scary. And that's your problem with these Pirelli tyres; you're actually scared of them!
Edited by zac510 on Thursday 17th May 16:12
zac510 said:
No, I agree with him!BRING BACK REFUELING - it will make the event more of a race; preferably, bring back refueling and durabe race-tyres as well.
Teams sitting around in the pits or doing safe laps to save tyres in Q3 is all wrong
zac510 said:
you're actually scared of them!
Yeah, scared of F1 being watered down.Edited by zac510 on Thursday 17th May 16:12
Hamilton, Senna, Alonso, Gilles, Schumi, they've won in midfield type cars and consistently maximised the cars.
It was a measure of quality and talent.
rdjohn said:
No, I agree with him!
BRING BACK REFUELING - it will make the event more of a race; preferably, bring back refueling and durabe race-tyres as well.
Teams sitting around in the pits or doing safe laps to save tyres in Q3 is all wrong
Kimi never raced last year so he doesn't know what he's talking about. A lot changed after Kimi was kicked out of Ferrari.BRING BACK REFUELING - it will make the event more of a race; preferably, bring back refueling and durabe race-tyres as well.
Teams sitting around in the pits or doing safe laps to save tyres in Q3 is all wrong
I certainly wouldn't want refuelling back. Who wants to drivers hanging back to save fuel and passing done in the pits?
entropy said:
Hamilton, Senna, Alonso, Gilles, Schumi, they've won in midfield type cars and consistently maximised the cars.
It was a measure of quality and talent.
You're saying that if you give a driver inferior equipment and he still manages to win then it's a measure of quality and talent?It was a measure of quality and talent.
Oh but you are excluding tyres from that, surely!
oyster said:
Eric Mc said:
Are you too young to remember the days when preserving many aspects of the car was an integral part of F1?
Being a successful grand prix driver was as much to do with that as it was to do with having the ability to plant one's foot to the floor a drive flat out 100% of the time.
Did it make Fangio or Clark poorer drivers than Schumacher or Villeneuve?
But whilst the drivers of old were preserving their machines, this was because their engineers were pushing them to the limit of design and performance.Being a successful grand prix driver was as much to do with that as it was to do with having the ability to plant one's foot to the floor a drive flat out 100% of the time.
Did it make Fangio or Clark poorer drivers than Schumacher or Villeneuve?
The Pirelli tyres aren't having to be preserved because they are at the edge of the technical envelope for performance. They have to be nursed because they've been designed to be rubbish.
There's nothing wrong with them degrading in principle. It's because they fall off a cliff that they become a lottery, and the teams don't know when this will be.
This season reminds me of golf tournaments where they trick up the course so much to attempt to challenge the world's best players and it backfires as the world-ranked 272 player ends up winning because he got a bit luckier than the rest.
We are working from a vast knowledge base that didn't exist in the 50s, 60s. 70s 80s etc.
Eric Mc said:
As I have been saying for ages. We know too much now. Part of the job of the regulations these days is to STOP the engineers from making the cars/tyres etc too fast, too reliable, too unbreakable etc.
We are working from a vast knowledge base that didn't exist in the 50s, 60s. 70s 80s etc.
I take to have to say it again, but that's rubbish.We are working from a vast knowledge base that didn't exist in the 50s, 60s. 70s 80s etc.
back in the 80's you could have said exactly the same, did not make it right then, like it's not right now.
define too fast?
define too reliable?
if you think about it, by slowing them down and all the crap rule changes of the last 5+ years, that's what's made them reliable and boring.
take off the limit's, watch them develop new stuff, racing get's 'real' again.
I hope they bring back refuelling actually because it'll mean i get my Sunday afternoons/mornings back. Rather than sit watching the race for two hours I will be able go back to what I used to which was watch the start and then the last 15 laps, safe in the knowledge that nothing of any interest whatsoever had actually happened on track in between.
Scuffers said:
take off the limit's, watch them develop new stuff, racing get's 'real' again.
We would all love to see that but the problem is that we have reached a point where the cars would be so fast it would be impossible without the H&S mob shutting the sport down.Now tell them all they have to have stock 1 litre engines and that they are allowed any other form of propulsion they like to supplement this so long as it does not rely on the combustion of hydrocarbons to produce/release that energy other than those which are used to fuel the 1000cc lump and you might have a 1/4 chance of keeping the speeds in check. You can then drop the 1000cc to 750, and so on until we have a 100% green fuel F1...
By the mid 1990s we had left behind the era where the engineers could have their head. These days, motor sport is more about restraining the boundaries rather than finding them.
I know that may be sad but we simply can't have cars that are too fast for the venues they use or too fast for the drivers to be able to control.
We'll never have the feeling of pushing the limits of technology that we had in the 1960s and 70s - unless we want venues with a mile of run off and the spectators kept back so far they need TV monitors to follow the action.
I know that may be sad but we simply can't have cars that are too fast for the venues they use or too fast for the drivers to be able to control.
We'll never have the feeling of pushing the limits of technology that we had in the 1960s and 70s - unless we want venues with a mile of run off and the spectators kept back so far they need TV monitors to follow the action.
Johnboy Mac said:
So, Monaco should have been cancelled years ago?
Yes if you are talking from a pure sporting POV. Brands hatch Indy is more suited to F1 cars than there.Johnboy Mac said:
The turbo era should never have occurred?
If the turbo era and the cars from it were brought out today it would never happen. We live in 2012, not 1982, and we have to get over the fact the nanny has our sport by the balls and play with what we have.
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