F1 returning to Paul Ricard, alternating with Spa

[Eric Mc]

Sorry, the conversation is now too dumb for words so I'll let you do some research on the subject and perhaps I might re-engage when you post evidence that you know what you are talking about.

[anonymous-user]

Eric Mc said:

Sorry, the conversation is now too dumb for words so I'll let you do some research on the subject and perhaps I might re-engage when you post evidence that you know what you are talking about.

I think you'll find my own post provides the answer already.

[Eric Mc]

djstevec said:

Eric Mc said:

Sorry, the conversation is now too dumb for words so I'll let you do some research on the subject and perhaps I might re-engage when you post evidence that you know what you are talking about.

I think you'll find my own post provides the answer already.

Then why are you acting as Mr Stupid then?

If you know the answer, why don't you just say it.

[Wills2]

Eric Mc said:

djstevec said:

Eric Mc said:

Sorry, the conversation is now too dumb for words so I'll let you do some research on the subject and perhaps I might re-engage when you post evidence that you know what you are talking about.

I think you'll find my own post provides the answer already.

Then why are you acting as Mr Stupid then?

If you know the answer, why don't you just say it.

I don't know the answer either, is that good enough for you to share?

I would imagine building the thing would be the biggest cost?

[anonymous-user]

Eric Mc said:

djstevec said:

Eric Mc said:

Sorry, the conversation is now too dumb for words so I'll let you do some research on the subject and perhaps I might re-engage when you post evidence that you know what you are talking about.

I think you'll find my own post provides the answer already.

Then why are you acting as Mr Stupid then?

If you know the answer, why don't you just say it.

Because you clearly hadn't read my post before asking me a stupid question. As Bernie say, "What a silly question, I'll give you a silly answer"

[FourWheelDrift]

Paul Ricard can apparently create 167 different circuit layouts so I wonder what one they wil use for the race, or will Mr Tilke be let loose to make yet another circuit change.

PDF of the circuit layouts here - http://www.circuitpaulricard.com/views/public/pdf/...

Circuit layout 1A-V2 is my preferred by very unlikely layout.

[anonymous-user]

FourWheelDrift said:

Paul Ricard can apparently create 167 different circuit layouts so I wonder what one they wil use for the race, or will Mr Tilke be let loose to make yet another circuit change.

PDF of the circuit layouts here - http://www.circuitpaulricard.com/views/public/pdf/...

Yeah I kinda got bored after about layout 8 with one corner different to the one before.

Will Bernie be let loose with the sprinkler switch tho!

[TheHeretic]

1A-SC - Has a high speed snake after the start finish and the end of the long straight has a sharp corner, hopefully giving chances for out braking.

[Eric Mc]

Wills2 said:

Eric Mc said:

djstevec said:

Eric Mc said:

Sorry, the conversation is now too dumb for words so I'll let you do some research on the subject and perhaps I might re-engage when you post evidence that you know what you are talking about.

I think you'll find my own post provides the answer already.

Then why are you acting as Mr Stupid then?

If you know the answer, why don't you just say it.

I don't know the answer either, is that good enough for you to share?

I would imagine building the thing would be the biggest cost?

Aha - a sensible person at last.

Spa, as a racing circuit, was "built" almost 80 years ago and has had capital expenditure incurred on various changes over its long life. Capital expenditure is never looked on as a simple cost and is instead amortised over the expected useful life of the capital items purchased. Therefore, capital costs are "depreciated" over time and it is these annual depreciation costs which are offset against annual income - not the full capital costs.

The single biggest expense item which is outside the control of any circuit is the fee CVC choses to charge the venue.

So, when Bernie claims that a circuit canot afford to host a race, that is due to decisions HE has made as to how much he is going to charge them for the privilege of hosting that race.
THAT is the reason why we are seeing a shift to countries where the state is prepared to pay CVC's costs.
And why does CVC need to charge so much? Because it was funded by a reckless loan arrangement which they are struggling to satisfy and have been hovering on the verge of bankruptcy gfor a number of years.
The recent anouncement that F1 was being "floated" is an attempt by CVC to escape from the onerous finacial obligations they are struggling to meet.

[anonymous-user]

Eric Mc said:

Wills2 said:

Eric Mc said:

djstevec said:

Eric Mc said:

Sorry, the conversation is now too dumb for words so I'll let you do some research on the subject and perhaps I might re-engage when you post evidence that you know what you are talking about.

I think you'll find my own post provides the answer already.

Then why are you acting as Mr Stupid then?

If you know the answer, why don't you just say it.

I don't know the answer either, is that good enough for you to share?

I would imagine building the thing would be the biggest cost?

Aha - a sensible person at last.

Spa, as a racing circuit, was "built" almost 80 years ago and has had capital expenditure incurred on various changes over its long life. Capital expenditure is never looked on as a simple cost and is instead amortised over the expected useful life of the capital items purchased. Therefore, capital costs are "depreciated" over time and it is these annual depreciation costs which are offset against annual income - not the full capital costs.

The single biggest expense item which is outside the control of any circuit is the fee CVC choses to charge the venue.

So, when Bernie claims that a circuit canot afford to host a race, that is due to decisions HE has made as to how much he is going to charge them for the privilege of hosting that race.
THAT is the reason why we are seeing a shift to countries where the state is prepared to pay CVC's costs.
And why does CVC need to charge so much? Because it was funded by a reckless loan arrangement which they are struggling to satisfy and have been hovering on the verge of bankruptcy gfor a number of years.
The recent anouncement that F1 was being "floated" is an attempt by CVC to escape from the onerous finacial obligations they are struggling to meet.

I'll paraphrase that for you,

"All in all it boils down to BE to reduce race fees,"

[Eric Mc]

That would be nice
Sadly, he's trapped by CVC's desparate need to increase its income. If it doesn't, the whole pack of cards comes crashing down.

[anonymous-user]

Eric Mc said:

That would be nice
Sadly, he's trapped by CVC's desparate need to increase its income. If it doesn't, the whole pack of cards comes crashing down.

And (shocker) I agree with you, BUT if this Spa/Ricard deal keeps Spa on a bi-annual basis over no Spa GP at all, then Im as happy as the situation allows.

[Eric Mc]

It's the best of a bad situation - that's all.

I'd prefer one of the nonentity tracks to be dropped to make way for Paul Ricard.

[anonymous-user]

Eric Mc said:

It's the best of a bad situation - that's all.

I'd prefer one of the nonentity tracks to be dropped to make way for Paul Ricard.

I would prefer it too...Valencia probably isn't going to be around much longer anyway....but Valencia for PR would still mean no Spa at all...that's the whole point.

[JonRB]

Well, at least Bernie isn't going to be constantly moaning about the circuit and dissing the owners since he owns the circuit.
Not that this is a conflict of interest or anything.

[Pistachio]

Panclan said:

Doesn't Bernie own Paul Ricard?

Yes. He also or rather his wife owned all the refreshment licences at Spa as well.
Pretty track mind with all those lines

[Lost soul]

Mark_Karting said:

Bernie Ecclestone has confirmed to L’Équipe that the French Grand Prix will be returning to Formula 1 from 2013 onwards. The race, to be staged at Paul Ricard for the first time since 1990, will be alternating with the Belgian Grand Prix at Spa.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/277769/ecclesto...

What a bummer , Spa is The circuit as far as i am concerned die ecclestone die

[Eric Mc]

Lost soul said:

What a bummer , Spa is The circuit as far as i am concerned die ecclestone die

One can but hope.

[anonymous-user]

"You don't have as much obscure knowledge as me, so I'll call you an idiot."

Another great PH thread turned sour.

- Generic I hate Bernie comment here -

[Lost soul]

MSTRBKR said:

"You don't have as much obscure knowledge as me, so I'll call you an idiot."

Another great PH thread turned sour.

- Generic I hate Bernie comment here -

What the hell are you on about