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vonuber
3,903 posts
34 months
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Composite Guru said: I'm sure that will mean others are affected too. Red Bull can't be the only ones inventive enough to do this. Maybe mclaren with their recent raft of updates?
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tonytifoso
1,050 posts
92 months
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Composite Guru said: I'm sure that will mean others are affected too. Red Bull can't be the only ones inventive enough to do this. At Silverstone the Red Bulls sounded entirely different to any other car at the apexes(including Renault/Infiniti engined varieties). The sound isn't that noticable on the telly, even in 5.1 surround but in the flesh at the track 
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Blayney
443 posts
55 months
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tonytifoso said: At Silverstone the Red Bulls sounded entirely different to any other car at the apexes(including Renault/Infiniti engined varieties). The sound isn't that noticable on the telly, even in 5.1 surround but in the flesh at the track Hard to really tell but someone pointed this out to me on another forum shortly after Valencia.
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chrisobrien54
308 posts
66 months
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Mr_Thyroid said: That's a big prediction - Button hasn't dominated any proceeding since the beginning of '09. He might win but it's unlikely to be dominant.
For me dominant means pole and win by at least 10s, or if not pole win by at least Fair point about defining dominant, but he gave a good crack at Monza 11 (iirc) Sure he was pipped by Alonso / Ferrari's better strategy?
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chrisobrien54
308 posts
66 months
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djstevec said: Here's hoping. Ha! Absolutely.
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DanDC5
6,933 posts
36 months
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chrisobrien54 said: Mr_Thyroid said: That's a big prediction - Button hasn't dominated any proceeding since the beginning of '09. He might win but it's unlikely to be dominant.
For me dominant means pole and win by at least 10s, or if not pole win by at least Fair point about defining dominant, but he gave a good crack at Monza 11 (iirc) Sure he was pipped by Alonso / Ferrari's better strategy? I'd say he was pretty dominant in Australia this year to be honest. He seemed to have a lot more in reserve there.
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Jasandjules
45,451 posts
98 months
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I am expecting Lewis to win, Alonso 2nd with Button 3rd. Though I would not be surprised if Kimi made the podium (can anyone explain how that car has improved so much this season, or is it simply in Kimi's hands it is a different animal?).
And I almost have a dry mouth in anticipation of seeing the impact upon the Red Bulls of any changes...
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P-Jay
3,648 posts
60 months
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McClure said: P-Jay said: Is he still tweeting pics of rappers then? Yeah. And of him trying to be all "gangsta".  That's harmless though. It was the apparent endorsement of notorious woman-beater Chris Brown  that caused me to raise my eyebrows.  Just saw that, I thought Chris Brown was still a showbiz leper, but hey ho. I'm not bothered about all the Celeb lifestyle crap, making up for a childhood / adolescence spent at the track/gym no doubt. He's seems to be spouting Inspirations Posters like a pissed up lifestyle coach at the moment, or like a manic depressive trying be positive.
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Sofoklis
102 posts
11 months
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Blayney said: tonytifoso said: At Silverstone the Red Bulls sounded entirely different to any other car at the apexes(including Renault/Infiniti engined varieties). The sound isn't that noticable on the telly, even in 5.1 surround but in the flesh at the track Hard to really tell but someone pointed this out to me on another forum shortly after Valencia. These funny noises from the Redbull have been going on for a while now but it seems that there is a simple answer to it. As part of the ever complex fuel saving modes, engines can be cut to run on 4 cylinders. This is somewhat done in the slower corners of the track, hence the popping. There may well be other reasons too behind the noises but cylinder cut off is definitely one.
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PeXy
1,407 posts
40 months
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Can't believe no one has mentioned much about the Lotus' Kimi has been on the podium a fair bit this year and 4th in the DWC.
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Daz68
1,330 posts
79 months
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Forecast for Sunday still looking very wet. Hope Mclaren can sort their wet pace out.
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RicksAlfas
5,297 posts
113 months
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Sofoklis said: These funny noises from the Redbull have been going on for a while now but it seems that there is a simple answer to it. As part of the ever complex fuel saving modes, engines can be cut to run on 4 cylinders. This is somewhat done in the slower corners of the track, hence the popping. There may well be other reasons too behind the noises but cylinder cut off is definitely one. That's certainly what Brundle said during the last race.
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Ultuous
1,620 posts
60 months
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Jasandjules said: I am expecting Lewis to win, Alonso 2nd with Button 3rd. Though I would not be surprised if Kimi made the podium (can anyone explain how that car has improved so much this season, or is it simply in Kimi's hands it is a different animal?) I get the impression that they lost out in the development race last year, largely due to the reg changes over engine mapping and their blown diffuser concept relying heavily on it - and they didn't really have a driver that was going to set the world alight! To be honest, Grosjean's outpaced Kimi on several occasions but has made errors and had a little bad luck of late - I think the second half of the season could be fascinating to see if the rookie matures and the champion gets further into the groove!
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MGJohn
6,665 posts
52 months
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Ultuous said: To be honest, Grosjean's outpaced Kimi on several occasions but has made errors and had a little bad luck of late - I think the second half of the season could be fascinating to see if the rookie matures and the champion gets further into the groove!
. Now there's someone who can pay attention.
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Crafty_
4,553 posts
69 months
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Ultuous said: I get the impression that they lost out in the development race last year, largely due to the reg changes over engine mapping and their blown diffuser concept relying heavily on it - and they didn't really have a driver that was going to set the world alight!
To be honest, Grosjean's outpaced Kimi on several occasions but has made errors and had a little bad luck of late - I think the second half of the season could be fascinating to see if the rookie matures and the champion gets further into the groove! I think Grosjean is doing a cracking job, okay he's made a few mistakes and had a bit of a nightmare in Germany but he's making people like Senna look a bit silly on track and others like Pastor off of it. He's definitely got some decent raw speed and handled the tyres better at some tracks than Kimi did. This one is difficult to call - McLaren are blowing hot and cold, depending on weather, was Germany a one off or has JB solved his balance issue ? Alonso is irrepressible. Red Bull could be quick but how much the engine map change will affect them is an unknown, I think it will affect Vettel more than Webber but who knows. Lotus are the nearly men with Williams snapping at their heels. Down the field Force India have reasonable speed but are let down by strategy. Toro Rosso are all over the place, Caterham need to start showing an improvement for all the cash being spent and Marussia need to buck their ideas up or HRT will be firmly in front.
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oyster
5,220 posts
117 months
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The problem with all this forecasting is that it's nearly always been wrong this year!
The only constant is that Alonso is likely to bag a large chunk of points. If only Hamilton and Button could do likewise. But at the current rate I can't see either of them winning the title again unless they're in a dominant car.
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woof
6,948 posts
146 months
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So the Red Bull "special" mapping was a form of traction control - clever chaps !
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mondeoman
6,797 posts
135 months
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woof said: So the Red Bull "special" mapping was a form of traction control - clever chaps ! linky?
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woof
6,948 posts
146 months
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mondeoman said: woof said: So the Red Bull "special" mapping was a form of traction control - clever chaps ! linky? Being discussed on SKY FP1. RB claim it was to remove the peaky torque curve but in reality, or as RB would say a "side effect", it allowed the engine to manage the slip.
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bullies180
1,013 posts
63 months
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woof said: mondeoman said: woof said: So the Red Bull "special" mapping was a form of traction control - clever chaps ! linky? Being discussed on SKY FP1. RB claim it was to remove the peaky torque curve but in reality, or as RB would say a "side effect", it allowed the engine to manage the slip. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/redbull/9428954/Hungarian-Grand-Prix-2012-Red-Bull-forced-to-ring-changes-after-FIA-tighten-phrasing-of-rules-concerning-engine-torque.html
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