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Eric Mc

75,747 posts

148 months

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Sunday 30th September 2012 quote quote all
PW said:
You've never met them - you don't know what they do or don't do, or what their motives are.

I bet you couldn't even name one of "They".

What you are saying is pure fiction.
I've never met 90% of the people involved in motor sport. But I have read lots on the subject over the years so my view is not completely made up out of nothing.

And if you don't believe that there is no perceived national prestige in hosting Grands Prix than you haven't read much on the history of the sport.

chevronb37

5,889 posts

69 months

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Monday 1st October 2012 quote quote all
Gaz. said:
chevronb37 said:
I don't know - ask the promoters of China, Bahrain, Turkey, Malaysia, Korea, etc!
China - sold out for most of the races, highest ever Sunday attendance at an F1 race (310,000). 2011 & 2012 races had Sunday attendances of 120,000, called Eccelstone's bluff in 2011 & he reduced their fee.

Bahrain, except 2012 this place sells out every year, runs at a loss but the Crown Prince doesn't care.

Turkey - a commercial flop, the ticket price was out of touch with the national economy so struggled for even 50% capacity.

Malaysia - hosted in Autumn it was a three day sell-out, the move to spring & afordability of domestic A/C has meant a drop in attendance. A night race is proposed to reverse this decline.

Korea - built in the middle of nowhere and despite good attendance the original promoter signed an unfordable deal with Bernie, the current promoter wants/needs to renegotiate this deal and Bernie is likely to reduce their fee.

For whoever asked- one the whole race attendance is up, most races are sell outs and a few tracks need to build more stands to increase capacity. TV audiences are up year on year for the last five years.
Cheers, Gaz. I don't have any actual figures so it's nice to have something confirmed. The 'stands always look so empty at those places but it can be deceptive. Please can you send me a link to your source?

Eric Mc

75,747 posts

148 months

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Monday 1st October 2012 quote quote all
They always look pretty empty - especially during the practice and qualifying sessions. How can a venue claim it's full when there are so many empty spaces in the stands?

Do they have a different definition of "full" compared to, say, Silverstone?

PW

2,143 posts

122 months

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Monday 1st October 2012 quote quote all
Eric Mc said:
Do they have a different definition of "full" compared to, say, Silverstone?
From what I've heard Silverstone use as creative a definition of "full" as anyone else.

From that I can confidantly claim that the Silverstone promoters don't like brie. I know - I've read lots about F1. wink

Eric Mc

75,747 posts

148 months

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Monday 1st October 2012 quote quote all
I always thought that Silverstone has to turn people away on a grand prix weekend. Indeed, they place an upper limit on the numbers.

(Don't know their opinion on brie though).
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Gaz.

49,707 posts

134 months

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Monday 1st October 2012 quote quote all
Eric Mc said:
I always thought that Silverstone has to turn people away on a grand prix weekend. Indeed, they place an upper limit on the numbers.

(Don't know their opinion on brie though).
Every venue has a capacity limit Eric, most of the Tilkedromes are seating only, as is Valencia. Singapore, Abu Dhabi & Silverstone have to increase capacity every year, each adding an additional 5000 seats this year.

Spa always struggles to beat 90% capacity though.

geezerbutler

198 posts

25 months

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Monday 1st October 2012 quote quote all
And now Greece wants to get in on the act. Can they (or more accurately, the EU) afford an F1 GP?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102997

Eric Mc

75,747 posts

148 months

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Monday 1st October 2012 quote quote all
Gaz. said:
Every venue has a capacity limit Eric, most of the Tilkedromes are seating only, as is Valencia. Singapore, Abu Dhabi & Silverstone have to increase capacity every year, each adding an additional 5000 seats this year.

Spa always struggles to beat 90% capacity though.
And the point I was questioning was, do these other venues reach their capacity limits over the GP weekend. It certainly doesn't look like they do in the images we see of Friday and Saturday sessions - unless they have built more grandstands than their capacity allows - which would indeed be strange.

chevronb37

5,889 posts

69 months

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Monday 1st October 2012 quote quote all
Gaz. said:
Eric Mc said:
I always thought that Silverstone has to turn people away on a grand prix weekend. Indeed, they place an upper limit on the numbers.

(Don't know their opinion on brie though).
Every venue has a capacity limit Eric, most of the Tilkedromes are seating only, as is Valencia. Singapore, Abu Dhabi & Silverstone have to increase capacity every year, each adding an additional 5000 seats this year.

Spa always struggles to beat 90% capacity though.
Gaz - did you see my request above for a link to accurate spectator figures? If it's something you'd rather not share publicly because they're from a private source drop me a PM. It would be really useful in my journalistic capacity to have access to some hard facts.

Cheers! Chev.

rlw

2,355 posts

120 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
Nothing wrong with street circuits in theory - Le Mans is mainly one, but just a fking great big one, as was Spa for may years. I'd rather see cars race on these two than anywhere else in the world

davepoth

22,920 posts

82 months

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Sunday 7th October 2012 quote quote all
rlw said:
Nothing wrong with street circuits in theory - Le Mans is mainly one, but just a fking great big one, as was Spa for may years. I'd rather see cars race on these two than anywhere else in the world
True enough. Done right a street circuit offers much more of a challenge than a purpose built track ever could.

Montjuic, for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx7gk0H05nM&fe...

Long Beach,(Clive James commentating on this one is awesome)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Hb3MDG-Aw

Rouen, (apologies for the music)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBFFiMYJ1C8

Charade,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh7Tb9cLO4o

New Jersey looks like it could be fun too.

AJS-

11,712 posts

119 months

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Monday 8th October 2012 quote quote all
Is it necessary? There are already races in Malaysia and Singapore which are both close by. Even living in Bangkok, I'd rather see a race around a proper European track. That said if they scrapped the boring Sepang circuit to make way for it then I wouldn't be opposed.

chevronb37

5,889 posts

69 months

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Monday 8th October 2012 quote quote all
I find the majority of modern street circuits end up looking quite similar to one another. With big concrete blocks surrounding the track and catch fencing above, what you actually see could be anywhere. In order to really enjoy a street circuit, it needs either an amazing visual backdrop, awesome topography or a very fast layout. That's why Monaco and Macau are such enduring locations. I walked Montjuic earlier in the year and it has all of those things. It must've been frighteningly fast in a contemporary F1 car. But things move on and modern street circuits are a very different beast to those in days gone by.
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