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Adrian W
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97 months
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Jasandjules
45,354 posts
98 months
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The usual pre-contract stuff.... Each party showing why they are in a more dominant position to negotiate.
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Fire99
8,082 posts
98 months
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Ron certainly has a different personality to Martin Whitmarsh, but I agree that it's just the normal 'posturing' before contracts are signed.
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stephen300o
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97 months
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doogz
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56 months
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But what did Hamilton think of Dennis's pugilistic stance, his second uncompromising broadside in as many months? "I don't know what questions he has been asked so it's not really for me to comment on. It has nothing to do with me particularly, what he says," said Hamilton. "Martin is my boss."
Can't really see anything wrong with that, but then, the way it's spoken about, it can be made to sound a lot like the drivers are picking the teams. Ron's correct really, they employ drivers, not the other way around.
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rdjohn
866 posts
64 months
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fatboy69
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56 months
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Who gives a toss so long as LH or JB win the title for McLaren next year.
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stephen300o
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fatboy69 said: Who gives a toss so long as LH or JB win the title for McLaren next year. If they are both there next year.. anyway ferrari for the win!. 
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Rugbyman
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72 months
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REALIST123
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Rugbyman said: Alonso
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Gaz.
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120 months
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doogz said: Can't really see anything wrong with that, but then, the way it's spoken about, it can be made to sound a lot like the drivers are picking the teams. Ron's correct really, they employ drivers, not the other way around. Some can pick their drives. Alonso was in a fearsomely strong position before signing for Ferrari who paid Kimi to vacate the seat. JB was approached by Mclaren while Brawn wanted to resign him before being bought by Mercedes. Until Webber signed to RedBull for 2013 Hamilton had a very strong hand, XIX assumed the driver market would wait for Hamilton like it did in 2009 for Alonso and for a while it did but they took far too long and should have signed by Canada at the latest. "Silly Season" usually starts in Monaco, gathers momentum in Silverstone and finishes at Monza. If Lewis wants a pair of WDC trophies he should have signed with RBR on his way back from the podium in Canada, if he wants £100m he should have signed for Ferrari in Catalunya while Massa was in real trouble. He is unlikely to get £100m or a WDC at Mclaren. If I was him I'd do a 12 month extension at Mclaren and sign for RBR for 2014-2016.
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P-Jay
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60 months
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Ron's the boss of McL of course, but doesn't mean it's his decision where LH drives, he can offer him a drive for £x or not, LH can take or leave it. Christ it's the same for most people who work, never mind one of F1's top stars.
I would guess Lewis has a min figure in mind for the sake of sanity, but his great driver (if you excuse the pun) will be getting WDC number 2, if Ron says, "well Vodafone have left us, Maximuscle aren't paying nearly the same, the road car project isn't going to turn a profit until 2016 and it's bleeding us dry so sadly we're cutting the R&D on the F1 team and projecting to be competitive at a level in front of Merc & Lotus, but behind RB and Ferrari, nicking the odd win" not that he would say that! But I suspect Lewis's management would be picking the phone up to the other teams.
Too many people assume employment is a one way street, you get a job and your boss tells you the way it's going to be. There's no difference between Lewis Hamilton and McL, than Stan to self-stacker and Tesco - well apart from most teams would kill to get him to drive their Car.
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Rude-boy
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Gaz. said: If I was him I'd do a 12 month extension at Mclaren and sign for RBR for 2014-2016. And if I were them I would say 5 years, £10mil per year and £5mil per WDC you win in that time or take your chances at HRT. The talent is out there and available at much nicer price. LH is a great driver and has the unmentionable un miss able on his side, outside of that though he's just another quick driver who has had the opportunity to prove that they could be great if they could get their personal house in order.
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cobylu
154 posts
72 months
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I'm not convinced there are other viable options for mclaren. Certainly not with similar talent and proven track record. Unless they can come up with a car capable of dominating then I don't think there is anyone else available who can drag the extra 10th or 2 which might just get them on par with the others and the WDC.
Yes his options vastly reduced but I still suspect he could go anywhere he wanted next year (salary aside) with the exception of red bull.
His personal sponsorship would put most drivers in the shade and doesn't need the money. 12 months in a lotus, force India. I'd love to see it while other seats open up.
I'd say negotiations are 50/50 and theyre both just answering the questions the media are asking.
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rdjohn
866 posts
64 months
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The reason I suggested Nicole is that a one-year deal in the US would probably bring him a championship, a shed load of money and time to be with her.
The market will be more open next year, or even 2014 when the new rules come in.
Lets face it while Sam Michael is in a position of authority, McLaren may have a fast car, but it will also have a tendency to screw-up its strategy.
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cuprabob
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83 months
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REALIST123
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rdjohn said: Lets face it while Sam Michael is in a position of authority, McLaren may have a fast car, but it will also have a tendency to screw-up its strategy. I'm no supporter of Michael's but Mclaren were well capable of screwing up before he ever showed up. As for Lewis, I don't mind where or if he goes. Over the six years he's had in F1 we've seen that he can be brilliantly quick or uninterestingly average. He can be thrilling or frustrating. He can win the WDC if things go his way or he can finish way down if they don't. He can 'have the best race of my life' or act like a spoilt child. Etc, etc. In other words he's not that special as F1 drivers go. Maybe that has dawned on Ron, too.
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cuprabob
2,490 posts
83 months
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If anyone knows how to handle people who think they are bigger than the team, Ron Dennis and McLaren do.
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weyland yutani
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33 months
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I reckon he'll sign a 12 month contract at the very least. The door is shut at RBR and Ferrari whist Mercedes are still in no mans land between top tier and midfield.
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Jasandjules
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98 months
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cuprabob said: Papa? Oooooooh René...
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