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PW
1,758 posts
108 months
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rallycross said: I'm not sure any of them are worth that much if Maldonado can win a grand prix yet he has to bring $20m dollars of money to get the seat. Having Hamilton in the team probably gets McLaren a lot more than $20million from sponsors...
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Fire99
8,089 posts
98 months
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Without getting too technical about it, I'd say Hamilton has the potential to be worth that much. Certainly his first couple of years in F1 would indicate some real brilliance and he does keep giving little glimmers of just how good he is.
However, he's not had the best of results in recent times and I guess it depends if the clever F1 bods think they can get him back on top again. (I do hope so, he's still one of the best drivers to watch)
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suffolk009
723 posts
34 months
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I have to agree with the majority of posters here. As a driver - probably not. As part of the deal for sponsors - almost certainly.
Didn't Button sign up with McLaren for life? So he can go sportscar racing etc when he reaches the stage in his career that Michael Schumacher is now at. I'd go see him race at LeMans.
Is LH tied in for 5 years? A team can become very uncompetitive in that time.
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Life Saab Itch
34,063 posts
57 months
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I think the question is worded wrong.
Had you put it as; "is Button only worth half what Hamilton gets?" Then the answer would be that Button is "under paid/under valued".
Personally I think it's extortionate.
I think that Lewis would thrive anywhere on the kind of deal that Piquet had when he was at Lotus and Bennetton. Payment per point with a very low retainer.
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dom180
1,180 posts
133 months
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The question (for me) isn't that Hamilton is worth twice as much as Jenson, more why didn't Jenson get himself a better deal/contract/manager when the timing was right last year... I'd be pretty miffed if I were in Jenson's shoes - he just seemed to accept an incremental increase after his best season.... Alonso is paid way more as the highest paid driver.
Is Lewis' manager worth twice that of Jenson's...
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stephen300o
12,641 posts
97 months
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Most of Mclaren's sponsor marketing I see has Lewis's face on it.
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Nick1point9
3,425 posts
49 months
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stephen300o said: Most of Mclaren's sponsor marketing I see has Lewis's face on it. That's the way you have to look at it: As a complete package I think he is worth more than JB, as a driver, I don't think he is. I don't think anyone has mentioned yet that Button is number 1 driver this year, and yet Lewis is being offered more money. Clearly, Mclaren see Lewis as an asset, not just a driver.
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TheHeretic
68,002 posts
124 months
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I don't think there is a 'number 1' in the team.
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Nick1point9
3,425 posts
49 months
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TheHeretic said: I don't think there is a 'number 1' in the team. well despite being newer to the team and less of a part of the brand than LH, JB drives car number 3, that's a pretty strong statement.
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TheHeretic
68,002 posts
124 months
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Nick1point9 said: well despite being newer to the team and less of a part of the brand than LH, JB drives car number 3, that's a pretty strong statement. He is number 3 because he was ahead in the points last year, ahead of his teammate, not due to any 'number 1' notion.
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belleair302
4,447 posts
76 months
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Lewis may have more 'facetime' with Santander UK on TV but go abroad and in Asia JB is the bigger face due to his girlfriend. In Japan, Korea and China, Jenson has the bigger profile and also from Boss in Germany and the USA. The volume of F1 advertising has shrunk as 'partners' reduce their spend and times are hard out there.
Don't see Lewis going elsewhere, Jenson is happy at McLaren and what most people forget is Jenson's manager is investing wisely in his clients future where XIX are fighting their way out of a paper bag. Richard Goddard is a pretty smart cookie and made his money before entering F1 as a manager.
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scubadude
956 posts
66 months
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A drivers team salary is only a percentage of what they earn in sponsorship etc.
IIRC When Shuey signed his £99mil for 3yr deal at Ferrari it was said he'd make more than twice than for himself and them in sponsorship.
On the flip side the salary might come with different clauses, maybe Hammy gets £20mil/yr but can't leave whereas Button gets £10mil but can walk whenerv he likes cost free, I doubt the salary reflects there "value" to Mclaren in any way at all.
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TheHeretic
68,002 posts
124 months
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belleair302 said: Lewis may have more 'facetime' with Santander UK on TV but go abroad and in Asia JB is the bigger face due to his girlfriend. In Japan, Korea and China, Jenson has the bigger profile and also from Boss in Germany and the USA. The volume of F1 advertising has shrunk as 'partners' reduce their spend and times are hard out there.
Don't see Lewis going elsewhere, Jenson is happy at McLaren and what most people forget is Jenson's manager is investing wisely in his clients future where XIX are fighting their way out of a paper bag. Richard Goddard is a pretty smart cookie and made his money before entering F1 as a manager. 
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dom180
1,180 posts
133 months
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belleair302 said: Lewis may have more 'facetime' with Santander UK on TV but go abroad and in Asia JB is the bigger face due to his girlfriend. In Japan, Korea and China, Jenson has the bigger profile and also from Boss in Germany and the USA. The volume of F1 advertising has shrunk as 'partners' reduce their spend and times are hard out there.
Don't see Lewis going elsewhere, Jenson is happy at McLaren and what most people forget is Jenson's manager is investing wisely in his clients future where XIX are fighting their way out of a paper bag. Richard Goddard is a pretty smart cookie and made his money before entering F1 as a manager. Maybe but the numbers score it: if Lewis gets twice Jenson's contract per year I'd say Jenson's manager let him a little. But if Jenson didn't have high expectations regarding his retainer, then that's all well and good. Certainly enough to pay the bills.
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Vocal Minority
2,103 posts
21 months
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If we're talking marketing, Hamilton has the longevity on his side.
I would also say he is currently more marketable state side.
I would on the other hand say Button is more marketable in the UK. OK Lewis has his very zealous disciples, but on a wider basis, I think Button's down home 'boy next door' charm has him as the media darling in the UK at least (for now).
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btcc123
92 posts
16 months
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Drivers salaries depend on how good they are,if the team wants them and their negotiation skills.
In 1994 Damon Hill was paid £300,000 for the full season.Nigel Mansell did four races that season and got paid £900,000 per race.
Damon said he was not really bothered about the money side just happy to be in the car.
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TheHeretic
68,002 posts
124 months
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btcc123 said: Drivers salaries depend on how good they are,if the team wants them and their negotiation skills.
In 1994 Damon Hill was paid £300,000 for the full season.Nigel Mansell did four races that season and got paid £900,000 per race.
Damon said he was not really bothered about the money side just happy to be in the car. A little more to it than that, I'm afraid. Marketability, commercial use, and PR are huge concerns.
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MissChief
1,096 posts
37 months
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Some if it is down to McLaren not wanting him in another car against them.
Also, who would they get to replace him? I can't see anyone that's currently available being on par with him. Britney (Rosberg for those unaware) wouldn't leave Mercedes. Vettel and Alonso (which worked so well last time) are on long term deals and ic an't see Vettel leaving RB while Adrian Newey works there.
Where would Lewis go? The Whinging Spaniard would stop any move to Ferrari straight away, even though their relationship appears to have improved. Besides, Fernando is the clear no 1 and Ferrari would want a No. 2. Red Bull? He's no doubt seen how they favour Vettel. Does he think he could match and beat him? Maybe, but RB are likely to promote from within. Williams? Not likely. Mercedes? A possibility, but Mercedes will probably go for Di Resta when M Schu retires. Any other team would be seen as a step down.
Mclaren are (rightly) regarded as the team that can improve a car over the season. Even if they produce a dog of a car, as they did in 2009 they made it into a race winner by seasons end. I think Lewis will stay. Is he worth double? No. Is he worth more? Yes. Jenson's car needs to be perfect for him to drive well. When it is, he flies, as seen at Canada last year and in Melbourne this year. When it's not, he struggles to go well. Hamilton seems to be able to take any car by the scruff of the neck and drive it fast. That's why he's in demand and that's why he's worth so much.
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DKL
1,836 posts
91 months
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Sunday Times sports rich list had JB and LH on 10m each for their retainer. No idea how accurate this is but sort of makes sense. What they make in endorsements I have no idea. I mean 10m not exaclty alot to live on is it...
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Use Psychology
9,797 posts
61 months
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isn't more a question of what the other teams are prepared to pay for LH than how much better/valuable then Button he is?
you'd have to say that so far this season he's certainly worth some kind of premium
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