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Tankman2
12 posts
13 months
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Dare anyone post a photoshop picture of Bernie without the Syrup?
Actually, I am sure it is all his own hair and I didn't mean anything by the above comment.
All comments are meant in a light hearted and fun loving manner. Nothing contained herein is meant as a slight on the reputation or integrity of any persons previously mentioned or related to this article.
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BSC
315 posts
151 months
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toppstuff said: This is a pretty big deal. Big corporates have seriously powerful internal compliance departments these days. If you have ever worked for a company with a powerful compliance department, then you will know how they operate ! If the big corporates decide that it would be too uncomfortable to be associated with F1 in the event that the bribery trial drags on for months and months, then Bernie will end up having to leave. Simple. Without the backing of the corporates, he is toast. He must be tired by now for gods sake. He should step down and let that paragon of noble thinking , Jean Todt, take over.  This! Mercedes compliance dept. is looking after each and all importers, dealers and licencees and they have to look at BE as they dealt with him and still do in F1. If there is something wrong then Mercedes HAVE to act as otherwise Mr Zetsche will go to jail.
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Derek Smith
16,015 posts
117 months
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toppstuff said: BSC said: Exactly. Today radio news in Germany reported that Mercedes is considering to pull out of F1 due to these things. Mercedes don't want to be part of it. ETA article in well respected business newspaper Handelsblatt. This is a pretty big deal. Big corporates have seriously powerful internal compliance departments these days. If you have ever worked for a company with a powerful compliance department, then you will know how they operate ! If the big corporates decide that it would be too uncomfortable to be associated with F1 in the event that the bribery trial drags on for months and months, then Bernie will end up having to leave. Simple. Without the backing of the corporates, he is toast. He must be tired by now for gods sake. He should step down and let that paragon of noble thinking , Jean Todt, take over. I think Mercedes have been looking for a way out for some time. The last news I read was that they had not signed up for the new agreement which leaves Ferrari and Red Bull on the controlling board. This could be a way the Mercedes to gain an advantage. If they do pull-outs then the flotation of the TV rights might not be as lucrative as anticipated, let alone as lucrative as predicted. The problem for Mercedes is that the way they are set up means that spending vast amounts in F1 needs the okay of their board, which includes worker representation, some of whom are losing their jobs and some are not getting wage increases. Together with the fact that MSc is not performing I would suggest that there F1 programme is under threat. Ecclestone has admitted to paying the money as a form of bribe. Or rather under the complex form of duress. I would think therefore that the association with Gribkowsky must harm him a great deal and, as you point out, compliance is important. What is important is that this has the potential to harm F1. Ecclestone does it for the money. He is no enthusiast for the sport. F1 is in a very difficult period with the concord agreement being negotiated, the teams shuffling for power and influence, the sale of the rights and probably just as importantly, an emasculated FIA. You would have to be very brave to predict the outcome. The only way the outcome could become more confusing is if it was fitted with Pirelli tyres. Madmatt74 said: He still saved the R's from the brink of collapse . . . You seem to be suggesting that this was a good thing.
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arollingstone
107 posts
17 months
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Ecclestone always was a crooked little git
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XTR2Turbo
1,348 posts
100 months
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toppstuff said: BSC said: Exactly. Today radio news in Germany reported that Mercedes is considering to pull out of F1 due to these things. Mercedes don't want to be part of it. ETA article in well respected business newspaper Handelsblatt. This is a pretty big deal. Big corporates have seriously powerful internal compliance departments these days. If you have ever worked for a company with a powerful compliance department, then you will know how they operate ! If the big corporates decide that it would be too uncomfortable to be associated with F1 in the event that the bribery trial drags on for months and months, then Bernie will end up having to leave. Simple. Without the backing of the corporates, he is toast. He must be tired by now for gods sake. He should step down and let that paragon of noble thinking , Jean Todt, take over. Rubbish, this is just a manufacturer team wanting a more controlling stake in F1 or looking to exit as their results are poor and seeing this as an opportunity. Bernie made a payment to someone. It will have been declared some how in his accounts as a deal arrangement fee. The fact that the german didn't declare for tax and has gone to prison doesn't mean that Bernie will be implicated at all. You can't have been around at these levels and survived like he has without covering your tracks well. David
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BSC
315 posts
151 months
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If the German court decides that BE paid those millions as bribe Mercedes has no choice but to stop dealing with BE as otherwise Mercedes would act against its own statutes.
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smash
929 posts
97 months
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Tankman2 said: Dare anyone post a photoshop picture of Bernie without the Syrup?
Actually, I am sure it is all his own hair and I didn't mean anything by the above comment.
All comments are meant in a light hearted and fun loving manner. Nothing contained herein is meant as a slight on the reputation or integrity of any persons previously mentioned or related to this article. Unfortunately this is obviously NOT Bernie (ahem) but a work colleague who bears a striking facial resemblance so, just for you... No libel expressed or implied
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David911RSR
928 posts
79 months
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M@1975 said: In most countries these are known as 'facilitation payments' they are still bribes though. Unfortunately bernie is a horrible little moneygrabbing git in my book. Saw a chance to make money and went for it in a very cynical way. I'd not be surprised if he actaully hated F1 and was just in it for the cash. He will never get banged up though.
His comments about international politics recently should have been enough for someone in the sport to publically denounce him and if he was around back in the golden ages of the sport the drivers would probably have walked out on it and him years ago. What do you consider the Golden ages of F1 to be?
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V8Dom
2,271 posts
71 months
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Bernie could always buy the prison???
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Derek Smith
16,015 posts
117 months
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David911RSR said: What do you consider the Golden ages of F1 to be? The problem is that there is a grave risk 2013 onwards will not be golden ages. I've followed F1 for some years and reckon that it is a wee bit up and down. There are good years and there are bad years. Politics are the major problem. Balestre, an enthusiast for the sport, had favourites, treated the teams so badly that there was a serious threat of a breakway, embarrassed enthusiasts with his supposed nazi leanings and was eventually forced out when Ecclestone decided not to support him. Then there was Mosley who was not an enthusiast for the sport. Both caused major problems that led to periods of bronze. The only significant difference between them was that Mosley left the FIA in financial ruin. For the rest, most of it has been a golden age in my opinion. That said, the best F1 manages is normally when those in authority keep their noses out of it. The strength of the sport is its most surprising attribute. There have been few years when it has not been seen as the pinnacle of motorsport, at least in this country.
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BBS-LM
3,484 posts
93 months
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toppstuff said: This COULD lead to Bernie's departure from the scene however, an excuse for the little goblin to retire.
Big corporations simply cannot afford to be associated with this sort of thing these days. Shareholders hate it.
This could be the catalyst that sees Bernie step down, to avoid the sport getting headlines for all the wrong reasons. The money men could insist on it. I think you will find Big corporations as well as the banking system are just as corrupt as Mr Ecclestone.
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Mermaid
12,481 posts
40 months
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BBS-LM said: I think you will find Big corporations as well as the banking system are just as corrupt as Mr Ecclestone. The world would stop going round otherwise, or slow down.
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leef44
259 posts
22 months
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As if the rules aren't corrupt already...
Hamilton runs out of fuel during Q3 qualifying = go to the back of the grid (24th place), don't even consider going to the back of Q3 (10th place)
Alonso stops in the middle of the track after the race, marshalls interfere with his car, has he run out of fuel? = let's just brush over this and pretend this never happened and he never stopped and he went straight to parc ferme
Maldonado goes off the track, rejoins by T-boning Hamilton who then loses his champion lead = well, that's just a minor offence since its Hamilton, let's demote Maldonado from 10th to 12th position.
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Oddball RS
1,191 posts
87 months
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The little prat is as bent as a used staple!
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BBL-Sean
187 posts
45 months
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I wonder what Jimmy Carr thinks about this?
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KM666
1,002 posts
52 months
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BBL-Sean said: I wonder what Jimmy Carr thinks about this? Best comment so far!
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jagfan2
130 posts
46 months
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I wonder what this country could do with the $2b BE cheated us out of! Wont people think of the children... (or nurses/teachers/hospitals/firemen etc)
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thunderbelmont
2,890 posts
93 months
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V8Dom said: Bernie could always buy the prison??? An excellent scenario. In a sudden turn of fate, and outpouring of guilt, BE offers to plead guilty, only if the court is adjourned in Monaco. He is found guilty and sentenced to 5 years rehabilitation in a purpose built apartment prison in the principality, just down the road from Casino Square, over-looking circuit. He will obviously be released after nine months for good behaviour. By now, of course, Mercedes have had enough and talked all of the other teams into joining them in a new championship, carefully named not to cause confusion. Formel Eins. (Anyone can see that it's not Formula One, it's spelled totally different innit. Even a dodgy car salesman from Bungay in Suffolk can see that.
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pKay
7 posts
18 months
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Just to let u guys know.
The german *Bild* isnt even allowed to call itself newspaper anymore, because they write so much crap.
Atleast thats what i heard.
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Pommygranite
4,158 posts
85 months
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pKay said: Just to let u guys know.
The german *Bild* isnt even allowed to call itself newspaper anymore, because they write so much crap.
Atleast thats what i heard. Did you read that in the Bild? 
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