Tuscan Challenge Road Car (at the moment) build project
Discussion
RetroWheels said:
Steve,took these pics of the wet sump on the Rover , pm me your mobile number again (i didnt save it to my phone properly in all the Dony excitement).
Hi Darren,Can't see how I missed this post until now!
Thanks for taking the time and trouble to post images.....appreciated
Will study and see how I can get mine to fit.....Ginny fitted the diff and driveshafts on Sunday, which was nice of her....
After the NEC classic car show in November I t will need to look at gearbox...new clutch etc then attach to engine and test fit...see what gap I have for a prop....
Hope things are good with you.....will drop you a text
Thanks again
Nick if you mean my comment, it was reference to TVR purple showing up as blue on pictures, hence the so called blue Cerbera Speed 12 which was of course purple the whole time.. Apologies for causing confusion.
G1ABB said:
It seems you may have eliminated the mystery of the blue Cerbera Speed 12.
"Cool thread"
"Cool thread"
G1ABB said:
Graham,Thanks Graham good to talk Sunday night long overdue that one!
yep...your right I colour matched the wishbones that came with my initial purchase...in day light they are...bit like the O.Z.'s I painted...
Anyway things have moved on with some help from a couple of Pete, Howard and Karl one of neighbours karl...the chassis now about ready for the show this weekend
Roll cage painted being painted as I type...collecting it late this PM then fixing to the chassis tonight...looks like Tim Hood will be popping round to collect his stuff for the show...might give a spanner and get him to give me an hand
Be interesting to get your feed back on here for those that see "the pile of scrap" at the NEC Classic... just for starters though...
I know there are no brake pads fitted to the calpiers (not had chance to get any...not sure which ones i need for the fronts...or where to get them not had chance really)
I know there are some stainless fixings in places where there should be high tensile... but most parts came without bolts so have had to make do for now..
I know that the wheels might have a bit of positive camber...or negative...I will need it set up...Johnny the kettle is on!
The shocks are two way adjustables ...designed for road use I have spoken with a few folk that "know" and they should be ideal for what I need in this application...
It's all rose jointed ...thanks to graham walden for the loan of steering arms...thanks to Ivor to for the offer of his, thanks to Andy Holden for looking for steering arms for me ......he has the same side as me...v.few steering arms for the pass side about...bit like BTR diff mounts....finally got a set....
...hence diff and driveshafts on too...marsdalebear said:
Hi Steve, how are the new neighbours coping with all of those kit cars at your place? Is Sam still driving Harvey? Be in touch soon, got some news for you.
Hi mate,No one will ever come close as you folk as neighbours ...You were perfect mate!
Kit cars indeed....you havn't changed then, thank god!
Unfortunately Harvey passed away on the M6 in snow when Sam was forced into lane three by an HGV ...lane three was covered in snow she spun hit the trailer tyre it burst ...spun her again leaving her in lane three facing on coming cars....thankfully she wasn't hurt ...Harvey saved her....at the other side of b'ham one of our lot Dave Hothersall...did the same thing in his griff 500.....hitting the armco....they ended up sitting opposite each other last night when 30odd of us had a curry in Shirly Solihull following the show at the nec classic car show....this is where I am heading back now!
The rolling chassis is on display there....no chance to post pics yet tho!
Love to Ben, Jeanette and you mate ....you are missed!
I will try and post some images re progress need to load up on photobucket first...just been busy Newcastle last week London this week..
I went straight from work last night to take all the spectra flake paint off the cage....
Didn't achieve the desired effect and looked good in the sun, but like something that had been shot blasted and galvernised in dull conditions....and lft a "sandy" type surface....
So back to square one!
Guess it would have been a different story if I went for spectra flare but at circa £400 per litre I can't justify it...especially as spraying a cage most of it would just go into fresh air!
I managed to rub the whole cage down last night will be staright back there tonight and finish off...then it will be painted in the "high coarse" silver...and lacquered...this evening so going to be another late one
We prepped a door last night Rich primed it in white ready for the top coat this evening...again see how the paint works and see what effect is has...
Got my rear gearbox mount off Tim Hood and his mechanic Terry Saturday...just missing the part that attaches the bracket to the T5 box...this appears to have a bush similar to the large rear diff mount bush on a griff of chimaera or challenge chassis....
So if anyone has one...
Scheduled to collect the cage Friday, then drop the bonnet off for the three "vents" at Graham Waldens...then gonna try fitting the body Saturday..hands needed...although Ginny, Blaine, Karl and myself did it last time more hands will make it much easier ...as the parts welded to the chassis will fowl the bodywork....this will be the first of a few times it will be fitted as I need to cut holes in the sill sections for the extra seatbelt and four point harness mounts....
...although Malcolm (one of the directors from TVR) advised me to go for 6 point harnesses on a raod car to stop submarining...didn't get his contact details as he offrered to give me some input around this area...doh!
So moving on...
I went straight from work last night to take all the spectra flake paint off the cage....
Didn't achieve the desired effect and looked good in the sun, but like something that had been shot blasted and galvernised in dull conditions....and lft a "sandy" type surface....
So back to square one!
Guess it would have been a different story if I went for spectra flare but at circa £400 per litre I can't justify it...especially as spraying a cage most of it would just go into fresh air!
I managed to rub the whole cage down last night will be staright back there tonight and finish off...then it will be painted in the "high coarse" silver...and lacquered...this evening so going to be another late one
We prepped a door last night Rich primed it in white ready for the top coat this evening...again see how the paint works and see what effect is has...
Got my rear gearbox mount off Tim Hood and his mechanic Terry Saturday...just missing the part that attaches the bracket to the T5 box...this appears to have a bush similar to the large rear diff mount bush on a griff of chimaera or challenge chassis....
So if anyone has one...
Scheduled to collect the cage Friday, then drop the bonnet off for the three "vents" at Graham Waldens...then gonna try fitting the body Saturday..hands needed...although Ginny, Blaine, Karl and myself did it last time more hands will make it much easier ...as the parts welded to the chassis will fowl the bodywork....this will be the first of a few times it will be fitted as I need to cut holes in the sill sections for the extra seatbelt and four point harness mounts....
...although Malcolm (one of the directors from TVR) advised me to go for 6 point harnesses on a raod car to stop submarining...didn't get his contact details as he offrered to give me some input around this area...doh!
So moving on...
schimg said:
stuff.....and....
holes in the sill sections for the extra seatbelt and four point harness mounts....
...although Malcolm (one of the directors from TVR) advised me to go for 6 point harnesses on a raod car to stop submarining...didn't get his contact details as he offrered to give me some input around this area...doh!
Mine doesn't use the mounts on sills like Chims/Griffs if that's what you mean...instead a pair of eylets through the floor into the corner chassis support plates behind the seat(s) to which the side and extra straps (for 6 point) are attached. holes in the sill sections for the extra seatbelt and four point harness mounts....
...although Malcolm (one of the directors from TVR) advised me to go for 6 point harnesses on a raod car to stop submarining...didn't get his contact details as he offrered to give me some input around this area...doh!
a 6 point on the road all the time will be a pita. if you go to someone like Willans ( urm i might know a willans dealer 
) you can spec a 6 point with the buckle on the lap strap, rather than some 6 points that have it on the crutch strap. you can then leave the crutch strap undone if just nipping to the shops and have it available when on track
) you can spec a 6 point with the buckle on the lap strap, rather than some 6 points that have it on the crutch strap. you can then leave the crutch strap undone if just nipping to the shops and have it available when on trackmarsdalebear said:
Did you get my e-mail Steve?
HYes I did mate.....that's brilliant news , Ginny is so pleased.....
.....iWeb are much likely to come and visit you when you take up residence in Barbados than Syston!Seriously pleased for you both fantastic....just replied to email too......
Chuggaboom said:
Mine doesn't use the mounts on sills like Chims/Griffs if that's what you mean...instead a pair of eylets through the floor into the corner chassis support plates behind the seat(s) to which the side and extra straps (for 6 point) are attached.
Hi Grant,I have gone for FIA approved fixings throughout....for the three point harnesses I have tried to replicate the set up like chimaera and cerebral ....I will use cerbera "shoulder" seatbelt extensions on the rear cage struts....the fixings are in both sides now....the seatbelt real will sit vertically behind the seats....
Have you still got those three way adjustables?
Keithyboy said:
Don't forget the harness should have EEC approval for road use too 
Thanks for the heads up....will usne Securon 3 point ...still not sure which way to go yet over harnesses....like G says can be a pain for road use....hence the three points....just need to make sure cage is padded well too.....I cut the centre bar out too....Steve Howard's advice that ...passengers have been hurt on these in the past....retained the bar to re-fit if needed...As someone who's had a couple of road racers
Do the seat/harness as standard Tuscan racer
Road stuff doesn't work. Inerta reels are designed for use with airbags and open cars. Too much in a Tuscan to hit and they allow too much slack.
You won't be hopping in an out all the time...it's no problem really.
Andy
Do the seat/harness as standard Tuscan racer
Road stuff doesn't work. Inerta reels are designed for use with airbags and open cars. Too much in a Tuscan to hit and they allow too much slack.
You won't be hopping in an out all the time...it's no problem really.
Andy
I agree with Andy and Graham....yes the multi points involve a bit of phaffing about when you get in, but its all part of the event of driving one of these toys.
I wouldn't imagine you're having road car style seats, so a 3 point just aint gonna look right IMHO.
As G suggests, both my strap sets (different makes) have the buckle on the LH lap strap, so you can use as many straps or not as you like to go a few yards, or the full set on a track day - I wouldn't fancy a track day in one of these cars with just a 3 point !
I wouldn't imagine you're having road car style seats, so a 3 point just aint gonna look right IMHO.
As G suggests, both my strap sets (different makes) have the buckle on the LH lap strap, so you can use as many straps or not as you like to go a few yards, or the full set on a track day - I wouldn't fancy a track day in one of these cars with just a 3 point !
schimg said:
Thanks for the heads up....will usne Securon 3 point ...still not sure which way to go yet over harnesses....like G says can be a pain for road use....hence the three points....just need to make sure cage is padded well too.....I cut the centre bar out too....Steve Howard's advice that ...passengers have been hurt on these in the past....retained the bar to re-fit if needed...
Mine has 6 points harnesses for driver and passenger. I spoke with the tester at the VOSA station (mine was SVA'd...not sure of the additional regs with IVA) before I fitted them just to confirm. PS, if you haven't made friends with the tester(s) at the test station, start doing it soon so that you can refer back to conversations about all the border-line items.Anyway, the regs at the time had nothing to exclude a 6-point harness, but they did say that the release should be by pressing in one direction. This therefore excluded twist-style latches, but I discussed that on the sabelt style latch which is actual a lever that could work in either direction, in the spirit of the rules if you 'press' the lever sideways in one direction it releases. Tester was happy with this.
Bear in mind the since you have to get in and out through a roll cage with the door bar, the 'convenience' of anything other than a 6-point is not really worth it.
I don't use the car much on the road, but you do get thrown about quite a bit on uneven surfaces and it tramlines like crazy, so I can't think of any reason why you would want anything other than a race seat and a 6-point harness. Dunno if you've sorted seats yet, but on mine while the regular corbeau drivers seat fits in the drivers side (as you'd expect), it's too wide for the passenger side so I have the narrower corbeau seat in there. Looks basically like a pair of matching seats but the passenger one had to be narrower.
Chuggaboom said:
I agree with Andy and Graham....yes the multi points involve a bit of phaffing about when you get in, but its all part of the event of driving one of these toys.
I wouldn't imagine you're having road car style seats, so a 3 point just aint gonna look right IMHO.
As G suggests, both my strap sets (different makes) have the buckle on the LH lap strap, so you can use as many straps or not as you like to go a few yards, or the full set on a track day - I wouldn't fancy a track day in one of these cars with just a 3 point !
Appreciate where you are coming from here...perhaps. I havn't been very clear in what I have posted ....I wouldn't imagine you're having road car style seats, so a 3 point just aint gonna look right IMHO.
As G suggests, both my strap sets (different makes) have the buckle on the LH lap strap, so you can use as many straps or not as you like to go a few yards, or the full set on a track day - I wouldn't fancy a track day in one of these cars with just a 3 point !
Ideally I want to have the convenience of normal belts.....so that when I drive her on the road I can lean forward at junctions etc to see on coming traffic ...advised by a fellow challenge road builder who is retaining his dignity...
So thinking of fitting both....hence the multiple harness, seatbelt, seatbelt reel mounting point I have welded to the chassis and cage.....thing is once the "lid" is on the chassis it will become a pain to start putting more fixing points in...so in effect trying to think ahead....with no prior knowledge of this..... i.e. the seatbelt reel needs to be located vertically so I have tried to establish "vertical" for the plate that has been welded in between the roll bar "v" sections behind the seats and will use cerbera seatbelt shoulder extensions.......
Straightforward....not!
But more importantly thanks for posting, fully appreciate input....thank you
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