Hamilton to Mercedes
Discussion
TheHeretic said:
DanDC5 said:
As for drivers I'd like see moving next year, Perez to Ferrari and Kobayashi to partner Button at Mclaren.
Could see that happening! Would love to see Kobi at McLaren.
Streps said:
Ross Brawn said a few months ago;
Who ever signs with Mercedes for next year will be there at least until 2014
(due to the transition in the engine regulations..they want a stable driver pairing for feedback etc)
Can Schumacher go on until 2014.. does he want to be locked into a contract for that time?
Probably the reason why he is giving it a bit of time to think about it.
Mercedes Board are probably dissapointed by the lack of success,they may push for a driver like Hamilton.
Once they get rid of the late Honda era esque unreliability that has sadly shown it's head again within the team...
Do you really think the Merc board are going to tolerate 'the team cost me a win! COCKS!' etc when the wheels fall off? and what kind of a record does he have when it comes to car and engine development?Who ever signs with Mercedes for next year will be there at least until 2014
(due to the transition in the engine regulations..they want a stable driver pairing for feedback etc)
Can Schumacher go on until 2014.. does he want to be locked into a contract for that time?
Probably the reason why he is giving it a bit of time to think about it.
Mercedes Board are probably dissapointed by the lack of success,they may push for a driver like Hamilton.
Once they get rid of the late Honda era esque unreliability that has sadly shown it's head again within the team...
Can't see him fitting the image.
DanDC5 said:
I think they'd work really well together in all seriousness. A nice mix of experience and a raw pace. He seems to have stopped making as many mistakes recently, still races hard but seems to be learning where to pick his battles a bit more. And as a bonus it'd be my 2 favourite drivers in the same team
Plus the cost in bits of carbon fibre cant be much more than Lewis lolIt would also give them a chance of Japanese sponsers and a stab at the Japanese market. I understand Jenson is quite popular over there already.
captainsensible said:
That tweet at the weekend was the behaviour of someone that has done a deal somwhere else - it was too cocky and absolutely gauranteed to make Whitmarsh and the rest of the team go cross eyed - LH absolutely knew he was leaving Mclaren when he did that.
To me, that did absolutely smack of "up yours" to Mclaren. Jenson is in the number 3 car despite Lewis being the Mclaren golden boy.
captainsensible said:
Schumacher is def on his way - the Ecclestone senile gaff said it all - and LH to Merc.
I think it's hard to come to any conclusion other than Schumi is out after that!Is it just me, or is Lewis actually in a piss poor negotiating position? Since winning the WDC he has placed 5th, 4th, 5th, foul attitude, constantly insulting the team (granted they have made mistakes but IMO his attitude is uncalled for) and I think he has too much going on in his private life.
I'd love to see LH move. He's at a place that has been grooming themsleves for him and him for them for years and as has been said, its stagnated. I think both parties are slightly complacent at the moment. The team have been at times woeful in their execution of strategy and pitstops, with LH at times having to try and win in spite of their efforts, rather than thanks to to them. And exposure to a different team philosophy, management style and the benefit of other people's experience will be just the refresher he needs.
He NEEDS to do that in order grow in to a more complete driver. You cant waltz into Ferarri (for instance) like your s
t doesnt stink, they've seen it all and arent phased by it. You cant bowl up to Ross Brawn's place like you have nothing to learn. And you cant arrive at Williams believing that being "a precocious talent" is going to be an adequate excuse for your immaturity.
He needs another dimension mentally to complete him as a driver. He's clearly not getting that dimension at Maccas.
ETA: McLaren could do a lot worse than Ricciardo I think, if Red Bull will release him from their grip. I fear he will lose his window if he doesnt get a top drive very soon and beig an Aussie, he will need all the help he can get (which admittedly, might be at Red Bull).
He NEEDS to do that in order grow in to a more complete driver. You cant waltz into Ferarri (for instance) like your s
t doesnt stink, they've seen it all and arent phased by it. You cant bowl up to Ross Brawn's place like you have nothing to learn. And you cant arrive at Williams believing that being "a precocious talent" is going to be an adequate excuse for your immaturity.He needs another dimension mentally to complete him as a driver. He's clearly not getting that dimension at Maccas.
ETA: McLaren could do a lot worse than Ricciardo I think, if Red Bull will release him from their grip. I fear he will lose his window if he doesnt get a top drive very soon and beig an Aussie, he will need all the help he can get (which admittedly, might be at Red Bull).
Edited by Reardy Mister on Thursday 6th September 13:53
Nick1point9 said:
I think it's hard to come to any conclusion other than Schumi is out after that!
Is it just me, or is Lewis actually in a piss poor negotiating position? Since winning the WDC he has placed 5th, 4th, 5th, foul attitude, constantly insulting the team (granted they have made mistakes but IMO his attitude is uncalled for) and I think he has too much going on in his private life.
Never did Alonso any harm before penning deal with Santandar and Ferrari after his dissapointing and scandalous spell at Mclaren then onto Renault. Some drivers are just box office and worth it. Look at the amount of threads and chat about Hamilton over the last few weeks. Lewis & Alonso will always be in the greater negotiating positions no matter what is said and done.Is it just me, or is Lewis actually in a piss poor negotiating position? Since winning the WDC he has placed 5th, 4th, 5th, foul attitude, constantly insulting the team (granted they have made mistakes but IMO his attitude is uncalled for) and I think he has too much going on in his private life.
P.S. I dont think he is going anywhere to be honest and will sign deal at Mclaren.
Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Thursday 6th September 13:53
Wanta996Gotta said:
Never did Alonso any harm before penning deal with Santandar and Ferrari after his dissapointing and scandalous spell at Mclaren then onto Renault. Some drivers are just box office and worth it. Look at the amount of threads and chat about Hamilton over the last few weeks. Lewis & Alonso will always be in the greater negotiating positions no matter what is said and done.
What I was trying to get across is that Hamilton's results don't back up a lot of people's opinion of him. Alonso on the other hand was in a st car for 2 years following coming 1st 1st 3rd from 2005-2007. And immediately got himself to 2nd and 4th in the 3rd best car.All season LH has been banging on about how good the enstone team (Lotus /Renault) have been. I am surprised he is not trying to get himself in there. LH and Kimi would make one hell of a unpredictable team 
If dwarf said at Spa that Shui is leaving then I imagine thats pretty much whats going to be happening. Wether LH goes to Merc remains to be seen. I do however think this story has legs in it. Both LH and Merc would benefit hugely from this deal in a commercial sense its 50/50, in my mind, if this could translate to on track success. However Ross Brawn knows his stuff and if he was to take LH under his wing then he could turn a very good racer into a racing legend. LH does have the potential to achieve this IF he could get his mind in the right place.
If dwarf said at Spa that Shui is leaving then I imagine thats pretty much whats going to be happening. Wether LH goes to Merc remains to be seen. I do however think this story has legs in it. Both LH and Merc would benefit hugely from this deal in a commercial sense its 50/50, in my mind, if this could translate to on track success. However Ross Brawn knows his stuff and if he was to take LH under his wing then he could turn a very good racer into a racing legend. LH does have the potential to achieve this IF he could get his mind in the right place.
Reardy Mister said:
I'd love to see LH move. He's at a place that has been grooming themsleves for him and him for them for years and as has been said, its stagnated. I think both parties are slightly complacent at the moment. The team have been at times woeful in their execution of strategy and pitstops, with LH at times having to try and win in spite of their efforts, rather than thanks to to them. And exposure to a different team philosophy, management style and the benefit of other people's experience will be just the refresher he needs.
He NEEDS to do that in order grow in to a more complete driver. You cant waltz into Ferarri (for instance) like your st doesnt stink, they've seen it all and arent phased by it. You cant bowl up to Ross Brawn's place like you have nothing to learn. And you cant arrive at Williams believing that being "a precocious talent" is going to be an adequate excuse for your immaturity.
He needs another dimension mentally to complete him as a driver. He's clearly not getting that dimension at Maccas.
ETA: McLaren could do a lot worse than Ricciardo I think, if Red Bull will release him from their grip. I fear he will lose his window if he doesnt get a top drive very soon and beig an Aussie, he will need all the help he can get (which admittedly, might be at Red Bull).
Spot on. He's been at McLaren for too long, I think, and the relationship's got stale. he needs to go somewhere which will challenge him, though whether Mercedes is entirely the right place is a moot point; they've got the right basics, but whether he's good enough to be a proper team leader (as opposed to simply being an exceptional driver) is a question that no-one knows right now.He NEEDS to do that in order grow in to a more complete driver. You cant waltz into Ferarri (for instance) like your s
t doesnt stink, they've seen it all and arent phased by it. You cant bowl up to Ross Brawn's place like you have nothing to learn. And you cant arrive at Williams believing that being "a precocious talent" is going to be an adequate excuse for your immaturity.He needs another dimension mentally to complete him as a driver. He's clearly not getting that dimension at Maccas.
ETA: McLaren could do a lot worse than Ricciardo I think, if Red Bull will release him from their grip. I fear he will lose his window if he doesnt get a top drive very soon and beig an Aussie, he will need all the help he can get (which admittedly, might be at Red Bull).
Edited by Reardy Mister on Thursday 6th September 13:53
A make or break decision, I'd say, but it'll be the one opportunity he'll get in his career to build a team in the way that Schumacher (and, arguably, Alonso) managed at Ferrari. If it doesn't work out....well, Button managed to rejuvenate his career after years in the doldrums, and if the Mercedes deal goes utterly pear-shaped over the next few years, Lewis will always be able to get back into a top team, though maybe not on the terms he'd like.
Reardy Mister said:
I'd love to see LH move. He's at a place that has been grooming themsleves for him and him for them for years and as has been said, its stagnated. I think both parties are slightly complacent at the moment. The team have been at times woeful in their execution of strategy and pitstops, with LH at times having to try and win in spite of their efforts, rather than thanks to to them. And exposure to a different team philosophy, management style and the benefit of other people's experience will be just the refresher he needs.
He NEEDS to do that in order grow in to a more complete driver. You cant waltz into Ferarri (for instance) like your st doesnt stink, they've seen it all and arent phased by it. You cant bowl up to Ross Brawn's place like you have nothing to learn. And you cant arrive at Williams believing that being "a precocious talent" is going to be an adequate excuse for your immaturity.
He needs another dimension mentally to complete him as a driver. He's clearly not getting that dimension at Maccas.
Probably one of the most sensible posts I've read on here for a while.He NEEDS to do that in order grow in to a more complete driver. You cant waltz into Ferarri (for instance) like your s
t doesnt stink, they've seen it all and arent phased by it. You cant bowl up to Ross Brawn's place like you have nothing to learn. And you cant arrive at Williams believing that being "a precocious talent" is going to be an adequate excuse for your immaturity.He needs another dimension mentally to complete him as a driver. He's clearly not getting that dimension at Maccas.
For me, I think the Twitter mishap at the weekend perfectly illustrated Lewis' current situation in the context of the above post; sometimes when you have been with a team/company for so long you (often subconsciously or instinctively) think you can get away with things.
A move would do Lewis the world of good. A move to the right team would definitely see him as WDC again.
All IMHO!
Edited by snorkel sucker on Thursday 6th September 14:28
Nick1point9 said:
What I was trying to get across is that Hamilton's results don't back up a lot of people's opinion of him. Alonso on the other hand was in a st car for 2 years following coming 1st 1st 3rd from 2005-2007. And immediately got himself to 2nd and 4th in the 3rd best car.
A crap car that still reached the end of the race - this is the thing. Lewis's point loss is often for other reasons, and now he seems to have stopped taking the risks which put him out too.t car for 2 years following coming 1st 1st 3rd from 2005-2007. And immediately got himself to 2nd and 4th in the 3rd best car.captainsensible said:
Very very credible story - LH has got right up Mclaren's nose recently and he seems much more interested in a media career than spending time like JB with engineers etc - his form has been poor and that has been laid at the feet of the team - maybe so but he seems mentally all over the place - compare to Alonso who you've got to admire for his 'inclusive' attitude with his team - very similar to Schumacher's approach (before he retired for the first time!.
Eh? Is this the same LH whose poor form still puts him ahead of JB on points? The LH who is still on contention for the WDC? The same Lewis that would be a minimum double WDC if it wasnt for McLaren's buffoonery? The LH who as an F1 novice beat a 2 time WDC in equal cars?As for all this twaddle about who he has in his pitbox who cares? We don't have uproar when Capello, Atkinson, Button senior, Prince someone of somewhere or any other WAG shows their face. I'd rather see a pussy cat doll than any of those lot!!
Anyone who thinks the likes of Algurasari and Button are the way to go need their heads read! One of them isn't even good enough for a drive in a low/mid table team and the other whilst capable and pretty sharp isn't a real contender for anything other than the odd win and a few points, a No2 driver at the very best.
Nick1point9 said:
What I was trying to get across is that Hamilton's results don't back up a lot of people's opinion of him. Alonso on the other hand was in a st car for 2 years following coming 1st 1st 3rd from 2005-2007. And immediately got himself to 2nd and 4th in the 3rd best car.
Mclaren was'nt making Q3 in 2009/2010 remember so i dont get your point? He was second in 2007 and 1st in 2008. Alonso has done F-all since he won at Renault in 2006. Sure he has won a few races since but so has Lewis.t car for 2 years following coming 1st 1st 3rd from 2005-2007. And immediately got himself to 2nd and 4th in the 3rd best car.Alonso tangled up with the Ferrari's secret data was a complete disgrace and he was let off lightly then signed by the team that wanted Mclarens blood over the documents - you really couldnt make it up. Involvement with Pique's crash? We will never know but i wouldnt put it passed him. Did any of that stop Ferrari and Santandar backing him???
Also bare in mind Lewis was 2 points behind Vettel before Spa and is favourite to win this weekend with the bookies. There is still a long way to go this year.
disco1 said:
Eh? Is this the same LH whose poor form still puts him ahead of JB on points? The LH who is still on contention for the WDC? The same Lewis that would be a minimum double WDC if it wasnt for McLaren's buffoonery? The LH who as an F1 novice beat a 2 time WDC in equal cars?
As for all this twaddle about who he has in his pitbox who cares? We don't have uproar when Capello, Atkinson, Button senior, Prince someone of somewhere or any other WAG shows their face. I'd rather see a pussy cat doll than any of those lot!!
Anyone who thinks the likes of Algurasari and Button are the way to go need their heads read! One of them isn't even good enough for a drive in a low/mid table team and the other whilst capable and pretty sharp isn't a real contender for anything other than the odd win and a few points, a No2 driver at the very best.
Great Post! Tottaly agree.As for all this twaddle about who he has in his pitbox who cares? We don't have uproar when Capello, Atkinson, Button senior, Prince someone of somewhere or any other WAG shows their face. I'd rather see a pussy cat doll than any of those lot!!
Anyone who thinks the likes of Algurasari and Button are the way to go need their heads read! One of them isn't even good enough for a drive in a low/mid table team and the other whilst capable and pretty sharp isn't a real contender for anything other than the odd win and a few points, a No2 driver at the very best.
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