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btcc123
92 posts
16 months
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Originally I was told 750k but later confirmed at 600k.Also at the same time it was agreed 350k for year two.
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decadence
502 posts
27 months
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Wow 600k to race an MG thats not as good as your team mates. Neate is bad but im sure not THAT bad.
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rubystone
7,059 posts
128 months
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Andy Neate - £600k? Lightbulbs pay well don't they!!!!!
Oh and does he use Grecian 2000 by any chance?....
Isn't Knockhill a superb track? I would love to drive it - such a shame it's a long way from me.
Does anyone know whether Newsham's Vectra is Gio's title winning chassis? It's clearly very well developed!
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EDLT
Original Poster
14,583 posts
75 months
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rubystone said: Andy Neate - £600k? Lightbulbs pay well don't they!!!!!
Oh and does he use Grecian 2000 by any chance?....
Isn't Knockhill a superb track? I would love to drive it - such a shame it's a long way from me.
Does anyone know whether Newsham's Vectra is Gio's title winning chassis? It's clearly very well developed! I think all of the factory Vectras had pretty much the same. He probably bought the straightest one.
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decadence
502 posts
27 months
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I must say im getting a bit fed up with all this ToCA fiddling around with boost levels to make 'fair' close racing (ironic considering some of the drivers views on it), let the teams develop the cars/ turbos etc and if they happen to dominate then so be it, ok keep rules in place but not this weight system etc. It makes a bit of a mockery of racing sometimes.
Motorsport is about best car / driver package and more so best car so why should Honda spend more work harder and then get penalised for it so other lesser teams can play?
Other teams should be made to catch up not the other way round! BTW im no honda fan....alfa romeo...and look how they got penalised when they showed the BTCC boys how to race to win...
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P I Staker
2,319 posts
25 months
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Agree with the last to an extent, the boost levels seem like a step too far. In the past few years that I remember success ballast has mostly worked well and I think if they kept the ballast and lost the boost changes it would be a better race series for it.
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BMR
540 posts
47 months
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moanthebairns said: D_G said: DanDC5 said: decadence said: p.s. is Liam Griffin the worst ever BTCC driver ever? No. I want to say Andy Neate or Adam Morgan are just as bad if not worse, the most either contribute to a race weekend is a safety car period as yet again they've crashed. Neate is a waste of a good car, Morgan is a waste of a Ginetta scholarship IMO. I've been thinking the same, I assume Neate not only pays for his seat but also contributes to the overall team? He brings nothing but embarrassment on the track and the only thing it does for the team (which may be the key here) is make Plato look good. I'm surprised that they haven't pitched two good drivers though as they have little chance of winning the team title as the Honda pair are much stronger. Put a decent driver into his MG and they've got a good shot at it. My favourite part of the weekend was standing at the MG garage whilst a young boy approached. He got out his programme and asks this first person he sees (Andy Neate) "when will the drivers be out can I get them to sign my programme". Andy kinda looks around and sees the mechanic and me starting to laugh. the mechanic tells him that Andy is a driver actually. The wee boy is having none of it and asks who he is, when he is told he is Andy Neate and shows him his picture in the programme he responds. "Whens Plato coming out I meant Plato". I was in stiches so was a press photographer. Least he signed his programme for the lad. At least we now know why he had a bad weekend on track. 
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IainW
1,229 posts
44 months
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AMD87 said: He wouldnt say we had to guess,tbh it didnt strike me as a dtype but then i found this http://www.racingmodels.com/jaguar---tojeiro-xk--e...and it looks just like it but cant seem to find pics of the orginal, he did say that it had been driven to lemans though maybe something for the ph classic bods to look into  Question asked in the classics forum! Looks stunning, whatever it is. I'm assuming the alleged price of Andy Neate's drive comes from having to pay for the actual build of the car? That's one of the highest prices I've heard of. I did hear a story doing the rounds once, about a certain driver of wealthy parentage who drove for 888 in 05 and 06, paid them around £500k, only for some of it to be given back as a "salary". You know what paddock whispers are like though.
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marshal_alan
253 posts
47 months
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sounds about right for 888, fact is that if you are running as a privateer you have to buy the car, truck and gear, okay in the days of btc spec you could get a car for 25k and okay truck for 20k but still have entry fees, spares, tyres, fuel. think Martin Johnson was still about 100k and he had the truck and that was running with mates spannering. look at a clio budget nowadays 80k, ginetta 120k, porsche 150k, even doing btcc on the cheap with a S2000 car you are looking at 250k (that is the figure I have heard newsham is paying ES) to run with a NGTC built from scratch you must be looking at 350-400k assuming you dont have much damage. Could reckon that the figure for neate at 600k is about accurate but andy wants to go racing so who are we to say he is wrong
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EDLT
Original Poster
14,583 posts
75 months
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marshal_alan said: sounds about right for 888, fact is that if you are running as a privateer you have to buy the car, truck and gear, okay in the days of btc spec you could get a car for 25k and okay truck for 20k but still have entry fees, spares, tyres, fuel. think Martin Johnson was still about 100k and he had the truck and that was running with mates spannering. look at a clio budget nowadays 80k, ginetta 120k, porsche 150k, even doing btcc on the cheap with a S2000 car you are looking at 250k (that is the figure I have heard newsham is paying ES) to run with a NGTC built from scratch you must be looking at 350-400k assuming you dont have much damage. Could reckon that the figure for neate at 600k is about accurate but andy wants to go racing so who are we to say he is wrong £25,000 for a BTCC car, how long ago was this - 1970? Got to love the numbers that are thrown around when people talk about money in motor racing.
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AMD87
1,388 posts
71 months
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emicen
5,693 posts
87 months
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrLh5SgjL6cOnboard footage from this Sunday's BTCC support race at Knockhill Racing Circuit in the Celtic Speed Mini Cooper Cup. Good start but Kenny Brewster got to Duffus first and Steven Brewster snuck through as well. Chaos for a few laps with the occasional shove along from my team mate David Sleigh, before Steven got past George Orr with an epic save through the chicance. Few laps later I stuck a ridiculously late dive in on George, just managed to haul it up and get round the hairpin and took off after Steven. No catching him though, he was just too far gone.
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EDLT
Original Poster
14,583 posts
75 months
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AMD87 said: You can't race either of those cars in the BTCC, which is why they are so cheap. The Civic has the wrong engine and gearbox in it too. There is a Vectra (which is still to spec*) on there for £60k though.
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Chris Sideways
262 posts
121 months
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God it makes me feel poor reading those numbers I need to know where all that dough is coming from so can we get a list going of what business these guys (there Daddy's) are into,I take it Andy Neate is in light bulbs
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btcc123
92 posts
16 months
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You could probably buy a Vectra for 45k without an engine as I belive the turbo engines can only be leased from the engine suppliers.
The cost of the engine,running the team,tyres,bodywork,BTCC fees etc and including the 45k car I wouldnt be suprised if it cost you 200k.
Last year to race for 888 with a Vectra without owning the car was in the region of 250k.
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IainW
1,229 posts
44 months
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Chris Sideways said: God it makes me feel poor reading those numbers I need to know where all that dough is coming from so can we get a list going of what business these guys (there Daddy's) are into,I take it Andy Neate is in light bulbs He is Chief Technical Director for Ceravision Technologies in Bletchley Park. Jason Plato has his own marketing company Brand Pilot Matt Neal is Group Marketing Director for Rimstock Alloy Wheels the family company Gordon Shedden works at Knockhill as commercial director Jeff Smith is MD of Industrial Control Distributors Tony Gilham owns his own garage Rob Collard owns R.Collard Demolition Nick Foster is MD of Contour Electronics Mat Jackson works as a tester for McLaren's roadcar division and the family business is Jacksons Ford dealership Aron Smith's father owns a building supplies company and plant hire company in Dublin Liam Griffin is MD of Addison Lee Chris James is MD of Electro Services Dave Newsham is MD of Norscot Vending Tony Hughes is MD of Hughes Safety Showers Most of the others like TO-C, Ollie Jackson, Lea Wood, Frank Wrathall, Adam Morgan, Dan Welch etc will do instruction and manufacturer corporate stuff or have some sort of job relating to the motor industry. Guys who have to hunt for sponsors and aren't born into it or own the company that pays for it.
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decadence
502 posts
27 months
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just add that Liam griffins daddy owns Addison lee and little Liam is md on a massive wage. google Liam griffin and you'll see that he and his dad are cocks who treat their staff like s  te. Liam would struggle to drive one of his daddy's taxis in a straight line let alone a BTCC car.. plank.
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Wh00sher
509 posts
87 months
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marshal_alan said: ... but xxx wants to go racing so who are we to say he is wrong If I had enough money spare and could afford the entry fees to a series of my choice, I`d certainly do it. The guys have some money and pay to go racing, its just higher profile than weekend racers you`d find at any circuit in the country. Good luck to em I say.
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XDA
1,838 posts
54 months
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decadence said: I must say im getting a bit fed up with all this ToCA fiddling around with boost levels to make 'fair' close racing (ironic considering some of the drivers views on it), let the teams develop the cars/ turbos etc and if they happen to dominate then so be it, ok keep rules in place but not this weight system etc. It makes a bit of a mockery of racing sometimes.
Motorsport is about best car / driver package and more so best car so why should Honda spend more work harder and then get penalised for it so other lesser teams can play?
Other teams should be made to catch up not the other way round! BTW im no honda fan....alfa romeo...and look how they got penalised when they showed the BTCC boys how to race to win...
Probably done to try and keep Plato quiet. Not that it's worked...
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2GOOD
136 posts
106 months
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IainW said: He is Chief Technical Director for Ceravision Technologies in Bletchley Park.
Jason Plato has his own marketing company Brand Pilot
Matt Neal is Group Marketing Director for Rimstock Alloy Wheels the family company
Gordon Shedden works at Knockhill as commercial director
Jeff Smith is MD of Industrial Control Distributors
Tony Gilham owns his own garage
Rob Collard owns R.Collard Demolition
Nick Foster is MD of Contour Electronics
Mat Jackson works as a tester for McLaren's roadcar division and the family business is Jacksons Ford dealership
Aron Smith's father owns a building supplies company and plant hire company in Dublin
Liam Griffin is MD of Addison Lee
Chris James is MD of Electro Services
Dave Newsham is MD of Norscot Vending
Tony Hughes is MD of Hughes Safety Showers
Most of the others like TO-C, Ollie Jackson, Lea Wood, Frank Wrathall, Adam Morgan, Dan Welch etc will do instruction and manufacturer corporate stuff or have some sort of job relating to the motor industry. Guys who have to hunt for sponsors and aren't born into it or own the company that pays for it. Frank Wrathall's dad (Frank Wrathall snr) is Dynojet UK Ollie Jackson (The Wookie) works at Lotus IIRC & TOC was working long hours at a corporate do at Rockingham a few weeks back & was able to remind me that I have no hidden talent whatsoever behind a steering wheel.
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