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FourWheelDrift

61,660 posts

171 months

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Short Paul Ricard circuit onboard 1990 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuyt0C5JhAc

Prost/Senna 1988, same layout - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG-YVa70-JE

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Tuesday 24th April 22:21

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

142 months

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Gaz. said:
Here we are:

Gaz said:
Monaco
Silverstone (current contract expires 2027)
Singapore
Yas Marina (current contract expires 2021)

It is less rosy for everyone else:

Melbourne - contract expires in 2015.
Malaysia - current 2015 contract extended to 2020 to host night races.
Shanghai - contract expires 2017
Bahrain - contract expires 2017 but a hot potato
Catalunya - contract expires 2016, may alternate with Valencia but unlikely to be renewed at all.
Montreal - expires 2014
Valencia - contract expires in 2014, may alternate with Catalunya after 2016 but almost certain to be canned.
Germany - Hockenheim contracted until 2018, N'ring expires this year.
Budapest - contract expires 2016
Spa - expires 2012, was seeking alternation with Nurburgring.
Monza - expires 2016.
Suzuka - expires end of 2012, no new negotiations yet.
Yeongam - seeking renegotiation of it's 2016 contract (current has option to 2021)
New Delhi - expires end of 2012.
Austin - ???
Sao Paulo - current contract expires 2016.

Bernie is going to be a busy bloke for the next few years.
Singapore had quite a convoluted deal and I couldn't find any sources that held a consensus, they seem certain to keep their GP forever and a day as they make a lot of money from it & it is a popular venue with teams, drivers, spectators and audiences.
Hope Suzuka gets back on the menu!

JonRB

44,010 posts

159 months

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We're getting to the point where the teams are already talking about having two entire sets of equipment so one can be in transit whilst the other is being used. If we have any more dates then not only will this happen but the personnel and drivers will get burned out. I really can't see how we can have more than 20 races a year.

djstevec

2,518 posts

61 months

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JonRB said:
We're getting to the point where the teams are already talking about having two entire sets of equipment so one can be in transit whilst the other is being used. If we have any more dates then not only will this happen but the personnel and drivers will get burned out. I really can't see how we can have more than 20 races a year.
So much for gearboxes lasting 5 races or 8 engines per year to reduce costs, if you have to create a shadow team at huge expense just to be able to be ready on time for the next race. Pretty sure the smaller teams just couldnt do it either.

JonRB

44,010 posts

159 months

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mAKES
djstevec said:
So much for gearboxes lasting 5 races or 8 engines per year to reduce costs, if you have to create a shadow team at huge expense just to be able to be ready on time for the next race. Pretty sure the smaller teams just couldnt do it either.
Quite. Makes a mockery of the whole thing.
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robinessex

1,944 posts

68 months

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Wednesday 25th April 2012 quote quote all
I'm not an accountant or business type person, so can someone tell me what CVC actually 'own' re F1. I remember years ago when a group of us marshals were chatting to John Webb, the 'boss' of Brands Hatch, many years ago in the Kentigon, who said that as long as the income from the bi-annual GP payed for the circuits costs on the non GP year, plus a bit of profit, he was happy. This amounted to about few million quid. So if the present GP circuits all run nowadays on this basis, the cost of a GP isn't that great. Unless you've got a finacial leech called CVC in the frame. If we started F1 from new again, the teams supporting themselves from their sponsors income, and the race circuits covered their costs + 25%, then F1 would be 'affordable', wouldn't it? Or have I missed something somewhere?

simonrockman

5,037 posts

142 months

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Valencia -> Paul Ricard -> Monaco isn't too far a journey, most of it is the A8 which tolls aside is easy and quick. You could have three races in three weeks.

Simon

Derek Smith

20,749 posts

135 months

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JonRB said:
We're getting to the point where the teams are already talking about having two entire sets of equipment so one can be in transit whilst the other is being used. If we have any more dates then not only will this happen but the personnel and drivers will get burned out. I really can't see how we can have more than 20 races a year.
I can see that the teams will have to have two different sets of personnel as well. A brilliant economy measure there. Or perhaps replacesments where each team is allowed to bring on a replacement during the season but only up to a limit and then they have to run one ore more light. Perhaps blood replacements would be allowed. How about a sort of KERS system where the crew are allowed to take amphetamines but only at certain times of the day.

The Yanks have lots more, don't they, but they are all within spitting distance of one-another and the guys can go home between races.

I have to say that I was feeling burnt out over the last couple of years. Trying to work so many weekends around the GP proved almost impossible. I liked it best when there were a dozen or so. Each one was an event. I don't reckon it is just because I am approaching my dotage that I often could not remember what race was next. Or come to that what race had just happened.

Isn't there a three-month break in the concord agreement somewhere?

Affalterbach

47 posts

42 months

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You know who owns Paul Ricard circuit don't you? Mr. B Ecclestone. No point in it not earning money is there.

skinny

3,706 posts

122 months

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Wednesday 25th April 2012 quote quote all
i wonder how much he's charging himself to host the race there...?

.Adam.

1,571 posts

150 months

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It's a shame that in the same way Ferrari get extra money from Bernie for being historically important to the sport, some of the historically important GP venues such as Spa don't get a discount from Bernie frown

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

142 months

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.Adam. said:
It's a shame that in the same way Ferrari get extra money from Bernie for being historically important to the sport, some of the historically important GP venues such as Spa don't get a discount from Bernie frown
Do we know there hasn't been?

.Adam.

1,571 posts

150 months

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TheHeretic said:
Do we know there hasn't been?
No, you're correct. Let me re-phrase my post:
As Ferrari get extra money from Bernie for being historically important to the sport, do some of the historically important GP venues such as Spa get a discount?

Mutley

2,637 posts

146 months

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Derek Smith said:
I can see that the teams will have to have two different sets of personnel as well. A brilliant economy measure there. Or perhaps replacesments where each team is allowed to bring on a replacement during the season but only up to a limit and then they have to run one ore more light. Perhaps blood replacements would be allowed. How about a sort of KERS system where the crew are allowed to take amphetamines but only at certain times of the day.

... Isn't there a three-month break in the concord agreement somewhere?
I thought it was a 3 week break mid season, and a ban on "work" after the last race of the year.

As for the 2 squads you mention, the simplest for this would be 2 sets of garage equipment/boardings etc, that while one is being used the other is transported and set up. Then only the race personnel and cars have a few days to get there. Which I believe is what quite a few of the teams have (or had - race and test squads)

as for going back to Le Castellet, nice plan, but if the access to the Aida circuit was not good enough (everyone effectively bussed in up a single track road) why would it be acceptable now? Surely Bernie could swing some payments to the Department and get the roads updated. It would also assist the sportscar races and testing thats held there.

Will1602

49 posts

77 months

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I'm glad Bernie Ecclestone has learnt from the controversy of the Bahrain GP and decided to bring F1 back to a country that is well known for its calm political temperament and not protesting or rioting, France.

vetteheadracer

8,191 posts

140 months

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Paul Ricard is owned by Bernie so the deal to race there was probably very easy!

It is a beautiful circuit but totally unsuitable for hosting a Grand Prix. Nowhere to stay, nowhere to watch, no way to get there as the circuit sits on top of hill on a lovely twisting single carriageway road.

Watch it on TV and you will be fine.

At least the weather should be better than Spa.

JonRB

44,010 posts

159 months

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Panclan said:
Doesn't Bernie own Paul Ricard?
JonRB said:
Well, at least Bernie isn't going to be constantly moaning about the circuit and dissing the owners since he owns the circuit.
Not that this is a conflict of interest or anything.
Affalterbach said:
You know who owns Paul Ricard circuit don't you? Mr. B Ecclestone. No point in it not earning money is there.
vetteheadracer said:
Paul Ricard is owned by Bernie so the deal to race there was probably very easy!
Ok, I think that this nugget of information has been well and truly imparted now. smile

Stophe

2 posts

43 months

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.Adam. said:
No, you're correct. Let me re-phrase my post:
As Ferrari get extra money from Bernie for being historically important to the sport, do some of the historically important GP venues such as Spa get a discount?
I thought they did - I'm fairly sure Silverstone was paying less than the going rate as it was of some sort of historical significance. Either that or BE felt a GP in Britain was a must.

A quick search found this which may or may not be accurate, but makes interesting reading.

carmental

66 posts

38 months

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BOOOOOOOOO!!!!! B.E just wants money! I WANT SPA!!!!!!!!

robmw750

90 posts

83 months

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At the end of the day B.E, is a sad dweeb, he does not like Motor Racing that has to be evident over the Bahrain farce If last year was cancelled - what had changed in a year ....NOTHING.

Would we race in a dump like Sao Paulo yet miss Imola and the San Marino

In the year 2020 there will be 20 motor races all on circuits owned by B.E.

F1 coverage on sky , well that is two real charmers together Murdoch and Ecclestone ......I wonder what the children will turn out like ?
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