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oyster
5,198 posts
117 months
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robmlufc said: Use Psychology said: blocking wasn't good racing when it would get you and the driver behind you killed... That would be driving into someone, not blocking. One can lead to the other, that's the problem. Rosberg may have been legal under the rules, but I think it was crass, amateur and dangerous. It's what my mates have done when karting, I don't expect F1 drivers to do it. Rosberg should have been penalised for dangerous driving. And Hamilton should have been at least reprimanded for continuing the overtake whilst off the track.
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TheHeretic
67,822 posts
124 months
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Can you explain to us, possibly using pictures, etc, of what was dangerous about it, (ignoring the fact that the footage was shortened due to the angle, making it look like shunting was going on, when it was not).
The floor is given to those who think it was dangerous.
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oyster
5,198 posts
117 months
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TheHeretic said: Can you explain to us, possibly using pictures, etc, of what was dangerous about it, (ignoring the fact that the footage was shortened due to the angle, making it look like shunting was going on, when it was not).
The floor is given to those who think it was dangerous. For me it was the speed with which Rosberg went across a very wide track. Ironically, the speed with which he veered to the right also saved him from the stewards as it didn't allow Hamilton time to get any wheels alongside. Call me old fashioned, but the behaviour of Rosberg, Hamilton and to some degree Alonso yesterday was un-gentlemanly.
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chris_w
2,505 posts
128 months
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Sway said: Not quite sure why we feel that the leading driver must be able to purposefully change their line to defend. That's the very essence of racing though isn't it? I race cars that have a considerable straight line advantage over mine so frequently have to defend by blocking and forcing them to overtake on the outside, if they can. We should also consider the width of the track, it's far beyond anything we are used to in the UK I would imagine, and this alone accentuates the severity of the block required to defend. The same move at Cadwell wouldn't even get a mention (ok, that's an extreme example...). Apologies if I missed it but is there any in car from Hamilton available?
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Presuming Ed
848 posts
77 months
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Whats the difference between Rosberg pushing both ALonso and Hamilton off and what Schumacher did to Barrichello? Schumacher even gave Barrichello room.
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TheHeretic
67,822 posts
124 months
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Presuming Ed said: Whats the difference between Rosberg pushing both ALonso and Hamilton off and what Schumacher did to Barrichello? Schumacher even gave Barrichello room. <sigh> Because Alonso and Hamilton were not at the side of Rosberg, they were behind.
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rubystone
7,044 posts
128 months
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TheHeretic said: Presuming Ed said: Whats the difference between Rosberg pushing both ALonso and Hamilton off and what Schumacher did to Barrichello? Schumacher even gave Barrichello room. <sigh> Because Alonso and Hamilton were not at the side of Rosberg, they were behind. 
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Presuming Ed
848 posts
77 months
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But neither was Barrichelo and he had plenty of opportunity to blend of the throttle. It looked exactly the same just a differnet circuit. so whats your point?
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TheHeretic
67,822 posts
124 months
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Presuming Ed said: But neither was Barrichelo and he had plenty of opportunity to blend of the throttle. It looked exactly the same just a differnet circuit. so whats your point? The point is that Rosberg was heading for that part of the track whilst the other car was behind him, in a steady controlled way, with no jerking, etc. The other car remained behind him. There was also no wall. However, you want to compare to the Schuey barrichello incident. Well, watch the vid again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo971KDXsbIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQLcoASK9ewIt certainly looks to me like Barrichello had at least his front wheels alongside the rear of Schuey's car at the time. PS, The Schuey Barrichello incident is entirely different, and I for one have not said anything about that incident. That incident is in no way anything to do with this incident.
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AreOut
327 posts
30 months
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TheHeretic said: It certainly looks to me like Barrichello had at least his front wheels alongside the rear of Schuey's car at the time. yupp he had, but somehow it's so hard for people to understand the difference, again now if it was an average youtube commentator then I could get on with it, but PHers? Come on
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Get Karter
1,644 posts
70 months
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I am indifferent as to whether Alonso, Hamilton or Rosberg outscore each other in the F1 championship.
As such I would consider myself a neutral on this incident.
My take:
I was surprised at Rosberg's exaggerated swerve on both occasions and am disappointed that he was not penalised for blocking dangerously.
Both Hamilton and Alonso were carrying more speed and had just committed to overtaking on the right when he swerved into their paths.
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TheHeretic
67,822 posts
124 months
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Look at the video, please. Hamilton was directly behind Rosberg at the time. At NO point did Rosberg swerve into his path, jerk across, or a thing else. He went from point a to point b, and Hamilton followed him, directly behind. Hamilton then decided to take to the outside of the circuit.
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Use Psychology
9,776 posts
61 months
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but hamilton was alongside rosberg at the point where there was a car's width between rosberg and the edge of the track - and he kept moving... which means he crowded a car from beyond the edge of the track.
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TheHeretic
67,822 posts
124 months
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Use Psychology said: but hamilton was alongside rosberg at the point where there was a car's width between rosberg and the edge of the track - and he kept moving... which means he crowded a car from beyond the edge of the track. Can you show me a picture, screen grab, etc of this? Seemingly you have sources that the stewards do not.
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Use Psychology
9,776 posts
61 months
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TheHeretic
67,822 posts
124 months
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Use Psychology said: Nope. Not alongside. Following, and takes to the dirt to overtake.
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AreOut
327 posts
30 months
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alongside? You must have eagle vision to be sure about it from that distance.
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robmlufc
2,668 posts
55 months
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oyster said: One can lead to the other, that's the problem.
Rosberg may have been legal under the rules, but I think it was crass, amateur and dangerous. It's what my mates have done when karting, I don't expect F1 drivers to do it.
Rosberg should have been penalised for dangerous driving. And Hamilton should have been at least reprimanded for continuing the overtake whilst off the track. Motorsport is dangerous, it says so on the tickets. What do you expect F1 drivers to do? Stick to the racing line and let people cruise past them?
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Sway
2,396 posts
63 months
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robmlufc said: Motorsport is dangerous, it says so on the tickets.
What do you expect F1 drivers to do? Stick to the racing line and let people cruise past them? If they are slower, they are slower... Otherwise what do you expect them to do, weave all over the place?  I was always under the impression the fastest car and driver should win. Not the one with the biggest mirrors.
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Bedazzled
4,021 posts
90 months
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TheHeretic said: Use Psychology said: Nope. Not alongside. Following, and takes to the dirt to overtake.  That looks like an overlap to me. Personally I think the stewards made the right decision, but for the wrong reasons. Rosberg defended hard, Lewis was squeezed so entitled to keep his foot in, no problem, let them get on with racing.
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