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davepoth
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68 months
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Scuffers
10,417 posts
143 months
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FloppyRaccoon said: there was more than a 1 second gap when he came back out. I'm sure if Lewis was able to push any harder at the time, he would have done just that. not to Vettel there wasn't, 1 sec would have comfortably put Lewis infront.
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Gwagon111
3,379 posts
30 months
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I'm sure lewis was pushing as hard as he could on the tyres he had left on his in lap. From what I can gather, once these tyres have had it, they are not pleasant to drive on a Tilke type track, let alone a scary Mary track like Monaco.
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MGJohn
6,657 posts
52 months
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davepoth said: Not interested in the stuff Benson puts out. A. Benson said: .
I am BBC Sport's chief F1 writer.
. Touch of the BIG I AM about his writings.
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Gwagon111
3,379 posts
30 months
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I can see Lewis signing a one year extension deal at Mclaren. I reckon He'll make it crystal clear that if he doesn't get a potential championship winning car in that year he will be off (probably to whichever of the top teams is enjoying the most success at the time).
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vonuber
3,899 posts
34 months
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Gwagon111 said: I can see Lewis signing a one year extension deal at Mclaren. I reckon He'll make it crystal clear that if he doesn't get a potential championship winning car in that year he will be off (probably to whichever of the top teams is enjoying the most success at the time). He is in one at the moment, and was in one last year, and 2007.
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Scuffers
10,417 posts
143 months
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vonuber said: Gwagon111 said: I can see Lewis signing a one year extension deal at Mclaren. I reckon He'll make it crystal clear that if he doesn't get a potential championship winning car in that year he will be off (probably to whichever of the top teams is enjoying the most success at the time). He is in one at the moment, and was in one last year, and 2007. 2007 I'll give you, but last year it took them most of the year to get it competitive, by which time it was all over (bar Fat Ladies)
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heebeegeetee
19,534 posts
117 months
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It seems to me that the only direction the McL drivers move in during a race is backwards, due to slow pit stops or lack of info or a general lack of wheels or fuel.
It might be impossible to overtake at Monaco but by gum McL can still shuffle their drivers backwards through the pack due to total ineptitude.
If I was a competitive F1 driver I'd want a lot of money to drive for McL, to make up for the lack of success I was going to experience.
Lewis should man up and ship out.
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m0rris
75 posts
19 months
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McLaren have made Lewis and he'll have so many connections throughout the team that I wonder how he would deal with a totally new environment. However, if I was Lewis I'd insist on there being alot of changes throughout the team before I signed anything.
McLaren are too close to the top and too far from being the top dogs for anything drastic to happen ATM. They need to sort out their race strategy, r&d (since the cars are never consistently competitive) and pit stops. As long as those remain in their current state they'll be up the creek and the screw-ups that we have seen so far have probably cos Lewis the championship in this close season.
As for the title question... is lewis worth double? No, but is he worth more? Yes, he is coming into his prime (unlike Jenson) and has many years ahead of him and importantly for McLaren a very high profile. He is one of the most famous sportsmen in the world and that'll help attract big sponsors.
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FloppyRaccoon
1,916 posts
35 months
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Scuffers said: FloppyRaccoon said: there was more than a 1 second gap when he came back out. I'm sure if Lewis was able to push any harder at the time, he would have done just that. not to Vettel there wasn't, 1 sec would have comfortably put Lewis infront. To Alonso. After talking about the (nearly) 1 second gap in the pits.
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Use Psychology
9,797 posts
61 months
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the mclaren is fast this year but needs clear air at the front to show it (much easier on the tyres) and the pit stops,penaltiesetc. etc. have prevented them from having this. When (but we've all been saying this for a while now...) they get a clean weekend they should dominate again.
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Scuffers
10,417 posts
143 months
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I think McLarens problem is that they over-think stuff, which makes them incapable of reading a situation on the track and reacting to it in time and correctly.
if you think back to Ferrari when Brawn was on the perch, he was the man that made the decisions (not saying there were not others feeding him info, but he was the one that put it together).
McLaren seem to have too many people trying to second guess this stuff and almost without fail, they screw it up.
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Lost soul
5,246 posts
51 months
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disco1 said: Button on the other hand doesn't have time on his side, not as quick/swashbuckling and not as marketable. Seems pretty fair to me. Button not as marketable , are you joking
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TimJMS
2,045 posts
120 months
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shunaphil
254 posts
12 months
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Hamilton is definitely worth more to Mclaren as a COMPANY than Jenson is (from a marketing point of view) - hence the higher salary.
I think Lewis will give Mclarena couple more years to see if they can get him another WDC , and if not he will be off to another team, if there is a better car.
I can easily see him get fed up with the restrictions of F1 driving though, and do a few years for megabucks in NASCAR (which i think he would be good at and really enjoy BTW) to maximise his stateside exposure.
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stephen300o
12,658 posts
97 months
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Scuffers said: vonuber said: Gwagon111 said: I can see Lewis signing a one year extension deal at Mclaren. I reckon He'll make it crystal clear that if he doesn't get a potential championship winning car in that year he will be off (probably to whichever of the top teams is enjoying the most success at the time). He is in one at the moment, and was in one last year, and 2007. 2007 I'll give you, but last year it took them most of the year to get it competitive, by which time it was all over (bar Fat Ladies) Jenson did ok in it..
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MGJohn
6,657 posts
52 months
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I would like to see Hamilton move to another team if only because it could give a better yardstick to just how good he is.
Unlike his older team mate, Hamilton has had top class kit and team since day one for him in F1. Because of the way it is with him, or, has been, I feel he has underachieved at McLaren. It's all too easy to blame the car or the team and they play a part but, his driver errors and bad judgement cost him and the team dearly. For this observer, these have been frustratingly numerous over his years with Mclaren with the exception of this season ... so far. Fingers x-ed that this trend continues for the rest of the season and thereafter.
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998420
213 posts
20 months
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MGJohn said: I would like to see Hamilton move to another team if only because it could give a better yardstick to just how good he is.
Unlike his older team mate, Hamilton has had top class kit and team since day one for him in F1. Because of the way it is with him, or, has been, I feel he has underachieved at McLaren. It's all too easy to blame the car or the team and they play a part but, his driver errors and bad judgement cost him and the team dearly. For this observer, these have been frustratingly numerous over his years with Mclaren with the exception of this season ... so far. Fingers x-ed that this trend continues for the rest of the season and thereafter. "I would like to see Hamilton move to another team if only because it could give a better yardstick to just how good he is" Beating Alonso in his rookie year, despite all the pressure and cheating is somehow not enough to put his talent into focus ? The Red Bull of 2010 and 2011 was so dominant, especially in Quali and the early laps of the race, that Lewis had to really try everything to have any chance of keeping in touch. The McLaren too suffered from being very poor in the beginning of the season. Ferrari using their second driver as a roadblock and battering ram, the FIA doing everything they can to hamper him and aid his rivals, penalising Lewis for overtaking [Spa] ignoring Ferrari's with bits swinging in the wind [Kimi, claimed a WDC with points won by a car that should have been Black Flagged] Ever since he passed alonso into the first corner of Adelaide people have been trying to run him down or pressure him unfairly.. It is not just a Race or Nation thing, most are just scared by his talent.
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MGJohn
6,657 posts
52 months
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998420 said: MGJohn said: I would like to see Hamilton move to another team if only because it could give a better yardstick to just how good he is.
Unlike his older team mate, Hamilton has had top class kit and team since day one for him in F1. Because of the way it is with him, or, has been, I feel he has underachieved at McLaren. It's all too easy to blame the car or the team and they play a part but, his driver errors and bad judgement cost him and the team dearly. For this observer, these have been frustratingly numerous over his years with Mclaren with the exception of this season ... so far. Fingers x-ed that this trend continues for the rest of the season and thereafter. "I would like to see Hamilton move to another team if only because it could give a better yardstick to just how good he is" Beating Alonso in his rookie year, despite all the pressure and cheating is somehow not enough to put his talent into focus ? The Red Bull of 2010 and 2011 was so dominant, especially in Quali and the early laps of the race, that Lewis had to really try everything to have any chance of keeping in touch. The McLaren too suffered from being very poor in the beginning of the season. Ferrari using their second driver as a roadblock and battering ram, the FIA doing everything they can to hamper him and aid his rivals, penalising Lewis for overtaking [Spa] ignoring Ferrari's with bits swinging in the wind [Kimi, claimed a WDC with points won by a car that should have been Black Flagged] Ever since he passed alonso into the first corner of Adelaide people have been trying to run him down or pressure him unfairly.. It is not just a Race or Nation thing, most are just scared by his talent. Yes and despite all that, it would still provide a better yardstick. Scared by his talent? I see no evidence of anyone, certainly not Vettel, Button and a few others exactly quaking in their boots ..  ...
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Scuffers
10,417 posts
143 months
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MGJohn said: Yes and despite all that, it would still provide a better yardstick. Scared by his talent? I see no evidence of anyone, certainly not Vettel, Button and a few others exactly quaking in their boots .. ... I can... No way will vettel be happy to see lewis in the other redbull, or Alonso likeing him in the other Ferrari.
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