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London424

9,170 posts

84 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Bitofbully said:
Hmmmm.

""The car that I'm in right now is a car that I've developed. Next year will be an evolution of the car that I've helped develop and that will be a championship contender."

I think JB and the test team will have something to say about that.
Read the second part again. "helped" developed. Don't think anyone could argue with that.

London424

9,170 posts

84 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Here's the bbc interview where it appears the quotes came from.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19826361

UK only though I believe.

garyhun

20,094 posts

137 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Bedazzled said:
Looking for a new challenge...? That would only make sense on the back of a second WDC, imho..
Don't agree. We can all require fresh challenges irrespective of past success. You just never know when the bug to move will hit you.

Gaz.

51,751 posts

160 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Bitofbully said:
Hmmmm.

""The car that I'm in right now is a car that I've developed. Next year will be an evolution of the car that I've helped develop and that will be a championship contender."

I think JB and the test team will have something to say about that.
Why oh why does every single word have to be broken down and micro examined?

Mini1275

11,095 posts

91 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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A nice interview with Lewis here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=hlmm...

I haven't seen him this happy in ages, he seems to be glowing with excitement.

He seems more like the 2007-2009 Lewis to me. Good stuff.

I'm looking forward to next year a lot.
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airportparking

1,314 posts

71 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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The knives are out for another 100 pages or so

Bitofbully said:
Hmmmm.

""The car that I'm in right now is a car that I've developed. Next year will be an evolution of the car that I've helped develop and that will be a championship contender."

I think JB and the test team will have something to say about that.

John D.

11,048 posts

118 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Gaz. said:
Why oh why does every single word have to be broken down and micro examined?
Stupid isn't it.

deadslow

5,086 posts

132 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Mini1275 said:
he seems to be glowing with excitement.
My missus used to go like that. hehe

MSTRBKR

6,746 posts

107 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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London424 said:
Here's the bbc interview where it appears the quotes came from.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19826361

UK only though I believe.
Brilliant stuff, I totally see his point of view. They should have won more championships, but it didn't happen. I think even if he was triple WDC he would have made the move. 6 seasons is enough in one team.

vonuber

8,679 posts

74 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Mini1275 said:
After being a bit disappointed when reading the news at first I'm now really looking forward to seeing Lewis and how he drives in the next few years.

Some of his best races were in the 2009 dog.

I really, really think he could win the WDC with Mercedes.
2009 dog? It won two races, hardly a dog. You mean 'not a top 3 car for the first bit of the season' car.
Anyway, be good if he did win it at Merc.

Gaz.

51,751 posts

160 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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vonuber said:
2009 dog? It won two races, hardly a dog. You mean 'not a top 3 car for the first bit of the season' car.
Anyway, be good if he did win it at Merc.
Can you really not see that the MP4-24 that won two races in the second half of the season was heavily developed from the original car that was at the bottom of the time sheets in winter testing and scored barely a dozen points in the first half of the 2009 season?

Bedazzled

12,109 posts

130 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Mini1275 said:
I haven't seen him this happy in ages, he seems to be glowing with excitement.
He's demob happy! hehe

Good luck to him anyhow, pity we have to wait six months to see the effect of the driver rotations...

shunaphil

402 posts

52 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Whilst I am a fan of Lewis, I don't necessarily think that he is a 'team building' kind of driver, like MSC is or even JB - he is more a 'turn up and drive' sort of guy (like Kimi) - I just don't get the impression that he is the kind of person that can draw a disparate group of people onto his 'side' - and whichever way you look at it, a big part of his new drive is going to be building a team around him.

Whilst there can be little doubt he is very good at getting the best from pretty much any car, I am still not convinced he has the maturity to persevere when all is not going his way.

Having said all that I think he has probably got as far as he ever will at McLaren. I am not convinced that Merc can be WDC contenders - new rule changes will probably favour teams with strong design and manufacturing histories - Mc, Williams even.

Will all still be very interesting to watch!

vonuber

8,679 posts

74 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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Gaz. said:
Can you really not see that the MP4-24 that won two races in the second half of the season was heavily developed from the original car that was at the bottom of the time sheets in winter testing and scored barely a dozen points in the first half of the 2009 season?
Lewis was DSQ (from 3rd, liegate), 7, 6, 4, 9, 12, 13, 16, 18 in the first 9 races. I would say that arguably he was poor midseason - Turkey to Germany - and that was only for 4 races. He went on to go 1, 2, Ret, 12, 1, 3, 3, Ret.
Rolling around in 18th permanently would be a poor car.

But meh, it doesn't really matter, just annoys me how people call that McLaren 'a dog' or a poor car. Poor by their consistent front row standards yes, but hardly slow.

Gaz.

51,751 posts

160 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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vonuber said:
Gaz. said:
Can you really not see that the MP4-24 that won two races in the second half of the season was heavily developed from the original car that was at the bottom of the time sheets in winter testing and scored barely a dozen points in the first half of the 2009 season?
Lewis was DSQ (from 3rd, liegate), 7, 6, 4, 9, 12, 13, 16, 18 in the first 9 races. I would say that arguably he was poor midseason - Turkey to Germany - and that was only for 4 races. He went on to go 1, 2, Ret, 12, 1, 3, 3, Ret.
Rolling around in 18th permanently would be a poor car.

But meh, it doesn't really matter, just annoys me how people call that McLaren 'a dog' or a poor car. Poor by their consistent front row standards yes, but hardly slow.
Yet he qualified: 15th, 13th, 9th, 5th, 14th, 16th, 16th, 19th out of 20 on average 1.5 seconds off the pace of the front row and excludes penalties (his or others). It was slow.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

92 months

Thursday 4th October 2012
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vonuber said:
Gaz. said:
Can you really not see that the MP4-24 that won two races in the second half of the season was heavily developed from the original car that was at the bottom of the time sheets in winter testing and scored barely a dozen points in the first half of the 2009 season?
Lewis was DSQ (from 3rd, liegate), 7, 6, 4, 9, 12, 13, 16, 18 in the first 9 races. I would say that arguably he was poor midseason - Turkey to Germany - and that was only for 4 races. He went on to go 1, 2, Ret, 12, 1, 3, 3, Ret.
Rolling around in 18th permanently would be a poor car.

But meh, it doesn't really matter, just annoys me how people call that McLaren 'a dog' or a poor car. Poor by their consistent front row standards yes, but hardly slow.
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What you fail miserably to appreciate here on PH vonuber ... smile ( yes, not serious here about that failure bit .. hehe ) ... is that where Hamilton and Alonso are concerned, it is ALWAYS the car that underperforms, NEVER the driver. No exceptions. They are THEE driving Gods and thus flawless. rolleyes Conversely where Button, Schumacher, Vettel and a few others are concerned, the reverse is ALWAYS the case.

... wink

Use Psychology

11,327 posts

101 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Generally speaking alonso and Hamilton are quicker than their team mates, hence you can see when it's the car that is slow and when it's the driver.

DuncanM

3,622 posts

188 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Use Psychology said:
Generally speaking alonso and Hamilton are quicker than their team mates, hence you can see when it's the car that is slow and when it's the driver.
I agree.

John, Surely this is clear in particular with regards to Alonso?

Button has done way better against Hamilton than most people would have predicted and is an excellent driver. However, half of this season he has been way off the pace in the same car as Lewis has been putting on pole.

Vettel is similar to Alonso in the fact he gets the most out of his car on the Sunday even after a poor qualy session.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

92 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Generally speaking .... most people ... wink

Got that right.

Just heard BBC R5Live newscast ~ Michael Schumacher crashed out ... apparently ... nothing else and no other drivers mentioned ... perhaps Di Resta is already past it ... and not worth a mention .... smile

Alonso choses or vetoes his NO.2 driver. Hamilton has had far more experience always driving top kit than Button has.

Put Vettel or Button in the second Ferrari ( if the two cars truly are equal ) and Alonso would not appear so superior to his team mate as he does with the current one. Failure to see that is .. Failure.

Equal cars .... Yeah ... right.

Edited by MGJohn on Friday 5th October 09:47

DuncanM

3,622 posts

188 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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MGJohn said:
Generally speaking .... most people ... wink

Got that right.

Just heard BBC R5Live newscast ~ Michael Schumacher crashed out ... apparently ... nothing else and no other drivers mentioned ... perhaps Di Resta is already past it ... and not worth a mention .... smile

Alonso choses or vetoes his NO.2 driver. Hamilton has had far more experience always driving top kit than Button has.

Put Vettel or Button in the second Ferrari ( if the two cars truly are equal ) and Alonso would not appear so superior to his team mate as he does with the current one. Failure to see that is .. Failure.

Equal cars .... Yeah ... right.

Edited by MGJohn on Friday 5th October 09:47
Why do you keep mentioning Vettel?

"Equal cars .... Yeah ... right."

Is this really your argument for Massa being so much slower than Alonso?


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