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marshal_alan

253 posts

47 months

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Tuesday 26th June 2012 quote quote all
I was slightly less than charming to the circuit manager when she evicted us, "build a f'king bothy for the marshals and some f'king showers too".

wouldnt happen at knockhill for sure, one year that was a washout we had marshals sleeping in the bothy, kinnairds, clubhouse cafe and some of the truckies that were in hotels let the guys sleep in their wagons

btw amd, carl bradley was in the scroot bay friday night working on his car

emicen

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5,693 posts

87 months

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marshal_alan said:
I was slightly less than charming to the circuit manager when she evicted us, "build a f'king bothy for the marshals and some f'king showers too".

wouldnt happen at knockhill for sure, one year that was a washout we had marshals sleeping in the bothy, kinnairds, clubhouse cafe and some of the truckies that were in hotels let the guys sleep in their wagons

btw amd, carl bradley was in the scroot bay friday night working on his car
Tim was in the bay till after 1am on Sunday morning when he decided at roughly 9pm on Saturday he was swapping his and Mikey's suspension to do a back to back comparison of old leda vs new leda. Had his own corner weight scales right enough.

MonkeyHanger

8,431 posts

111 months

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A few "fashionably late" photos.






















emicen

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5,693 posts

87 months

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MonkeyHanger said:
A few "fashionably late" photos.



Quality and dear god yes, respectively.

Any of Mini #4?

BenniiP

187 posts

17 months

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High quality shots, good effort!
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jfxr242

11 posts

65 months

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well done Andy Neate, first weekend without any car problems

EDLT

14,583 posts

75 months

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Wednesday 27th June 2012 quote quote all
marshal_alan said:
I was slightly less than charming to the circuit manager when she evicted us, "build a f'king bothy for the marshals and some f'king showers too".

wouldnt happen at knockhill for sure, one year that was a washout we had marshals sleeping in the bothy, kinnairds, clubhouse cafe and some of the truckies that were in hotels let the guys sleep in their wagons

btw amd, carl bradley was in the scroot bay friday night working on his car
Maybe she didn't know what a bothy was, I had to google it.

coppice

620 posts

13 months

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It's a race circuit not a B and B or a campsite. I'm a Croft regular and know the circuit staff well- a very good bunch of people. What I really don't get is why marshals- or anybody else - thinks it's for a circuit to accomodate them .I marshalled for years when I was younger and can't say I ever expected circuits to do anything more than let me in free and then wave some flags etc.

emicen

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5,693 posts

87 months

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coppice said:
It's a race circuit not a B and B or a campsite. I'm a Croft regular and know the circuit staff well- a very good bunch of people. What I really don't get is why marshals- or anybody else - thinks it's for a circuit to accomodate them .I marshalled for years when I was younger and can't say I ever expected circuits to do anything more than let me in free and then wave some flags etc.
What about the people who paid?

Marshals and competitors were camping in there for free but they were selling weekend camping tickets iirc?

I'm asking too much as a competitor to be able to wash my hands after a turd or doing a gearbox change?

What if I've brought my kids along and one of them needs to pee, too much to ask to be able to wash their hands afterwards?

You dont expect portaloos to be clean all weekend, thats unrealistic, but on Thursday night when everyone was just arriving and setting up, there was already absolutely no water in any of the toilets in the paddock to simply wash your hands. Unless you're in the 3rd world (or France), you dont expect such things.

Mark Benson

2,541 posts

138 months

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coppice said:
It's a race circuit not a B and B or a campsite. I'm a Croft regular and know the circuit staff well- a very good bunch of people. What I really don't get is why marshals- or anybody else - thinks it's for a circuit to accomodate them .I marshalled for years when I was younger and can't say I ever expected circuits to do anything more than let me in free and then wave some flags etc.
From the point of view of a regular competitor at Croft, I'd quite like it if there were sufficient marshals to be able to run the meetings I compete in (the non-glamourous ones). If that means giving them somewhere dry to camp and cook (considering the scrut. bay is empty when they need shelter I don't see the harm in letting them hide out there for instance) then fine with me.
I don't think Croft is managed particularly well, even given the relative lack of funds, I think there's an apathy shown from the top down that other circuits just don't have (and I'm not just talking about the Palmer ones, Mallory, Combe and even Pembrey have far more enthusiastic and 'can-do' approaches to the business of putting on races). I could rant here, but I won't, suffice to say the attitude shown to the chap above is not uncommon and drives people away from Croft when it needs all the support it can get.

bigbadbikercats

507 posts

77 months

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Wednesday 27th June 2012 quote quote all
coppice said:
It's a race circuit not a B and B or a campsite. I'm a Croft regular and know the circuit staff well- a very good bunch of people. What I really don't get is why marshals- or anybody else - thinks it's for a circuit to accomodate them .I marshalled for years when I was younger and can't say I ever expected circuits to do anything more than let me in free and then wave some flags etc.
If you have a business model which is utterly reliant on volunteer labour it's a really, really, really bad idea to make your volunteers unhappy. Basic sanitary provision and a bit of flexibility in the face of unfriendly weather (e.g. allowing people to use structures like the scruting bay as additional shelter during a downpour) really doesn't seem like a lot to ask.

As a competitor (10 years or so of racing 'bikes at club level) I was always very, very aware of how dependent I was on volunteer marshalls and other officials and duly grateful[1]. I expect circuit owners/managers to do the same and I'm bloody livid at the idea they might be taking Marshall's etc for granted.

Bear in mind that we're dealing with a limited pool of people spending their own money and leisure time, who may find themselves with a choice between being treated like crap in a desolate corner of Scotland or being relatively comfortable at Brands Hatch on a given weekend...


[1] Especially on the occasion I head-butted the tyres at Lydden's Paddock bend hard enough to rip the headstock of my 'bike...

kimducati

120 posts

33 months

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Mark Benson said:
From the point of view of a regular competitor at Croft, I'd quite like it if there were sufficient marshals to be able to run the meetings I compete in (the non-glamourous ones). If that means giving them somewhere dry to camp and cook (considering the scrut. bay is empty when they need shelter I don't see the harm in letting them hide out there for instance) then fine with me.
I don't think Croft is managed particularly well, even given the relative lack of funds, I think there's an apathy shown from the top down that other circuits just don't have (and I'm not just talking about the Palmer ones, Mallory, Combe and even Pembrey have far more enthusiastic and 'can-do' approaches to the business of putting on races). I could rant here, but I won't, suffice to say the attitude shown to the chap above is not uncommon and drives people away from Croft when it needs all the support it can get.
I think that the subtext to this post hits the nail on the head - Croft have taken a kicking from the courts, from an action brought by a vindictive ex realative of a circuit official and they're now taking a kicking in the wallet.
The business model now cant work, given the location of the circuit (too far from major population centres for trackdays) and lack of noisy days (for race meetings / testing).
Managements heads are down because they know that as soon as BARC find a sensible alternative, Croft WILL be sold off for development.
I've been to Croft as a competitor and the footsoldiers there are second to none for helpfulness, but I for one wouldn't like to be trying to make Croft work as a business, so may explain the apparent apathy?
This is not to say that basic sanitation and water supply shouldn't be available to visiting marshals / competitors / public - we cant all pop off home at the end of the day for a sh*t and a shower!!smile

Kim

ETA Note to Wookie - looking at photo 4 above (looks like entry to Clerveaux) your pit crew may want to hold the airline closer to the tyre valve??
Oh, and say hello to Shaun from Dan and Kim Taylor (ex VW Cup, back in the day).

Edited by kimducati on Wednesday 27th June 12:21

coppice

620 posts

13 months

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I very much doubt if planning would be granted for anything substantial on the Croft site- definitely not residential and this area is hardly short of light industrial estates already. Ironically Croft is not far from major population areas- Newcastle, Leeds and Teesside are all a relatively short drive away but there IS certainly the perception in a lot of the motorsport community that it is in the middle of nowhere rather than a few minutes off the A1. Compared to Cadwell or Snetterton it seems to me to be well located but , whatever the reasons are , I agree that the circuit is struggling. I find its promotion very feeble and it hardly features in most Yorkshire media at all. The enthusiasm of the people who work there is laudable but I do have the sneaking suspicion that MSV would make a much better job of it than BARC . I have been very impressed by how much Cadwell and Oulton have been improved from the spectator's perspective since Dr Palmer took over.

Graham

14,186 posts

153 months

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IIRC Croft is managed by BARC who are based at thruxton and also manage mallory.

The old croft management were great, never been that impressed with the changes at Mallory they just seemed to put the prices up, although they have done a long overdue resurfacing..


I love racing at Croft, unfortunetly most people seem to think anything further north than Snetterton is to far to go !!!

coupled with the fact its barc operated and we run with brscc means we dont go :-(

Victoria VW

281 posts

11 months

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Weirdly I just got an email from Croft:

Croft Circuit has paid tribute to its officials, volunteers and the public for helping its big Dunlop British Touring Car Championship race weekend (23/24 June) run so smoothly – despite poor weather in the run-up to the event.

The BTCC’s annual visit marks the biggest motor sport event of the year in the North East and inevitably attracts large crowds. In turn this places huge demands on staff at the venue, just outside Darlington.

“Given our team on the ground is only about a third of those at some of the bigger venues – yet we still have to manage similar volumes of people – we did a superb job at the weekend so well done and a big ‘thank you’ to all concerned,” commented Croft Circuit Manager Tracey Morley.

“In all there’s about 15 of us – some volunteers – all keeping our eyes and ears peeled and on standby in case we need to react to situations behind the scenes. Parking and traffic management is always a major priority, particularly when the weather turns nasty which it did in the run-up to the weekend. Other events across the country had to be cancelled because this affected car parks but our preparations – plus the understanding of the public – enabled us to keep a smooth flow of traffic going.

“We are also very grateful to the marshals from the Darlington & District Motor Club, Scottish Motorsport Marshals Club and British Automobile Racing Club who put in three long and very dedicated days trackside. They were certainly kept busy by the touring cars as well as some of the supporting categories!

“On reflection we got through the whole weekend well. In fact we even had a couple hold their wedding reception in one of the spectator viewing areas! The main objective is that the circuit can accommodate the public and that they can enjoy it.”

IainW

1,229 posts

44 months

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coppice said:
I have been very impressed by how much Cadwell and Oulton have been improved from the spectator's perspective since Dr Palmer took over.
Same here. It's all about the presentation for him and that makes a big difference to the spectator. New fences, grass areas returfed, shiny red litter bins, new signage. Brands really needed a good makeover after Octogon had finished with it. I've done all the ten circuits that have featured on the BTCC calendar since the late early 2000s and the worst are the two BARC circuits (Thruxton and Croft) and Donington. Contrast those to Silverstone, the MSV tracks, Knockhill, Rockingham and Mondello Park. All of those places have had some money spent on them and it shows.

Mark Benson

2,541 posts

138 months

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coppice said:
I very much doubt if planning would be granted for anything substantial on the Croft site- definitely not residential and this area is hardly short of light industrial estates already.

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I do have the sneaking suspicion that MSV would make a much better job of it than BARC . I have been very impressed by how much Cadwell and Oulton have been improved from the spectator's perspective since Dr Palmer took over.
It wouldn't cost the earth to hire a small marquee for the event for the marshals to shelter in though would it? Somewhere for those camping to meet and have a barbie and a beer in the evening, doesn't matter so much what the weather throws at them then.

On your second point, I wholeheartedly agree.

kimducati

120 posts

33 months

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Mark Benson said:
coppice said:
I very much doubt if planning would be granted for anything substantial on the Croft site- definitely not residential and this area is hardly short of light industrial estates already.

...

I do have the sneaking suspicion that MSV would make a much better job of it than BARC . I have been very impressed by how much Cadwell and Oulton have been improved from the spectator's perspective since Dr Palmer took over.
It wouldn't cost the earth to hire a small marquee for the event for the marshals to shelter in though would it? Somewhere for those camping to meet and have a barbie and a beer in the evening, doesn't matter so much what the weather throws at them then.

On your second point, I wholeheartedly agree.
The reference to planning was a response to my assertion that Croft would eventually be re-developed, nothing to do with lack of shelter last weekend.
I doubt that MSV could be persuaded to run the track under the current restrictive planning consent.

Kim

MonkeyHanger

8,431 posts

111 months

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emicen said:
Quality and dear god yes, respectively.

Any of Mini #4?
I think I have one similar to the shot I posted. I'll stick it up later.

As for the conditions at Croft things have deteriorated since BARC got involved. Until recently, the few of us who actually paid to see the club meetings were greeted with a smile and pointed towards the parking area near the back of the grandstand. These days we get herded into a field full of sheep st by "security". If you want decent parking you have to join the supporters club. Apparently handing over your cash on a regular basis is not enough for BARC.

I used to go to almost every car meeting at Croft. This year I've been twice. I'd rather make the 300 mile round trip to Oulton Park.

Mark Benson

2,541 posts

138 months

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kimducati said:
The reference to planning was a response to my assertion that Croft would eventually be re-developed, nothing to do with lack of shelter last weekend.
I doubt that MSV could be persuaded to run the track under the current restrictive planning consent.

Kim
Ah, got you. Totally agree (I live 5 miles down the road, there's no way Croft would get permission for anything a developer would be interested in, probably the only reason it's still operating). Perhaps if the current management would do more to make a success of what they've got, restrictions and all, the local feeling towards the place might soften a bit - they do still have BTCC and Superbikes, after all (but for how much longer?).
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