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entropy
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LDN
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72 months
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Just watched it, beautifully done; the way they followed the families fortunes. Shame about the one boy. Couldn't help but notice them all leaning into the corners when it should've been out!
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joema
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He seemed to have a troubled up bringing but was a good driver and was great seeing him do well. I think he's still going, googled him.
Hes got a really good granddad.
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S3_Graham
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68 months
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joema said: He seemed to have a troubled up bringing but was a good driver and was great seeing him do well. I think he's still going, googled him.
Hes got a really good granddad. Still going? Interesting, he seemed pretty set on military school when the show ended. Not sure about the lean on ovals too. I bet there isn't as much bogging down. Fairly easy to keep up momentum I bet!
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woof
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146 months
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Good little documentary - karting kind of takes a back seat to the actual stories of these kids, which makes for an interesting show. Though it does show why the yanks don't make great racing drivers, or least one's that can turn right - karting on an oval circuit ? Wonder if Zoolander had the same issue ?!
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Stuck In A Lift
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entropy
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Glad guys here enjoyed it, even though its NASCAR/oval racing centric. woof said: Good little documentary - karting kind of takes a back seat to the actual stories of these kids, which makes for an interesting show. Though it does show why the yanks don't make great racing drivers, or least one's that can turn right - karting on an oval circuit ? Wonder if Zoolander had the same issue ?! Showed you how big NASCAR is. The kids idolise the NASCAR guys and want to race ovals and have that background. I'm guessing you don't know much about the US scene. You'd be surprised how a big deal it is over there. For instance, did you night racing with flood lights originates from oval racing? Friday/Saturday night racing on the 1/4 mile dirt tracks then NASCAR used that idea for the big ovals then Moto GP & F1 want to replicate the spectacle. Stuck In A Lift said: Nice! One of the kids in ASA and trying to race in ARCA. No surprise it was going to be Josh.
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marshall100
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70 months
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It's a great documentary. Wondered why it'd taken a while for a thread about it to pop up on here tbh.
It also puts things into perspective. As a racer, and a parent of a couple of keen racers (quad bikes) you do see the potential pitfalls and concerns about heading down a particular route with your offspring. I kind of want to shelter the boys from the underlying pressure you see the kids under in this kind of environment.
And I also don't have a bank balance big enough to support the level of ambition that might be born out of their riding.
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woof
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entropy - I think you missed my sacasm in my comment.
I'm well aware that Nascar is huge but I am surprised that they have a karting series that is purely based on short ovals. Let's be honest about this, that racing a kart of those short ovals needs little skill and therefore isn't the best training ground for a young racer. But this doesn't distract that this is a great documentary that I really enjoyed.
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entropy
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woof said: entropy - I think you missed my sacasm in my comment.
I'm well aware that Nascar is huge but I am surprised that they have a karting series that is purely based on short ovals. Let's be honest about this, that racing a kart of those short ovals needs little skill and therefore isn't the best training ground for a young racer. Another Ignoramus remark. And I doubt you were being sarcastic first time round. Karting helps with racecraft and discipline. If you were watching it then you would have noticed this was defined in one of the kids - Brandon - who was hot headed and getting himself in trouble. His great uncle gave him strict instructions at the end "no DQ". He had a reputation as a controversial racer. He was thought to be the cause of a huge accident. Cf. the Busch brothers who have disclinary problems in NASCAR. Kurt is in the last chance saloon racing for a back of the grid team and Kyle almost lost a major sponsor last year.
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Stuck In A Lift
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woof said: entropy - I think you missed my sacasm in my comment.
I'm well aware that Nascar is huge but I am surprised that they have a karting series that is purely based on short ovals. Let's be honest about this, that racing a kart of those short ovals needs little skill and therefore isn't the best training ground for a young racer. But this doesn't distract that this is a great documentary that I really enjoyed. Are you saying that you don't think there is any skill in oval racing, or just the karting part of it?
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woof
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Just to give you a little background on myself - only 15years of racing (there's a lot people more experienced than me) and a part time race coach (part time because I run a company and I do the coaching for fun).
Karting is a terrific starting place for anyone who wants to understand the basics of kart/car control and learn race craft, when done on a normal karting circuit, eg ones with left and right corners and ideally more than 2 of them.
Big boy oval racing requires a different skill set to normal circuit racing. I'm not saying that it doesn't require any skill.
Once again - terrific documentary, well worth a watch
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SlipStream77
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60 months
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woof said: Karting is a terrific starting place for anyone who wants to understand the basics of kart/car control and learn race craft, when done on a normal karting circuit, eg ones with left and right corners and ideally more than 2 of them.
Big boy oval racing requires a different skill set to normal circuit racing. I'm not saying that it doesn't require any skill. I still don't see why you don't consider karting as a useful precursor to oval racing. They are going to learn lines, drafting and how to minimise scrubbing, all critical in oval racing.
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entropy
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woof said: Just to give you a little background on myself - only 15years of racing (there's a lot people more experienced than me) and a part time race coach (part time because I run a company and I do the coaching for fun).
Karting is a terrific starting place for anyone who wants to understand the basics of kart/car control and learn race craft, when done on a normal karting circuit, eg ones with left and right corners and ideally more than 2 of them.
Big boy oval racing requires a different skill set to normal circuit racing. I'm not saying that it doesn't require any skill. Shows you don't know much about oval racing. To the untrained eye the small ovals all look the same but they're not. The kids don't suddenly jump from short oval karting to stock cars running style 1.5 mile ovals. Grassroots/low to mid to high-ish level its mainly short tracks ie. under mile in length, usually 1/2 and 1/4 mile tracks. One of the kids - Josh - is now racing ASA and they race on short tracks. He wants to move up to ARCA and that's things get serious and race the bigger ovals like Daytona.
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