RE: Audi to return to Pikes Peak?
Discussion
Pistonwot said:
Not sure about the "enviro" bit but the rest of that word describes these misery freaks perfectly.
Darwin needs to meet these killjoy douche bags.
I really wish all these moaning minnies would just pDarwin needs to meet these killjoy douche bags.
s off. Don't get me wrong, I am all for saving the trees but surely there are better ways to save the environment then the miniscule damage a once a year event will do to a very small part of the world. I fear the real reason is that these green freaks hate cars, or having fun in general for that matter.I just hope they'll all be happy when they eventually force us back into our mud huts, wearing hessian sacks for clothes and eating lentils all day the miserable f**kers!
I'm going to pikes peak this year as for the first time in a while its the week before speed week at the salt flats.
I can't wait, even though I'd love to of seen some sideways on gravel/cliff edge action its still going to be immense if not on the cusp of getting a bit to corporate - bring it on!
I can't wait, even though I'd love to of seen some sideways on gravel/cliff edge action its still going to be immense if not on the cusp of getting a bit to corporate - bring it on!
Pistonwot said:
That is the Audi/VAG ethos is it not? (cynical marketing k-nobs that shamelessly rape all they can to shift another unit)
Consider the cold, dead Audi response to the question "Will Audi contest F1?"
Wow you really don't like Audi do you.Consider the cold, dead Audi response to the question "Will Audi contest F1?"
Much as this might surprise you, car companies generally get involved in motorsport to help sell their cars. I know, who knew?
Audi in F1?
Why on earth should they do that?
If you want cynical marketing ploys then look no further than F1. Infiniti?
Renault's UK sales actually decreased over the years they won the F1 championship with Alonso.
Audi prefer to focus their motorsport activity around Le Mans, DTM and GT championships which are far more relevent to the development of their road cars.
And if you look at the Audi board it's clear to see it is a company run by engineers, not marketing k-nobs as you so eloquently put it.
But, you haven't looked at the Audi board have you?
Or spoken to anybody who works there.
You've almost certainly never driven an R8 or RS4.
And you don't seem to understand the very basics of automotive industry involvement in motorsport
In fact, you don't really know anything about Audi do you?
I have been up that road in everything from a 1.6 Rabbit D to my current late model accord. I was passenger in a 911 in the late 80s on the race run up. It was dirt half way up until recently, can't recall the year they paved the last bit. I make that drive at least once a year, I was up there a few weeks back. The price to drive up has gone up quite a bit in the last few years. I believe if memory serves it was something like $5 to go up in the mid 80s, this summer a few weeks ago it was $25 for the wife and kids in my Accord. It's good to see Audi back in the game......
hope2421 said:
Getting sick of Audi using its Quattro Rally heritage to sell new models but they don't support it's parts etc the people who still try to care for the original ur quattros.
This is the main reason for me selling mine. I can't enjoy it as it should be knowing that when something breaks I could be waiting 6 months for the part to come up on flea bay. Maldini35 said:
Wow you really don't like Audi do you.
Much as this might surprise you, car companies generally get involved in motorsport to help sell their cars. I know, who knew?
Audi in F1?
Why on earth should they do that?
If you want cynical marketing ploys then look no further than F1. Infiniti?
Renault's UK sales actually decreased over the years they won the F1 championship with Alonso.
Audi prefer to focus their motorsport activity around Le Mans, DTM and GT championships which are far more relevent to the development of their road cars.
And if you look at the Audi board it's clear to see it is a company run by engineers, not marketing k-nobs as you so eloquently put it.
But, you haven't looked at the Audi board have you?
Or spoken to anybody who works there.
You've almost certainly never driven an R8 or RS4.
And you don't seem to understand the very basics of automotive industry involvement in motorsport
In fact, you don't really know anything about Audi do you?
Possibly went a little too far there - but I agree. Absolutely no reason to enter F1 - I don't even watch it anymore as I don't see any real test bed for road car tech there - unlike LeMans series.Much as this might surprise you, car companies generally get involved in motorsport to help sell their cars. I know, who knew?
Audi in F1?
Why on earth should they do that?
If you want cynical marketing ploys then look no further than F1. Infiniti?
Renault's UK sales actually decreased over the years they won the F1 championship with Alonso.
Audi prefer to focus their motorsport activity around Le Mans, DTM and GT championships which are far more relevent to the development of their road cars.
And if you look at the Audi board it's clear to see it is a company run by engineers, not marketing k-nobs as you so eloquently put it.
But, you haven't looked at the Audi board have you?
Or spoken to anybody who works there.
You've almost certainly never driven an R8 or RS4.
And you don't seem to understand the very basics of automotive industry involvement in motorsport
In fact, you don't really know anything about Audi do you?
Maldini35 said:
Pistonwot said:
That is the Audi/VAG ethos is it not? (cynical marketing k-nobs that shamelessly rape all they can to shift another unit)
Consider the cold, dead Audi response to the question "Will Audi contest F1?"
1 Wow you really don't like Audi do you.Consider the cold, dead Audi response to the question "Will Audi contest F1?"
2 Much as this might surprise you, car companies generally get involved in motorsport to help sell their cars. I know, who knew?
3 Audi in F1?
Why on earth should they do that?
4 If you want cynical marketing ploys then look no further than F1. Infiniti?
Renault's UK sales actually decreased over the years they won the F1 championship with Alonso.
Audi prefer to focus their motorsport activity around Le Mans, DTM and GT championships which are far more relevent to the development of their road cars.
5 And if you look at the Audi board it's clear to see it is a company run by engineers, not marketing k-nobs as you so eloquently put it.
6 But, you haven't looked at the Audi board have you?
Or spoken to anybody who works there.
You've almost certainly never driven an R8 or RS4.
And you don't seem to understand the very basics of automotive industry involvement in motorsport
In fact, you don't really know anything about Audi do you?
2 a No-one minds competition at all, quite the opposite in fact competition is good,,, on the other hand lots of us have VERY different feeling when asked about the cold death Audi (read VW AG) is happily raining down upon production cars and motorsport,,,, FEW manufacturers develop plans to sell their cars AT the cost of motorsport, its an abomination.
This aggressive destruction of non-VW AG manufacturers (bye TVR, bye LOTUS, bye PORSCHE, bye LAMBORGHINI, bye NOBLE, bye ,, f
k it,,, do your own homework on the others Im fed up listing the corpses) This decimation is viewed as detrimental by people who love cars for what they are,,, ( sadly this would appear to be a positive thing for the Audi fanboys who seem to desire a 1 car market,,, rest easy it may be here soon clone)
3 As for F1, go and actually LOOK and READ the cold, dead Audi response and then comment so smugly about the engineering prowess of this marketing group who employ engineers!
4 Go and take a non-biased look at what is happening to motorsport thanks to the knock-on effects corporate domination has had, and if you cant see the problem here no-one can help you understand ALL MONOPOLY is bad (NO, not the game Dilbert).
TBH I actually find it quite incredible how anyone could be so blinded as to arrive at the conclusion written in the above box.
Unless you work for Audi, most probably in marketing. (lol in case you think thats a punt, marketers dont tend to have a sense of humour,,, it doesnt pay or destroy anything they dont own)
5 Ha, ha, haa, ahhh, haaaaa.
Thanks for that, Ive been needing a good laugh,,, any more jokes?
6 There is no-one on this earth who would, after looking at any modern Audi bar the pikes peak Quattro MARKETING concept, then credit the brand with a motorsport pedegree.
A STICKER department yes but motorsport,, no.
An EXECUTIVE pandering department yes but Motorsport,,,, hell no.
Even the aforementioned R8 is "executive sports" and not super at all, my Granny could peddle it as fast as you without breaking a sweat so little effort is required. It gets boring after an hour.
What is the point of it, what does a driver LEARN?
6 The fact of the matter is this, the Audi board actually do know better,,, thats why its so shameful and despicable they produce the fat, cynical cash cows they do and then spend astronomical amounts to punt these cows to the "image conscious" joe public at the detriment to everyone around them.
I think you are right actually, I really dont like Audi.
Pistonwot said:
Maldini35 said:
Pistonwot said:
That is the Audi/VAG ethos is it not? (cynical marketing k-nobs that shamelessly rape all they can to shift another unit)
Consider the cold, dead Audi response to the question "Will Audi contest F1?"
1 Wow you really don't like Audi do you.Consider the cold, dead Audi response to the question "Will Audi contest F1?"
2 Much as this might surprise you, car companies generally get involved in motorsport to help sell their cars. I know, who knew?
3 Audi in F1?
Why on earth should they do that?
4 If you want cynical marketing ploys then look no further than F1. Infiniti?
Renault's UK sales actually decreased over the years they won the F1 championship with Alonso.
Audi prefer to focus their motorsport activity around Le Mans, DTM and GT championships which are far more relevent to the development of their road cars.
5 And if you look at the Audi board it's clear to see it is a company run by engineers, not marketing k-nobs as you so eloquently put it.
6 But, you haven't looked at the Audi board have you?
Or spoken to anybody who works there.
You've almost certainly never driven an R8 or RS4.
And you don't seem to understand the very basics of automotive industry involvement in motorsport
In fact, you don't really know anything about Audi do you?
2 a No-one minds competition at all, quite the opposite in fact competition is good,,, on the other hand lots of us have VERY different feeling when asked about the cold death Audi (read VW AG) is happily raining down upon production cars and motorsport,,,, FEW manufacturers develop plans to sell their cars AT the cost of motorsport, its an abomination.
This aggressive destruction of non-VW AG manufacturers (bye TVR, bye LOTUS, bye PORSCHE, bye LAMBORGHINI, bye NOBLE, bye ,, f
k it,,, do your own homework on the others Im fed up listing the corpses) This decimation is viewed as detrimental by people who love cars for what they are,,, ( sadly this would appear to be a positive thing for the Audi fanboys who seem to desire a 1 car market,,, rest easy it may be here soon clone)
3 As for F1, go and actually LOOK and READ the cold, dead Audi response and then comment so smugly about the engineering prowess of this marketing group who employ engineers!
4 Go and take a non-biased look at what is happening to motorsport thanks to the knock-on effects corporate domination has had, and if you cant see the problem here no-one can help you understand ALL MONOPOLY is bad (NO, not the game Dilbert).
TBH I actually find it quite incredible how anyone could be so blinded as to arrive at the conclusion written in the above box.
Unless you work for Audi, most probably in marketing. (lol in case you think thats a punt, marketers dont tend to have a sense of humour,,, it doesnt pay or destroy anything they dont own)
5 Ha, ha, haa, ahhh, haaaaa.
Thanks for that, Ive been needing a good laugh,,, any more jokes?
6 There is no-one on this earth who would, after looking at any modern Audi bar the pikes peak Quattro MARKETING concept, then credit the brand with a motorsport pedegree.
A STICKER department yes but motorsport,, no.
An EXECUTIVE pandering department yes but Motorsport,,,, hell no.
Even the aforementioned R8 is "executive sports" and not super at all, my Granny could peddle it as fast as you without breaking a sweat so little effort is required. It gets boring after an hour.
What is the point of it, what does a driver LEARN?
6 The fact of the matter is this, the Audi board actually do know better,,, thats why its so shameful and despicable they produce the fat, cynical cash cows they do and then spend astronomical amounts to punt these cows to the "image conscious" joe public at the detriment to everyone around them.
I think you are right actually, I really dont like Audi.
Audi raining down "cold death"?
Audi responsible for the demise of Lotus and TVR?
Audi's corporate domination of all motorsport?
R8 not a sports car?
Audi have no motorsport pedigree? Hang on, I could have sworn you just said Audi were responsible for the corporate domination of motorsport
Audi exploiting image conscious" Joe Public" (who are clearly just lobotomised drones incapable of indepenedent thought or reasoning)
Sorry but are you drunk or just a little bit mental?
You certainly seem very bitter. What's the real reason?
Guvernator said:
I really wish all these moaning minnies would just ps off. Don't get me wrong, I am all for saving the trees but surely there are better ways to save the environment then the miniscule damage a once a year event will do to a very small part of the world. I fear the real reason is that these green freaks hate cars, or having fun in general for that matter.
I just hope they'll all be happy when they eventually force us back into our mud huts, wearing hessian sacks for clothes and eating lentils all day the miserable f**kers!
It sounds like they object to the gravel not the actual race. Shame that a better engineering solution to keep the gravel on the road rather than washing away wasn't found really, rather than resorting to tarmacking the whole lot. That or they should have just told them to ps off. Don't get me wrong, I am all for saving the trees but surely there are better ways to save the environment then the miniscule damage a once a year event will do to a very small part of the world. I fear the real reason is that these green freaks hate cars, or having fun in general for that matter.I just hope they'll all be happy when they eventually force us back into our mud huts, wearing hessian sacks for clothes and eating lentils all day the miserable f**kers!
s off, it's only gravel. drybeer said:
Maldini35 said:
Wow you really don't like Audi do you.
Much as this might surprise you, car companies generally get involved in motorsport to help sell their cars. I know, who knew?
Audi in F1?
Why on earth should they do that?
If you want cynical marketing ploys then look no further than F1. Infiniti?
Renault's UK sales actually decreased over the years they won the F1 championship with Alonso.
Audi prefer to focus their motorsport activity around Le Mans, DTM and GT championships which are far more relevent to the development of their road cars.
And if you look at the Audi board it's clear to see it is a company run by engineers, not marketing k-nobs as you so eloquently put it.
But, you haven't looked at the Audi board have you?
Or spoken to anybody who works there.
You've almost certainly never driven an R8 or RS4.
And you don't seem to understand the very basics of automotive industry involvement in motorsport
In fact, you don't really know anything about Audi do you?
Possibly went a little too far there - but I agree. Absolutely no reason to enter F1 - I don't even watch it anymore as I don't see any real test bed for road car tech there - unlike LeMans series.Much as this might surprise you, car companies generally get involved in motorsport to help sell their cars. I know, who knew?
Audi in F1?
Why on earth should they do that?
If you want cynical marketing ploys then look no further than F1. Infiniti?
Renault's UK sales actually decreased over the years they won the F1 championship with Alonso.
Audi prefer to focus their motorsport activity around Le Mans, DTM and GT championships which are far more relevent to the development of their road cars.
And if you look at the Audi board it's clear to see it is a company run by engineers, not marketing k-nobs as you so eloquently put it.
But, you haven't looked at the Audi board have you?
Or spoken to anybody who works there.
You've almost certainly never driven an R8 or RS4.
And you don't seem to understand the very basics of automotive industry involvement in motorsport
In fact, you don't really know anything about Audi do you?
The point is the dead Audi response from those "engineers" who purportedly "love" motorsport,,,, my hairy 'arris.
Ill stick with the view they are disgusting Marketers who "love" money and the destruction of all non VWAG brands so they can get MORE money more than they love their own children.
Maldini35 said:
Pistonwot said:
Maldini35 said:
Pistonwot said:
That is the Audi/VAG ethos is it not? (cynical marketing k-nobs that shamelessly rape all they can to shift another unit)
Consider the cold, dead Audi response to the question "Will Audi contest F1?"
1 Wow you really don't like Audi do you.Consider the cold, dead Audi response to the question "Will Audi contest F1?"
2 Much as this might surprise you, car companies generally get involved in motorsport to help sell their cars. I know, who knew?
3 Audi in F1?
Why on earth should they do that?
4 If you want cynical marketing ploys then look no further than F1. Infiniti?
Renault's UK sales actually decreased over the years they won the F1 championship with Alonso.
Audi prefer to focus their motorsport activity around Le Mans, DTM and GT championships which are far more relevent to the development of their road cars.
5 And if you look at the Audi board it's clear to see it is a company run by engineers, not marketing k-nobs as you so eloquently put it.
6 But, you haven't looked at the Audi board have you?
Or spoken to anybody who works there.
You've almost certainly never driven an R8 or RS4.
And you don't seem to understand the very basics of automotive industry involvement in motorsport
In fact, you don't really know anything about Audi do you?
2 a No-one minds competition at all, quite the opposite in fact competition is good,,, on the other hand lots of us have VERY different feeling when asked about the cold death Audi (read VW AG) is happily raining down upon production cars and motorsport,,,, FEW manufacturers develop plans to sell their cars AT the cost of motorsport, its an abomination.
This aggressive destruction of non-VW AG manufacturers (bye TVR, bye LOTUS, bye PORSCHE, bye LAMBORGHINI, bye NOBLE, bye ,, f
k it,,, do your own homework on the others Im fed up listing the corpses) This decimation is viewed as detrimental by people who love cars for what they are,,, ( sadly this would appear to be a positive thing for the Audi fanboys who seem to desire a 1 car market,,, rest easy it may be here soon clone)
3 As for F1, go and actually LOOK and READ the cold, dead Audi response and then comment so smugly about the engineering prowess of this marketing group who employ engineers!
4 Go and take a non-biased look at what is happening to motorsport thanks to the knock-on effects corporate domination has had, and if you cant see the problem here no-one can help you understand ALL MONOPOLY is bad (NO, not the game Dilbert).
TBH I actually find it quite incredible how anyone could be so blinded as to arrive at the conclusion written in the above box.
Unless you work for Audi, most probably in marketing. (lol in case you think thats a punt, marketers dont tend to have a sense of humour,,, it doesnt pay or destroy anything they dont own)
5 Ha, ha, haa, ahhh, haaaaa.
Thanks for that, Ive been needing a good laugh,,, any more jokes?
6 There is no-one on this earth who would, after looking at any modern Audi bar the pikes peak Quattro MARKETING concept, then credit the brand with a motorsport pedegree.
A STICKER department yes but motorsport,, no.
An EXECUTIVE pandering department yes but Motorsport,,,, hell no.
Even the aforementioned R8 is "executive sports" and not super at all, my Granny could peddle it as fast as you without breaking a sweat so little effort is required. It gets boring after an hour.
What is the point of it, what does a driver LEARN?
6 The fact of the matter is this, the Audi board actually do know better,,, thats why its so shameful and despicable they produce the fat, cynical cash cows they do and then spend astronomical amounts to punt these cows to the "image conscious" joe public at the detriment to everyone around them.
I think you are right actually, I really dont like Audi.
Audi raining down "cold death"?
Audi responsible for the demise of Lotus and TVR?
Audi's corporate domination of all motorsport?
R8 not a sports car?
Audi have no motorsport pedigree? Hang on, I could have sworn you just said Audi were responsible for the corporate domination of motorsport
Audi exploiting image conscious" Joe Public" (who are clearly just lobotomised drones incapable of indepenedent thought or reasoning)
Sorry but are you drunk or just a little bit mental?
You certainly seem very bitter. What's the real reason?
but Im no mug either,,,
Nice cherry picking with the subtle alterations to suit your cause by the way (are you sure your not in marketing?).
I wont be told what to think, f
k that, Ill leave that to you. I take offence at being told what to think by a cynical marketing enterprise, this becomes especially irritating when they treat me as though I am an utter imbecile in efforts to convert me into a fanboy.
There are plenty others who happily choose to excell at this,,,,, again see above.
I will not be told a chunk of s**t is a piece of gold,,,,,, however you hold it it still stinks nor will any mans life become enriched by it.
You believe in Audi all you want,
I dont,,,
I believe they suck and Ill tell you why.
I like proper cars not tat and I will continue to support manufacturers who provide us with cars that have substance over perceived quality/style thanks very much.
Parting thought,,,,
Audi foisted upon us silly daytime running lights,, it makes our cars look oh so cool and you will too,,,,
Just so happens they cause other drivers to take far less notice of ANY lights illuminated in the daytime,,,,,,
such as motorcyclists front visibility lights,
the ones motorcyclists RELY upon for their safety and possibly/probably their lives.
Sells a few more Audi units though and it looks so cool for you,,,,,
f
k the bikers eh?I thought Audi employed clever engineers,,,
So did they just not care or didnt they consider this?
Disingenuous doesnt quite cover it really, what do you reckon!
Pistonwot said:
Not bitter at all,
but Im no mug either,,,
Nice cherry picking with the subtle alterations to suit your cause by the way (are you sure your not in marketing?).
I wont be told what to think, fk that, Ill leave that to you.
I take offence at being told what to think by a cynical marketing enterprise, this becomes especially irritating when they treat me as though I am an utter imbecile in efforts to convert me into a fanboy.
There are plenty others who happily choose to excell at this,,,,, again see above.
I will not be told a chunk of s**t is a piece of gold,,,,,, however you hold it it still stinks nor will any mans life become enriched by it.
You believe in Audi all you want,
I dont,,,
I believe they suck and Ill tell you why.
I like proper cars not tat and I will continue to support manufacturers who provide us with cars that have substance over perceived quality/style thanks very much.
Parting thought,,,,
Audi foisted upon us silly daytime running lights,, it makes our cars look oh so cool and you will too,,,,
Just so happens they cause other drivers to take far less notice of ANY lights illuminated in the daytime,,,,,,
such as motorcyclists front visibility lights,
the ones motorcyclists RELY upon for their safety and possibly/probably their lives.
Sells a few more Audi units though and it looks so cool for you,,,,,
fk the bikers eh?
I thought Audi employed clever engineers,,,
So did they just not care or didnt they consider this?
Disingenuous doesnt quite cover it really, what do you reckon!
i think you need to look upbut Im no mug either,,,
Nice cherry picking with the subtle alterations to suit your cause by the way (are you sure your not in marketing?).
I wont be told what to think, f
k that, Ill leave that to you. I take offence at being told what to think by a cynical marketing enterprise, this becomes especially irritating when they treat me as though I am an utter imbecile in efforts to convert me into a fanboy.
There are plenty others who happily choose to excell at this,,,,, again see above.
I will not be told a chunk of s**t is a piece of gold,,,,,, however you hold it it still stinks nor will any mans life become enriched by it.
You believe in Audi all you want,
I dont,,,
I believe they suck and Ill tell you why.
I like proper cars not tat and I will continue to support manufacturers who provide us with cars that have substance over perceived quality/style thanks very much.
Parting thought,,,,
Audi foisted upon us silly daytime running lights,, it makes our cars look oh so cool and you will too,,,,
Just so happens they cause other drivers to take far less notice of ANY lights illuminated in the daytime,,,,,,
such as motorcyclists front visibility lights,
the ones motorcyclists RELY upon for their safety and possibly/probably their lives.
Sells a few more Audi units though and it looks so cool for you,,,,,
f
k the bikers eh?I thought Audi employed clever engineers,,,
So did they just not care or didnt they consider this?
Disingenuous doesnt quite cover it really, what do you reckon!
a) Volvos ethos for the last however many years
b)the EU rules on DRLs
Neither of which are much at all to do with Audi.
Pistonwot said:
Not bitter at all,
but Im no mug either,,,
Nice cherry picking with the subtle alterations to suit your cause by the way (are you sure your not in marketing?).
I wont be told what to think, fk that, Ill leave that to you.
I take offence at being told what to think by a cynical marketing enterprise, this becomes especially irritating when they treat me as though I am an utter imbecile in efforts to convert me into a fanboy.
There are plenty others who happily choose to excell at this,,,,, again see above.
I will not be told a chunk of s**t is a piece of gold,,,,,, however you hold it it still stinks nor will any mans life become enriched by it.
You believe in Audi all you want,
I dont,,,
I believe they suck and Ill tell you why.
I like proper cars not tat and I will continue to support manufacturers who provide us with cars that have substance over perceived quality/style thanks very much.
Parting thought,,,,
Audi foisted upon us silly daytime running lights,, it makes our cars look oh so cool and you will too,,,,
Just so happens they cause other drivers to take far less notice of ANY lights illuminated in the daytime,,,,,,
such as motorcyclists front visibility lights,
the ones motorcyclists RELY upon for their safety and possibly/probably their lives.
Sells a few more Audi units though and it looks so cool for you,,,,,
fk the bikers eh?
I thought Audi employed clever engineers,,,
So did they just not care or didnt they consider this?
Disingenuous doesnt quite cover it really, what do you reckon!
The biker/daytime lights point is grossly unfair. Volvo's have had daytime lights for years. In fact, in many European countries it is now a legal requirement for new cars. So, to say that Audi foisted them on us simply because they 'looked cool' is plain wrong.but Im no mug either,,,
Nice cherry picking with the subtle alterations to suit your cause by the way (are you sure your not in marketing?).
I wont be told what to think, f
k that, Ill leave that to you. I take offence at being told what to think by a cynical marketing enterprise, this becomes especially irritating when they treat me as though I am an utter imbecile in efforts to convert me into a fanboy.
There are plenty others who happily choose to excell at this,,,,, again see above.
I will not be told a chunk of s**t is a piece of gold,,,,,, however you hold it it still stinks nor will any mans life become enriched by it.
You believe in Audi all you want,
I dont,,,
I believe they suck and Ill tell you why.
I like proper cars not tat and I will continue to support manufacturers who provide us with cars that have substance over perceived quality/style thanks very much.
Parting thought,,,,
Audi foisted upon us silly daytime running lights,, it makes our cars look oh so cool and you will too,,,,
Just so happens they cause other drivers to take far less notice of ANY lights illuminated in the daytime,,,,,,
such as motorcyclists front visibility lights,
the ones motorcyclists RELY upon for their safety and possibly/probably their lives.
Sells a few more Audi units though and it looks so cool for you,,,,,
f
k the bikers eh?I thought Audi employed clever engineers,,,
So did they just not care or didnt they consider this?
Disingenuous doesnt quite cover it really, what do you reckon!
As to whether the increase in the number of cars running with daytime lights has affected biker safety, that is pure speculation. Do you have any facts that could back this up? I thought not. You've just tried to an inject an emotional element to your argument to portray Audi as the big bad wolf. It appears you are so blinded by your irrational hatred of the brand you're now making stuff up. That is what I would call disingenuous.
Obviously you've made your mind up about Audi, which is fine, the world would be a dull place if we all liked the same things but I just object to some of the simplistic and factually incorrect generalisations you made. Sure, some elements of automotive marketing can grate but this is an accusation you can level at EVERY single manufacturer e.g. Switz Beatz & Lotus, Vettel & Infiniti, BMW & the Olympics etc. etc.
We're clearly not getting anywhere with this exchange so probably best we leave it there.
mcdjl said:
Pistonwot said:
Not bitter at all,
but Im no mug either,,,
Nice cherry picking with the subtle alterations to suit your cause by the way (are you sure your not in marketing?).
I wont be told what to think, fk that, Ill leave that to you.
I take offence at being told what to think by a cynical marketing enterprise, this becomes especially irritating when they treat me as though I am an utter imbecile in efforts to convert me into a fanboy.
There are plenty others who happily choose to excell at this,,,,, again see above.
I will not be told a chunk of s**t is a piece of gold,,,,,, however you hold it it still stinks nor will any mans life become enriched by it.
You believe in Audi all you want,
I dont,,,
I believe they suck and Ill tell you why.
I like proper cars not tat and I will continue to support manufacturers who provide us with cars that have substance over perceived quality/style thanks very much.
Parting thought,,,,
Audi foisted upon us silly daytime running lights,, it makes our cars look oh so cool and you will too,,,,
Just so happens they cause other drivers to take far less notice of ANY lights illuminated in the daytime,,,,,,
such as motorcyclists front visibility lights,
the ones motorcyclists RELY upon for their safety and possibly/probably their lives.
Sells a few more Audi units though and it looks so cool for you,,,,,
fk the bikers eh?
I thought Audi employed clever engineers,,,
So did they just not care or didnt they consider this?
Disingenuous doesnt quite cover it really, what do you reckon!
i think you need to look upbut Im no mug either,,,
Nice cherry picking with the subtle alterations to suit your cause by the way (are you sure your not in marketing?).
I wont be told what to think, f
k that, Ill leave that to you. I take offence at being told what to think by a cynical marketing enterprise, this becomes especially irritating when they treat me as though I am an utter imbecile in efforts to convert me into a fanboy.
There are plenty others who happily choose to excell at this,,,,, again see above.
I will not be told a chunk of s**t is a piece of gold,,,,,, however you hold it it still stinks nor will any mans life become enriched by it.
You believe in Audi all you want,
I dont,,,
I believe they suck and Ill tell you why.
I like proper cars not tat and I will continue to support manufacturers who provide us with cars that have substance over perceived quality/style thanks very much.
Parting thought,,,,
Audi foisted upon us silly daytime running lights,, it makes our cars look oh so cool and you will too,,,,
Just so happens they cause other drivers to take far less notice of ANY lights illuminated in the daytime,,,,,,
such as motorcyclists front visibility lights,
the ones motorcyclists RELY upon for their safety and possibly/probably their lives.
Sells a few more Audi units though and it looks so cool for you,,,,,
f
k the bikers eh?I thought Audi employed clever engineers,,,
So did they just not care or didnt they consider this?
Disingenuous doesnt quite cover it really, what do you reckon!
a) Volvos ethos for the last however many years
b)the EU rules on DRLs
Neither of which are much at all to do with Audi.
Volvo are safety orientated and as such do not use the full light FOR A REASON
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