Hamilton to Mercedes
Discussion
disco1 said:
Eh? Is this the same LH whose poor form still puts him ahead of JB on points? The LH who is still on contention for the WDC? The same Lewis that would be a minimum double WDC if it wasnt for McLaren's buffoonery? The LH who as an F1 novice beat a 2 time WDC in equal cars?
As for all this twaddle about who he has in his pitbox who cares? We don't have uproar when Capello, Atkinson, Button senior, Prince someone of somewhere or any other WAG shows their face. I'd rather see a pussy cat doll than any of those lot!!
Anyone who thinks the likes of Algurasari and Button are the way to go need their heads read! One of them isn't even good enough for a drive in a low/mid table team and the other whilst capable and pretty sharp isn't a real contender for anything other than the odd win and a few points, a No2 driver at the very best.
Totally agree with you on this if Hanilton left mclaren there would be no Championships going to them anytime soon. As for all this twaddle about who he has in his pitbox who cares? We don't have uproar when Capello, Atkinson, Button senior, Prince someone of somewhere or any other WAG shows their face. I'd rather see a pussy cat doll than any of those lot!!
Anyone who thinks the likes of Algurasari and Button are the way to go need their heads read! One of them isn't even good enough for a drive in a low/mid table team and the other whilst capable and pretty sharp isn't a real contender for anything other than the odd win and a few points, a No2 driver at the very best.
Some on here need to take their rose tinted specs off when it comes to Button.
1). an all consuming hatred of Jenson Button for stealing Lewis's column inches (and a seeming inability to understand how you can appreciate both drivers). Seriously they are as pre-occupied with criticising and laughing at Button as they are talking about Hamilton.
2). an insistance that getting the same number of points and the same number of wins constitutes being 'completely outdriven by a rookie', where as most with the ability to count would call it being equalled by a rookie. (Don't get me wrong, still impressive, but lets get our contexts right)
3). Following on from point 2, constantly citing this 5 years down the line and convieniently ignoring how people can grow, change, develop and get better - thus rendering irrelevant the fact that the information is quite out of date.
4). Hamilton can do no wrong. He would win every race if events outside his control (but usually inside McLarens) had not conspired to rob him - soemtime deliberately. I am fairly sure I remember someone accusing McLaren of gifting wins to other teams to spite Lewis.
Your membership card is in the post.
Sorry disco1 - I jest, just couldn't resist.
disco1 said:
Eh? Is this the same LH whose poor form still puts him ahead of JB on points?
Check. 2). an insistance that getting the same number of points and the same number of wins constitutes being 'completely outdriven by a rookie', where as most with the ability to count would call it being equalled by a rookie. (Don't get me wrong, still impressive, but lets get our contexts right)
3). Following on from point 2, constantly citing this 5 years down the line and convieniently ignoring how people can grow, change, develop and get better - thus rendering irrelevant the fact that the information is quite out of date.
disco1 said:
The LH who as an F1 novice beat a 2 time WDC in equal cars?
Check. 4). Hamilton can do no wrong. He would win every race if events outside his control (but usually inside McLarens) had not conspired to rob him - soemtime deliberately. I am fairly sure I remember someone accusing McLaren of gifting wins to other teams to spite Lewis.
disco1 said:
The same Lewis that would be a minimum double WDC if it wasnt for McLaren's buffoonery?
Check. Your membership card is in the post.
Sorry disco1 - I jest, just couldn't resist.
Wanta996Gotta said:
Nick1point9 said:
What I was trying to get across is that Hamilton's results don't back up a lot of people's opinion of him. Alonso on the other hand was in a s
t car for 2 years following coming 1st 1st 3rd from 2005-2007. And immediately got himself to 2nd and 4th in the 3rd best car.
Mclaren was'nt making Q3 in 2009/2010 remember so i dont get your point? He was second in 2007 and 1st in 2008. Alonso has done F-all since he won at Renault in 2006. Sure he has won a few races since but so has Lewis.t car for 2 years following coming 1st 1st 3rd from 2005-2007. And immediately got himself to 2nd and 4th in the 3rd best car.Alonso tangled up with the Ferrari's secret data was a complete disgrace and he was let off lightly then signed by the team that wanted Mclarens blood over the documents - you really couldnt make it up. Involvement with Pique's crash? We will never know but i wouldnt put it passed him. Did any of that stop Ferrari and Santandar backing him???
Also bare in mind Lewis was 2 points behind Vettel before Spa and is favourite to win this weekend with the bookies. There is still a long way to go this year.
The spygate and crashgate comments are speculation on your part, yes he was involved but I don't think its anyone here's place to say whether or not it was malicious involvement. With regard to spygate he was given an unfair advantage but I personally don't see that he cheated, the team did.
I appreciate there is a long way to go this season, but in my opinion anything he does achieve is not going to be "long deserved" as I imagine the media and many PHers will call it.
Could it be that LH has become a liability to MW and team - really can't see them having the patience now to mentor LH - and blimey does he need mentoring to hone what is clearly a great talent - I bet he's missing Uncle Ron! - and LH clearly hasn't got any patience with Mclaren - its a bit buggered really and a move to Merc makes tons of sense.
Daston said:
DanDC5 said:
I think they'd work really well together in all seriousness. A nice mix of experience and a raw pace. He seems to have stopped making as many mistakes recently, still races hard but seems to be learning where to pick his battles a bit more. And as a bonus it'd be my 2 favourite drivers in the same team 
Plus the cost in bits of carbon fibre cant be much more than Lewis lolIt would also give them a chance of Japanese sponsers and a stab at the Japanese market. I understand Jenson is quite popular over there already.
Vocal Minority said:
1). an all consuming hatred of Jenson Button for stealing Lewis's column inches (and a seeming inability to understand how you can appreciate both drivers). Seriously they are as pre-occupied with criticising and laughing at Button as they are talking about Hamilton.
2). an insistance that getting the same number of points and the same number of wins constitutes being 'completely outdriven by a rookie', where as most with the ability to count would call it being equalled by a rookie. (Don't get me wrong, still impressive, but lets get our contexts right)
3). Following on from point 2, constantly citing this 5 years down the line and convieniently ignoring how people can grow, change, develop and get better - thus rendering irrelevant the fact that the information is quite out of date.
4). Hamilton can do no wrong. He would win every race if events outside his control (but usually inside McLarens) had not conspired to rob him - soemtime deliberately. I am fairly sure I remember someone accusing McLaren of gifting wins to other teams to spite Lewis.
Your membership card is in the post.
disco1 said:
Eh? Is this the same LH whose poor form still puts him ahead of JB on points?
Check. 2). an insistance that getting the same number of points and the same number of wins constitutes being 'completely outdriven by a rookie', where as most with the ability to count would call it being equalled by a rookie. (Don't get me wrong, still impressive, but lets get our contexts right)
3). Following on from point 2, constantly citing this 5 years down the line and convieniently ignoring how people can grow, change, develop and get better - thus rendering irrelevant the fact that the information is quite out of date.
disco1 said:
The LH who as an F1 novice beat a 2 time WDC in equal cars?
Check. 4). Hamilton can do no wrong. He would win every race if events outside his control (but usually inside McLarens) had not conspired to rob him - soemtime deliberately. I am fairly sure I remember someone accusing McLaren of gifting wins to other teams to spite Lewis.
disco1 said:
The same Lewis that would be a minimum double WDC if it wasnt for McLaren's buffoonery?
Check. Your membership card is in the post.
Wanta996Gotta said:
Never did Alonso any harm before penning deal with Santandar and Ferrari after his dissapointing and scandalous spell at Mclaren then onto Renault.
The Alonso/McLaren pairing was a disappointment on a lot of levels, but don't forget, it was McLaren who supplied the scandal, not Alonso. RD was forced out of the sport and they were slapped with the biggest fine in sporting history, which they accepted meekly without appeal.Vocal Minority said:
1). an all consuming hatred of Jenson Button for stealing Lewis's column inches (and a seeming inability to understand how you can appreciate both drivers). Seriously they are as pre-occupied with criticising and laughing at Button as they are talking about Hamilton.
2). an insistance that getting the same number of points and the same number of wins constitutes being 'completely outdriven by a rookie', where as most with the ability to count would call it being equalled by a rookie. (Don't get me wrong, still impressive, but lets get our contexts right)
3). Following on from point 2, constantly citing this 5 years down the line and convieniently ignoring how people can grow, change, develop and get better - thus rendering irrelevant the fact that the information is quite out of date.
4). Hamilton can do no wrong. He would win every race if events outside his control (but usually inside McLarens) had not conspired to rob him - soemtime deliberately. I am fairly sure I remember someone accusing McLaren of gifting wins to other teams to spite Lewis.
Your membership card is in the post.
Sorry disco1 - I jest, just couldn't resist.
disco1 said:
Eh? Is this the same LH whose poor form still puts him ahead of JB on points?
Check. 2). an insistance that getting the same number of points and the same number of wins constitutes being 'completely outdriven by a rookie', where as most with the ability to count would call it being equalled by a rookie. (Don't get me wrong, still impressive, but lets get our contexts right)
3). Following on from point 2, constantly citing this 5 years down the line and convieniently ignoring how people can grow, change, develop and get better - thus rendering irrelevant the fact that the information is quite out of date.
disco1 said:
The LH who as an F1 novice beat a 2 time WDC in equal cars?
Check. 4). Hamilton can do no wrong. He would win every race if events outside his control (but usually inside McLarens) had not conspired to rob him - soemtime deliberately. I am fairly sure I remember someone accusing McLaren of gifting wins to other teams to spite Lewis.
disco1 said:
The same Lewis that would be a minimum double WDC if it wasnt for McLaren's buffoonery?
Check. Your membership card is in the post.
Sorry disco1 - I jest, just couldn't resist.
Wonder how many more times that same point will be made
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19503817
This story clearly has some legs after all; so much for the EJ doubters.
This story clearly has some legs after all; so much for the EJ doubters.
DanDC5 said:
Vocal Minority said:
1). an all consuming hatred of Jenson Button for stealing Lewis's column inches (and a seeming inability to understand how you can appreciate both drivers). Seriously they are as pre-occupied with criticising and laughing at Button as they are talking about Hamilton.
2). an insistance that getting the same number of points and the same number of wins constitutes being 'completely outdriven by a rookie', where as most with the ability to count would call it being equalled by a rookie. (Don't get me wrong, still impressive, but lets get our contexts right)
3). Following on from point 2, constantly citing this 5 years down the line and convieniently ignoring how people can grow, change, develop and get better - thus rendering irrelevant the fact that the information is quite out of date.
4). Hamilton can do no wrong. He would win every race if events outside his control (but usually inside McLarens) had not conspired to rob him - soemtime deliberately. I am fairly sure I remember someone accusing McLaren of gifting wins to other teams to spite Lewis.
Your membership card is in the post.
Sorry disco1 - I jest, just couldn't resist.
disco1 said:
Eh? Is this the same LH whose poor form still puts him ahead of JB on points?
Check. 2). an insistance that getting the same number of points and the same number of wins constitutes being 'completely outdriven by a rookie', where as most with the ability to count would call it being equalled by a rookie. (Don't get me wrong, still impressive, but lets get our contexts right)
3). Following on from point 2, constantly citing this 5 years down the line and convieniently ignoring how people can grow, change, develop and get better - thus rendering irrelevant the fact that the information is quite out of date.
disco1 said:
The LH who as an F1 novice beat a 2 time WDC in equal cars?
Check. 4). Hamilton can do no wrong. He would win every race if events outside his control (but usually inside McLarens) had not conspired to rob him - soemtime deliberately. I am fairly sure I remember someone accusing McLaren of gifting wins to other teams to spite Lewis.
disco1 said:
The same Lewis that would be a minimum double WDC if it wasnt for McLaren's buffoonery?
Check. Your membership card is in the post.
Sorry disco1 - I jest, just couldn't resist.
Wonder how many more times that same point will be made
doogz said:
It does?
Didn't EJ say Hamilton was going to Mercedes, and had agreed personal terms?
And doesn't that article say what we already know, that Lewis doesn't have a contract for next season, and doesn't know who he'll be racing for?
Previous McLaren statement was along the lines of "we've spoken to LH's management team and this Mercedes story is all rubbish". Clearly LH saying publicly that he's undecided demonstrates that it's not just EJ speculating, there's a real possibility he'll leave. Not proof that he will do so, obviously, nor that a contract/pre-contract has been signed, but it's a bit more serious than just Eddie pontificating.Didn't EJ say Hamilton was going to Mercedes, and had agreed personal terms?
And doesn't that article say what we already know, that Lewis doesn't have a contract for next season, and doesn't know who he'll be racing for?
doogz said:
longblackcoat said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19503817
This story clearly has some legs after all; so much for the EJ doubters.
It does? This story clearly has some legs after all; so much for the EJ doubters.
Didn't EJ say Hamilton was going to Mercedes, and had agreed personal terms?
And doesn't that article say what we already know, that Lewis doesn't have a contract for next season, and doesn't know who he'll be racing for?
DanDC5 said:
As much as EJ likes to stir things up and cause some trouble, he knows the business well. I can't see him saying this without some knowledge of things going on, he must have some of the best sources of anyone in the media for this kind of thing.
I think the teams feed him rubbish as a competition to see who can get the BBC to publish the most speculative stories. Seriously, the only sensible position is "wait and see".
DanDC5 said:
As much as EJ likes to stir things up and cause some trouble, he knows the business well. I can't see him saying this without some knowledge of things going on, he must have some of the best sources of anyone in the media for this kind of thing.
I remember distinctly around the time there were rumours of Schumacher coming back EJ telling everyone who'd listen that it definitely wasn't happening. He says all kinds of things without any knowledge. I think he's often just repeating paddock rumours. I wouldn't be surprised if some people just make stuff up to see if they can get him to publish it. deadslow said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Never did Alonso any harm before penning deal with Santandar and Ferrari after his dissapointing and scandalous spell at Mclaren then onto Renault.
The Alonso/McLaren pairing was a disappointment on a lot of levels, but don't forget, it was McLaren who supplied the scandal, not Alonso. RD was forced out of the sport and they were slapped with the biggest fine in sporting history, which they accepted meekly without appeal.hairykrishna said:
I remember distinctly around the time there were rumours of Schumacher coming back EJ telling everyone who'd listen that it definitely wasn't happening. He says all kinds of things without any knowledge. I think he's often just repeating paddock rumours. I wouldn't be surprised if some people just make stuff up to see if they can get him to publish it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8368107.stm Yep, he was definitive that it wasn't happening
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