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SlipStream77
Original Poster
1,631 posts
60 months
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If you put an F1 driver of 30 or more years ago, most are over 60 now, in a modern Red Bull how many, if any, do you think would be able to set a respectable qualifying time or be within the 107% rule?
Oldtimers who would have no great problem IMHO: Prost, Emerson Fittipaldi, Mario Andretti.
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Life Saab Itch
34,059 posts
57 months
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If they could fit in... Mario may have a problem with this.  Lauda drove the Jag back in the early 00s. He needed more seat time. I reckon Stewart, Lauda, watson, Scheckter and Piquet would probably be ok for guys from the seventies.
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McHaggis
7,677 posts
24 months
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treehack
729 posts
108 months
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Probably none of them. Fitness levels, reaction times and just generally how fast the cars are now.
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Fire99
8,089 posts
98 months
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Dare I say it's Fitness over skill these days. Not particularly quick (by F1 standards) in a straight line but cornering G's are very high.
You'd be better off doing the reverse. Get current F1 drivers to try competitive laps in old cars on old tracks and see how they compare. (If exact tracks exist other than the Nurburgring perhaps)
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Podie
38,380 posts
144 months
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Didn't Brundle drive a car a year or so ago and say it was gutless? (or words to that effect)
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Fire99
8,089 posts
98 months
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Podie said: Didn't Brundle drive a car a year or so ago and say it was gutless? (or words to that effect) Yep, Brundle has been quoted saying the current V8's are "Gutless and Peaky"
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shunaphil
254 posts
12 months
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Fire99 said: Dare I say it's Fitness over skill these days. Not particularly quick (by F1 standards) in a straight line but cornering G's are very high.
You'd be better off doing the reverse. Get current F1 drivers to try competitive laps in old cars on old tracks and see how they compare. (If exact tracks exist other than the Nurburgring perhaps) This - most of the current 'safety conscious' young drivers would probably wet themselves (as would I so no real criticism inferred) in a 70s or 80s car. Kimi and Lewis would probably love it though...........
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McHaggis
7,677 posts
24 months
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shunaphil said: This - most of the current 'safety conscious' young drivers would probably wet themselves (as would I so no real criticism inferred) in a 70s or 80s car.
Kimi and Lewis would probably love it though........... Schumacher too. Let's not forget his first F1 race was '91... I think he would live the purity, as would Alonso...
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Z3MCJez
87 posts
41 months
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Life Saab Itch said: I reckon Stewart, Lauda, watson, Scheckter and Piquet would probably be ok for guys from the seventies. I don't agree. Rindt. Fittipaldi. Hill. Brabham. Ickx. Cevert. Peterson. And they're just the drivers who drove in 1970. However, it's a sacriledge to suggest that Villeneuve wouldn't have been quick. In fact, I suspect he may have been a multiple world champion in todays F1. The accident at Zolder would never have happened in today's formula. Jez
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Fire99
8,089 posts
98 months
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shunaphil said: Kimi and Lewis would probably love it though........... I remember Lewis driving the 80's McLaren MP4 (Topgear) and he was all but wetting himself. There's a reason why I loved 80's F1. Lewis just re-confirmed it for me.
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DanDC5
6,921 posts
36 months
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Fire99 said: Podie said: Didn't Brundle drive a car a year or so ago and say it was gutless? (or words to that effect) Yep, Brundle has been quoted saying the current V8's are "Gutless and Peaky" Apparently they're only around 250-290 lb/ft torque. It's an understandable comment if you're driving them at low revs I suppose.
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hiccy
662 posts
81 months
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I'd love to see John Surtees try 
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Efbe
4,864 posts
35 months
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though i'd love to think past drivers would be great, young drivers have more chance than ever before to become a racing driver.
it is becomeing more and more accessible as more people are able to drive, and so the pool of talent grows.
Just because today's cars are not the fastest, does not reflect how good the drivers are.
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coppice
618 posts
13 months
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I would like to see some of our younger drivers try to qualify a 1986 1000bhp turbo at Monaco.....If you're quick, you're quick but some acclimatisation time might be needed , especially the tricky business of changing gear.And I am sure Jim Clark would take more than a lap or two to get used to the myriad controls on a Red Bull steering wheel. The Rindts and Fangios would be gobsmacked by the size of the run off areas and the Hamiltons and Vettels would be equally horrified at the lack of them at lost circuits like Clermond Ferrand or Rouen.
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Moley RUFC
2,370 posts
58 months
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Fire99 said: Yep, Brundle has been quoted saying the current V8's are "Gutless and Peaky" One thing that irritates me with Brundle is when he does a pre race track discussion with a driver and says something like "How do you guys build up the courage to take the corner at 150mph?" or "How do you see the other cars in full spray racing down to the first corner?" Hang on Martin, you've done it in cars more likely to bite your head off and with fewer safety assists. It's as if Sky have told him to lose his racing history.
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ralphrj
884 posts
60 months
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SlipStream77 said: If you put an F1 driver of 30 or more years ago, most are over 60 now, in a modern Red Bull how many, if any, do you think would be able to set a respectable qualifying time or be within the 107% rule Based on Niki Lauda's attempt in 2002 I would say that none of them would come close. Lauda was nearly 53 and had been retired for 17 years. He spun twice in the first 3 laps. His best time was 15 seconds off the pace (around 120% of the fastest time).
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hondafanatic
2,939 posts
70 months
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I just listened to Jacky Ickx answering a similar question. His response to 'is a modern machine easier to drive' was 'no'. He was saying something along the lines of...'In his era, the cars felt faster in a straight line, but modern F1 drivers have to more consistent lap after lap and think strategically about fuel saving etc. Modern F1 cars are easier to change car, but need much smoother inputs'.
He did also add that he recently took an Auto Union early F1 car around Spa and found that a scary experience with no seat belts etc and that those guys deserve huge respect.
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TheHeretic
67,935 posts
124 months
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Moley RUFC said: One thing that irritates me with Brundle is when he does a pre race track discussion with a driver and says something like "How do you guys build up the courage to take the corner at 150mph?" or "How do you see the other cars in full spray racing down to the first corner?"
Hang on Martin, you've done it in cars more likely to bite your head off and with fewer safety assists. It's as if Sky have told him to lose his racing history. He's asking questions for the viewers at home, not for himself.
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superkartracer
6,664 posts
91 months
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coppice said: I would like to see some of our younger drivers try to qualify a 1986 1000bhp turbo at Monaco.....If you're quick, you're quick but some acclimatisation time might be needed , especially the tricky business of changing gear.And I am sure Jim Clark would take more than a lap or two to get used to the myriad controls on a Red Bull steering wheel. The Rindts and Fangios would be gobsmacked by the size of the run off areas and the Hamiltons and Vettels would be equally horrified at the lack of them at lost circuits like Clermond Ferrand or Rouen. Would make no difference, top racing drivers will take whatever is on hand and drive it on the limits, the fact is safe or not makes no difference at all, it's one thing you never think of as a driver, when you do it's time to quit. Todays cars corner far far faster than the machines of old, end of.
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