Calm down dear

Driving a toll road is not a sport. Football is an unfortunate irrelevance both to this discussion and life in general. Genuinely not sure why you included it. It's not pedantry anyway, it's correcting the view of many that is wrong.A TF session is not a trackday, whichever way you look at it.


Apart from that, you should probably find a dictionary to look up the words hypocrite and grammatical.

Their they're, don't worry.

Well said. "Let it be" is as stupid a comment as I have heard in a long time. People die because other people are idiots and lazy.
I spent some time at my favourite track doing "speed off the street" days and realised weekends were deadly. The track's website would state that the day was for "Speed off the street" only. Turn up and race whatever you liked. You had to buy a track license and wear long pants, closed shoes, a long sleeve shirt and a helmet but after that you were on your own. No induction, no rules, no safety, no checking condition of the cars.
On one particular Saturday said speed off the street day also had the mx5 club and the caterham club running qualification sessions. So;
1. We get there only to find we had little track time.
2. The rice burners club turns up complete with girlfriends and hit the tract.
3. One girl was black flagged and slammed on the brakes in the middle of the straight just after the start finish line. Cars swerved everywhere and how the whole thing did not turn into a wreck is beyond me. People should have been injured and cars destroyed.
4. One supra drive went off on the same corner 9 times. The marshal yelled “slow in fast out”, and then got angry when said rice burner went off again and again. After he had yelled ‘slow in fast out’ enough times I went up to him and said “mate, he has no idea what you mean, tell him to approach the corner and brake while he still has the front wheels straight and turn only when he is slowed and starts to accelerate lightly through the corner”.
People should have been injured that day. Cars should have been wrecked. Here’s what went wrong and how it could have been fixed.
1. Overbooked track day. The circuit had two clubs running events on a public track day that was usually public only. People got angry as they had just three 20 minute sessions all day (call it 5 laps per session as cars went off and red flagged a few sessions). Cranky angry drivers and a race track is a bad mix. Issue – greedy circuit, mismanaged. Result – potential injury and damage. Mitigation measure – do not over book a track!
2. First time track drivers in 400 to 500hp rice burners. Sending thirty 18 to 27 year olds in twin turbo supras and the rest of the Japanese racing car pack onto a 2.8km race track for the first time is going to ask for trouble. Asking them to sign an indemnity and pay $50 for a track license will not insure safety. Issue – lazy and lack of attention to induction and briefing (ship, it would take 15 mins!!!!). Result – potential injury, death and damage. Mitigation measure – Induction for 1st times at 0.5hrs long. Briefing for all at 15 mins long.
If people are driving 2 hrs to get to the track and paying $50 for a track license for the year and $250 for a track day, they will wait for a briefing. Safety does not just happen, deaths do. Racing, track days et.al. are dangerous enough without putting the uneducated and under experienced into a dangerous situation with no safety briefing what so ever. Good enough is never good enough and anyone who believes that ‘things will look after themselves’ or ‘let it be’ are clauses often found in any Safe Work Method Statement need to be kept well away from any racetrack!

I like to think so - for me, the risk outweighed the reward. That's not to say that I think everyone else was a loony, more a case of recognising my own limitations and being aware of the potential downside of a SLOT moment - to others as well as myself.

I can see both sides of the argument but would tend to fall on the side of leaving things mostly as they are - I just decided that it wasn't for me.

In your mind only,,,,,,,

Firstly, Charly RIP.

Reading this thread makes me think PH has signed up en mass to join Bomber Command. The degree of wild over reaction to this thread is totally over the top. The OP makes some valid points and is not trying to bring about the end of the universe. Why the extreme posts??? The Ring is dangerous - be prepared, know the rules and take your chances only when you feel comfortable. As for fluid leaks - I have a video of a biker going over on the fluid left by some old banger. He slid elegantly along the tarmac for several hundred yards and only avoided being collected by a high speed Lambo Gallardo because the Lambo driver somehow managed to take avoiding action, drove clean off the track and somehow missed the armco. Scary near miss for all involved.

Thats just about the worst post I think I have ever read on any forum.

totally agree but any ideas to reduce fluid spills, in my opinion, are bang on. The ring isnt as well marshalled as a track day so the public need to take this concept and make it work. stop the car/bike if you suspect any fluids are being dropped and report back to ring hq, dont be a tt and drive 5 miles or whatever back to the carpark on the racing line (I have seen this). thats just being stupid and selfish. 5/10ths on a bike and you hit oil, you are going down and its going to hurt or be fatal and all because of some moron. cant see why anyone would have an issue with this ...