Hamilton to Mercedes
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The driver debate on here never ceases to amaze me, and I can be as guilty as the any other poster.
But seriously, apart from a few obvious howlers over the years, they are all pretty good but have different styles and personalities. Was Gilles a better driver than Alain? Was Nigel better than Ayrton? Was Ayrton better than Alain? Is Jenson better than [insert driver of different style here].
After close to 30 seconds of deep analysis, ISTM that it's all about what we appreciate as a style that appeals to us personally. Some drivers get the job done with a flourish, others with a less flamboyant style, each of which some will appreciate, and others won't. Corporate cramping in the media does not help - we hear what they are told to say in the main. We then read lots of accurate stuff, and hear lots of irrelevant / inaccurate crap from elsewhere. Then we spend far too much time on here trying to convince each other to change our opinions to those of others.
I'd liken it to trying to convince someone that rough sex is better than romantic sex. It just isn't gonna happen too often (convincing them that is, not either style of act itself)
Anyway, on that note, time for an early night I think. I'll get the cheese grater handy...
But seriously, apart from a few obvious howlers over the years, they are all pretty good but have different styles and personalities. Was Gilles a better driver than Alain? Was Nigel better than Ayrton? Was Ayrton better than Alain? Is Jenson better than [insert driver of different style here].
After close to 30 seconds of deep analysis, ISTM that it's all about what we appreciate as a style that appeals to us personally. Some drivers get the job done with a flourish, others with a less flamboyant style, each of which some will appreciate, and others won't. Corporate cramping in the media does not help - we hear what they are told to say in the main. We then read lots of accurate stuff, and hear lots of irrelevant / inaccurate crap from elsewhere. Then we spend far too much time on here trying to convince each other to change our opinions to those of others.
I'd liken it to trying to convince someone that rough sex is better than romantic sex. It just isn't gonna happen too often (convincing them that is, not either style of act itself)
Anyway, on that note, time for an early night I think. I'll get the cheese grater handy...
ajprice said:
2007 - Hamilton and Alonso on equal points in the same car.
2008 - Hamilton won the championship
2009 - Brawn got the jump, McLaren car wasn't so good. If Hamilton/Alonso/Vettel/Webber were in the Brawn they probably would have won with it.
2010/11 - Newey and Red Bull got the jump. If Hamilton/Alonso/Vettel/Webber were in that car they probably would have won with it.
2012 - No team has got the jump, it's been down to reliability, tyres and the Grosjean/Maldonado team effort to be in the BTCC next year.
The majority of what's needed these days to win is to be in the right car. Would Alonso/Vettel etc have won the championship in the 2009 McLaren? Not likely. Would Button, Webber or Massa have won what Vettel won in a Newey Red Bull? Probably.
OK all that accepted, what have RB and Newey done in the 2012 mid-season break to manage to pull out a 0.5 - 1.0 sec advantage over the other improving teams. Bendy front wings aside what have they/has he seen that others have missed (given - McLaren, Sauber and Force I, some improvement, Ferrari and Lotus - static, Merc apparently going backwards...) Has anyone done a detailed technical analysis of the season's obvious aero-changes??2008 - Hamilton won the championship
2009 - Brawn got the jump, McLaren car wasn't so good. If Hamilton/Alonso/Vettel/Webber were in the Brawn they probably would have won with it.
2010/11 - Newey and Red Bull got the jump. If Hamilton/Alonso/Vettel/Webber were in that car they probably would have won with it.
2012 - No team has got the jump, it's been down to reliability, tyres and the Grosjean/Maldonado team effort to be in the BTCC next year.
The majority of what's needed these days to win is to be in the right car. Would Alonso/Vettel etc have won the championship in the 2009 McLaren? Not likely. Would Button, Webber or Massa have won what Vettel won in a Newey Red Bull? Probably.
Edited by ajprice on Sunday 7th October 21:50
heebeegeetee said:
Bitofbully said:
Only if LH now spends the best part of a decade kicking around near the back of the field in rubbish cars *whilst no-one wants to sign him*.
I also believe he had a long-term deal with BAR / Honda, which meant it wasn't so trivial to move elsewhere when it was obvious the car wasn't going to meet expectations.
CiderwithCerbie said:
OK all that accepted, what have RB and Newey done in the 2012 mid-season break to manage to pull out a 0.5 - 1.0 sec advantage over the other improving teams. Bendy front wings aside what have they/has he seen that others have missed (given - McLaren, Sauber and Force I, some improvement, Ferrari and Lotus - static, Merc apparently going backwards...) Has anyone done a detailed technical analysis of the season's obvious aero-changes??
Gary Anderson pointed out a unique new development on the RB rear wing that stalls the air lower down. Bet they were chuffed about that!
vonuber said:
I hate this 'Vettel only wins because of the car', and yet in the same breath demand Mclaren upgrades the car to enable Button/Hamilton to win.
Oh dear... a self confessed hater .... 
PSSSSST!
vonuber .... nobody ever won without 'the car'... FACT
Vettel being an exceptional and bestest ever talent and is also quite good ... FACT ... can walk it though...
SomeMinorTrouble said:
Just saw this too.I feel like a parent. I'm not angry, just disappointed. Why does he have to be like this?
MSTRBKR said:
SomeMinorTrouble said:
Just saw this too.I feel like a parent. I'm not angry, just disappointed. Why does he have to be like this?
SomeMinorTrouble said:
Ahem... Jenson didn't follow Lewis in the first place. He looks a bit (more) of a t
t now. jenson said:
@NobleF1 Never followed him... Makes a story though!! (https://twitter.com/JensonButton/status/252771735957553152)
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