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Bitofbully
394 posts
8 months
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hora said: I dont think JB has the depth of talent that Lewis still has. Flame me but alot of LHs races were lost through team error. He put the work in for nought on too many occassions. They would have been better off ditching the nice guy as well and taking on two emerging talents...but wait... JB is quite marketable off the track for advertisers......  Ahhh yes, it's the old LH defence that whenever he doesn't do well, it's the fault of the car / team / position of the sun / what Russell Grant wrote in the stars yesterday - and for everyone else, it's lack of ability. What's your take on JB today? - 4th all he 'deserved', or 4th due to a combination of car fault / pit error? 
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TheHeretic
67,832 posts
124 months
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hora said: I dont think JB has the depth of talent that Lewis still has. Flame me but alot of LHs races were lost through team error. He put the work in for nought on too many occassions. They would have been better off ditching the nice guy as well and taking on two emerging talents...but wait... JB is quite marketable off the track for advertisers...... Whereas all of Buttons failures are all his fault?  None as blind as those who can't see.
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Scuffers
10,391 posts
143 months
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asides all the who's better then their teammate stuff....
what struck me today was just how slow the cars are, like 10 sec's of qualifying pace, is this what grand prix racing is reduced to? eco-tyre saving runs?
FFS can we have some real racing back please? ie. drivers going as fast as their cars will allow all the time...
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Cheese Mechanic
1,456 posts
38 months
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hora said: I dont think JB has the depth of talent that Lewis still has. Flame me but alot of LHs races were lost through team error. He put the work in for nought on too many occassions. They would have been better off ditching the nice guy as well and taking on two emerging talents...but wait... JB is quite marketable off the track for advertisers...... Pathetic childish comment. Soon you will be 18, then perhaps you will make an adult contribution. The idiotic comments about Mclaren drivers never ceases to make me laugh, especially when you consider that the points made by both of the current team drivers are virtually identical. Still,facts, not a reason for continued childish, rants eh? About time keyboards had an age limit, like a driving license. Would avoid the childeren!
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TheHeretic
67,832 posts
124 months
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 ore equal than a big bag of equal things. That doesn't sit well with some.
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tyrewrecker
6,419 posts
23 months
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Cheese Mechanic said: Pathetic childish comment. Soon you will be 18, then perhaps you will make an adult contribution.
The idiotic comments about Mclaren drivers never ceases to make me laugh, especially when you consider that the points made by both of the current team drivers are virtually identical.
Still,facts, not a reason for continued childish, rants eh?
About time keyboards had an age limit, like a driving license. Would avoid the childeren! Point?
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hora
16,562 posts
80 months
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Cheese mechanic Why? Compare career stats. Look at the bigger picture. Self-correction 'alot of LHs recent. I should have included the word recent post-his first couple of yrs in F1. Ps. Calm down, deary me. BTW no I was never a Mclaren fan. I admired Mika but I was a Damon fan 
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vonuber
3,881 posts
34 months
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It's all a moot point. Vettel is clearly the best of his generation.
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TheHeretic
67,832 posts
124 months
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Career stats? If you want to compare like for like, you have to do it for the time they have been in the same team, surely? Button's time at BAR etc, is nowhere near the level of McLaren.
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FourWheelDrift
56,412 posts
153 months
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Scuffers said: what struck me today was just how slow the cars are, like 10 sec's of qualifying pace, is this what grand prix racing is reduced to? eco-tyre saving runs?
FFS can we have some real racing back please? ie. drivers going as fast as their cars will allow all the time... Full fuel loads, times dropped towards the end of the race as the fuel levels dropped to qualiyfing levels, but then they are on tyres that have 20+ laps of racing on them and fastest lap was about 3s off Vettels pole time. They do have to look after the tyres but they always had to in past seasons in the 90s, 80s 70s and back where no refuelling stops were allowed.
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james_gt3rs
2,520 posts
60 months
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FourWheelDrift said: Scuffers said: what struck me today was just how slow the cars are, like 10 sec's of qualifying pace, is this what grand prix racing is reduced to? eco-tyre saving runs?
FFS can we have some real racing back please? ie. drivers going as fast as their cars will allow all the time... Full fuel loads, times dropped towards the end of the race as the fuel levels dropped to qualiyfing levels, but then they are on tyres that have 20+ laps of racing on them and fastest lap was about 3s off Vettels pole time. They do have to look after the tyres but they always had to in past seasons in the 90s, 80s 70s and back where no refuelling stops were allowed. The racing is better to watch now than the Schumacher era so I'm not bothered!
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woof
6,939 posts
146 months
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Scuffers said: asides all the who's better then their teammate stuff....
what struck me today was just how slow the cars are, like 10 sec's of qualifying pace, is this what grand prix racing is reduced to? eco-tyre saving runs?
FFS can we have some real racing back please? ie. drivers going as fast as their cars will allow all the time... I've been saying that for the last 2 seasons. Part of the reason why we see so few failures, because they're running at 85-90% of what they're capable of. Bring back the 1 hr quali format, refueling and proper tyres.
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hora
16,562 posts
80 months
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TheHeretic said: Career stats? If you want to compare like for like, you have to do it for the time they have been in the same team, surely? Button's time at BAR etc, is nowhere near the level of McLaren. ..Honda
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TheHeretic
67,832 posts
124 months
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hora said: ..Honda Honda was not at the level of McLaren.
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hora
16,562 posts
80 months
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BAR and Honda were big budget.
Anyway we will see next year. I bet Perez matches JB. Can you tell I dont rate him? Bar the double diffuser he would never have won a title.
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TheHeretic
67,832 posts
124 months
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Well, that may be so, but as things stand, in the McLaren, and the 3 season they have been together, LH and JB are quite even. Like it or loathe it, but same machinery, and that is how the cookie crumbles. Of course you argue 'car' in 2008, as Lewis had a fairly weak team mate. Something he hasn't had since. Either way, very even, no matter how you cut it.
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Bitofbully
394 posts
8 months
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hora said: BAR and Honda were big budget.
Anyway we will see next year. I bet Perez matches JB. Can you tell I dont rate him? Bar the double diffuser he would never have won a title. That can be said for most world champions, though. Pretty much every year, someone pulls out an advantage in their car. Look at how Hill and Mansell won their titles - they did it in cars which were so far ahead of the rest of the field, it was almost like they were in a different formula. How about Senna - his first title was in the MP4/4, which was the most dominant car in F1 history - then you have MSC with all the advantages he had, especially at Ferrari, or maybe Vettel isn't a worthy champion, as Newey has worked his magic at Red Bull - consistently producing cars which are visibly quicker than everyone else (and this became apparent in JB's title year, too). Every world title is part car and part driver - to dismiss some drivers as only achieving due to their car, whilst praising those who have also had a car advantage smacks of fan-boi-ism.
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Clevers
978 posts
70 months
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vonuber said: It's all a moot point. Vettel is clearly the best of his generation. No, Adrian is the best of Vettel's generation. Aero has become too dominant in F1.....we need to go backwards to get better racing.
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Cheese Mechanic
1,456 posts
38 months
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tyrewrecker said: Point? Obvious unless you are retarded.
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AreOut
327 posts
30 months
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we need manual transmission and driver controlled variable angle wings
also V8 twin turbo engines with ~2000 hp and tyres capable of enduring that for a half an hour
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