Silverstone BTCC
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MGJohn said:
VictoriaYorks said:
If there is as much of a difference on Sunday between MGs and Hondas as there was at Silverstone it will be a travesty.
Shedden FTW
Difference ? Possibly "Sandbagging" ~ playing up "the rules" to advantage ?Shedden FTW
We're talking about members of the species Homo sapiens here. A species which has been known to do that sort of thing ...
That really is clutching at straws MGJohn.....
What you witnessed at Silverstone was Sheddon basically trying to block pretty much every car, including his last years civic from passing him from being mindbogglingly slow....that wasnt sandbagging fella.
decadence said:
Sandbagging? are you demented? Theres clever ways to sandbag but that maybe best used in quali or practice...not during a race...
That really is clutching at straws MGJohn.....
What you witnessed at Silverstone was Sheddon basically trying to block pretty much every car, including his last years civic from passing him from being mindbogglingly slow....that wasnt sandbagging fella.
Hah!That really is clutching at straws MGJohn.....
What you witnessed at Silverstone was Sheddon basically trying to block pretty much every car, including his last years civic from passing him from being mindbogglingly slow....that wasnt sandbagging fella.
You have not got a clue.
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decadence said:
Your a Plato fanboy , but why then weren't you moaning about Plato moaning about boost at Knockhill?? huh?? sorry what was that?
any answer to that? Plato pretty much invented the whole boost debate FFS!!
he pretty much still was moaning about boost on the grid interview just before he went from 20th to 1st in 12 laps.... ironic no?
muppet.....
wow, 104 posts to date and counting and you reckon you hate the current BTCC series? Sad or what.any answer to that? Plato pretty much invented the whole boost debate FFS!!
he pretty much still was moaning about boost on the grid interview just before he went from 20th to 1st in 12 laps.... ironic no?
muppet.....
Whats even sadder is that comments from two drivers of the day(a 911 & a golf) are buried probably never to be read again because of your obsessive repetitive ramblings. I can only imagine what the brands hatch thread will end up like
decadence said:
Sandbagging? are you demented? Theres clever ways to sandbag but that maybe best used in quali or practice...not during a race...
That really is clutching at straws MGJohn.....
What you witnessed at Silverstone was Sheddon basically trying to block pretty much every car, including his last years civic from passing him from being mindbogglingly slow....that wasnt sandbagging fella.
Actually he's right, remember when they did the top 10 reverse first time round? People used to slow down so they got tenth and therefore on pole for the final race then the brought in this lotto thing now to stop it. That really is clutching at straws MGJohn.....
What you witnessed at Silverstone was Sheddon basically trying to block pretty much every car, including his last years civic from passing him from being mindbogglingly slow....that wasnt sandbagging fella.
It's also well know that Honda would have been sandbagging at silverstone so they would have more boost for brands and also less weight. It's all part of racing.
AMD87 said:
decadence said:
Sandbagging? are you demented? Theres clever ways to sandbag but that maybe best used in quali or practice...not during a race...
That really is clutching at straws MGJohn.....
What you witnessed at Silverstone was Sheddon basically trying to block pretty much every car, including his last years civic from passing him from being mindbogglingly slow....that wasnt sandbagging fella.
Actually he's right, remember when they did the top 10 reverse first time round? People used to slow down so they got tenth and therefore on pole for the final race then the brought in this lotto thing now to stop it. That really is clutching at straws MGJohn.....
What you witnessed at Silverstone was Sheddon basically trying to block pretty much every car, including his last years civic from passing him from being mindbogglingly slow....that wasnt sandbagging fella.
It's also well know that Honda would have been sandbagging at silverstone so they would have more boost for brands and also less weight. It's all part of racing.
Just saying that if Sheddon was sandbagging then i'd be amazed cause what your suggesting there is that Matt Neal and Sheddon purposely under used their cars to gain nil points for Neal and a few points for Sheddon when they could of just gone out and won the races in a 1-2 formation?!
REALLY??
Surely if you have the car to win you'd just win then they would be further ahead of Plato for Brands Hatch, in what would still be the faster car!!!
This is getting daft now...
Do you really think that Matt Neal wanted to get no points at Silverstone and Honda UK wanted to look like the Civic 2012 is a load of s
t compared to a Chinese Rover?!!!If you want to see proper sandbagging re watch BTCC 2011 and JP at work...
acer12 said:
decadence said:
Your a Plato fanboy , but why then weren't you moaning about Plato moaning about boost at Knockhill?? huh?? sorry what was that?
any answer to that? Plato pretty much invented the whole boost debate FFS!!
he pretty much still was moaning about boost on the grid interview just before he went from 20th to 1st in 12 laps.... ironic no?
muppet.....
wow, 104 posts to date and counting and you reckon you hate the current BTCC series? Sad or what.any answer to that? Plato pretty much invented the whole boost debate FFS!!
he pretty much still was moaning about boost on the grid interview just before he went from 20th to 1st in 12 laps.... ironic no?
muppet.....
Whats even sadder is that comments from two drivers of the day(a 911 & a golf) are buried probably never to be read again because of your obsessive repetitive ramblings. I can only imagine what the brands hatch thread will end up like
If you want to see at the penultimate round the main championship protagonists separated from even racing on the same bit of tarmac due to unfair boost levels then fine, good for you that is what we got at Silverstone, but that is cause your fanboys of JP and he 'won' so your happy, JP is happy Alan Gow is happy.
But i guarantee come Brands Hatch if the Hondas win...then we'll see the JP fanboys moan...along with JP most probably....
BTW read Ollie Jacksons posts where he states he dislikes the current boost system...oh and Plato moaned about the rules after knockhill..and thruxton and ...well till Silverstone...Collard has moaned about the regs....ermmm...yeah so what do they all 'hate' the BTCC aswell by your opinion??
NO...
idiot.
Not liking the current BTCC rules do not make me a person who hates the series. Someone winning a race due to having more boost is tosh, whether its an MG or a Honda...it should be all teams run same boost, if your not good enough as a team or driver, whether that be cause of no budget or lack of talent then work harder...not just expect some more 'boost' for next round....racing is tough, grow some and deal with it...
Edited by decadence on Monday 15th October 15:18
decadence said:
If you read the posts you'll see i love the BTCC which is why i dislike seeing JP and Alan Gow destroying it, people cant cope with just seeing a race season where the best driver and car possibly might run away with it, so they mess about to try to make it all equal with boosts etc.
If you want to see at the penultimate round the main championship protagonists separated from even racing on the same bit of tarmac due to unfair boost levels then fine, good for you that is what we got at Silverstone, but that is cause your fanboys of JP and he 'won' so your happy, JP is happy Alan Gow is happy.
But i guarantee come Brands Hatch if the Hondas win...then we'll see the JP fanboys moan...along with JP most probably....
BTW read Ollie Jacksons posts where he states he dislikes the current boost system...oh and Plato moaned about the rules after knockhill..and thruxton and ...well till Silverstone...Collard has moaned about the regs....ermmm...yeah so what do they all 'hate' the BTCC aswell by your opinion??
NO...
idiot.
Not liking the current BTCC rules do not make me a person who hates the series. Someone winning a race due to having more boost is tosh, whether its an MG or a Honda...it should be all teams run same boost, if your not good enough as a team or driver, whether that be cause of no budget or lack of talent then work harder...not just expect some more 'boost' for next round....racing is tough, grow some and deal with it...
similar bla bla bla to the other 100+ posts on this thread. If you want to see at the penultimate round the main championship protagonists separated from even racing on the same bit of tarmac due to unfair boost levels then fine, good for you that is what we got at Silverstone, but that is cause your fanboys of JP and he 'won' so your happy, JP is happy Alan Gow is happy.
But i guarantee come Brands Hatch if the Hondas win...then we'll see the JP fanboys moan...along with JP most probably....
BTW read Ollie Jacksons posts where he states he dislikes the current boost system...oh and Plato moaned about the rules after knockhill..and thruxton and ...well till Silverstone...Collard has moaned about the regs....ermmm...yeah so what do they all 'hate' the BTCC aswell by your opinion??
NO...
idiot.
Not liking the current BTCC rules do not make me a person who hates the series. Someone winning a race due to having more boost is tosh, whether its an MG or a Honda...it should be all teams run same boost, if your not good enough as a team or driver, whether that be cause of no budget or lack of talent then work harder...not just expect some more 'boost' for next round....racing is tough, grow some and deal with it...
Edited by decadence on Monday 15th October 15:18
Do everyone a favor and walk away...
MGJohn said:
So, if there's an obvious improvement in the Hondas and some others come BH, what possibly would the reason for that be?
Anyone with decadent reasoning need not bother to offer an opinion ...
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It means they have had a boost increase, which if you bothered to take off your MG fanboy blinkers would mean that its farcical! Just leave every car with same boost, if that engine is better than another engine so be it, if the chassis is better if the driver is better, so be it, stop with this #equalisation' cause it clearly dosent work other than to keep it all close on the points table..it dosent keep it close on the track well not by Silverstones standards it dosent anyway.Anyone with decadent reasoning need not bother to offer an opinion ...
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MGJohn how many times will i have to say i dont give a s
t about Honda winning, i dont ruddy care about any driver or team bar say Rob Austin cause hes a Legend for just being himself, the rest of them i just want to watch a close battle...not a driver who is 1st in championship struggling in mid pack and the driver in 2nd place out front just so the last race at BH will be the decider.Maybe if we did equal boost then the shi1te teams would aspire to achieve more and push more and maybe get good drivers rather than ones that pay to do it who are s
te like Andy Neate and a good few others i could mention...if it was equal boost then maybe a team would not just rely on getting boost increase next race cause they were ste at the last one...if your ste its either the car or the driver or the team principles fault...or all three!! So giving these teams a boost increase just means they can continue to under achieve but likely get better results as the rest of the achievers get penalised for success....
Again what other sport would do this is such an obvious OTT way?
Making Ussain Bolt run in lead boots would likely make it easier for the rest to catch him....but it wouldn't make them any better at sprinting.....
decadence said:
MG CHRIS said:
Decadence why don't you sign up on the btcc forum and ask gow himself the boost levels of the cars. From what ive read the difference between the mg and honda is 0.05 bar of boost.
Maybe you should research just what kind of difference that ammount could make in BHP and torque ....According to sources Honda will get a boost increase for Brands Hatch due to poor showing at Silverstone. All I want to see isms close racing from top drivers. Not One weekend Hondas in mid pack... then next race Hondas up front and MG in mid pack ... BSB seem to manage fine, cracking races this weekend.
I still can't fathom how anyone can honestly say that having the Hondas nowhere at Silverstone was good for the racing... if you do it's cause you don't like Honda. But seriously I'd rather watch a race where it's close. Silverstone was a joke and only good if you are a Plato fanboy cause your deity won. For any impartial viewer it was s
te advert for apparent 'equalisation' of cars...but the fanboys will just come back with some abuse... but you know deep down I'm right, but you watch BTCC to see Plato win.. not to watch a cracking race... that's why your blinkered.
MG CHRIS said:
decadence said:
MG CHRIS said:
Decadence why don't you sign up on the btcc forum and ask gow himself the boost levels of the cars. From what ive read the difference between the mg and honda is 0.05 bar of boost.
Maybe you should research just what kind of difference that ammount could make in BHP and torque ....According to sources Honda will get a boost increase for Brands Hatch due to poor showing at Silverstone. All I want to see isms close racing from top drivers. Not One weekend Hondas in mid pack... then next race Hondas up front and MG in mid pack ... BSB seem to manage fine, cracking races this weekend.
I still can't fathom how anyone can honestly say that having the Hondas nowhere at Silverstone was good for the racing... if you do it's cause you don't like Honda. But seriously I'd rather watch a race where it's close. Silverstone was a joke and only good if you are a Plato fanboy cause your deity won. For any impartial viewer it was s
te advert for apparent 'equalisation' of cars...but the fanboys will just come back with some abuse... but you know deep down I'm right, but you watch BTCC to see Plato win.. not to watch a cracking race... that's why your blinkered.
To catch the best you have to be the best OR spend the most (or both ) , I get it that the worry for Gow was that teams would not want to commit on a budget if they had no chance against factory teams.. I get it, but really does a rubbish team want to compeat only cause the best are pegged back? Also MG are a factory team with a 2 time champ and 888 , they aren't a small team! why class them as one with loads of boost help?? it's just crazy. I know that there's loads of fans annoyed as well as teams and drivers... just not it seems anyone on here apart from me.. it's like you don't see what the rest are .., I am not the only person getting disenfranchised with BTCC..
7HP difference on a BTCC car, frankly, is hardly a massive increase.
Without pay drivers there would be no motorsport. Anywhere.
And as for Alan Gow engineering the results for a final round showdown, Ecclestone has been doing it in F1 for years. And those guys really know how to spend money.
Without pay drivers there would be no motorsport. Anywhere.
And as for Alan Gow engineering the results for a final round showdown, Ecclestone has been doing it in F1 for years. And those guys really know how to spend money.
Roo said:
7HP difference on a BTCC car, frankly, is hardly a massive increase.
Without pay drivers there would be no motorsport. Anywhere.
And as for Alan Gow engineering the results for a final round showdown, Ecclestone has been doing it in F1 for years. And those guys really know how to spend money.
Oh that's ok then if Bernie does it ...Without pay drivers there would be no motorsport. Anywhere.
And as for Alan Gow engineering the results for a final round showdown, Ecclestone has been doing it in F1 for years. And those guys really know how to spend money.
If theres no benefit in say 0.05 boost increase...... why have one then (I still dispute it's that low but question stands), why give someone. 0.05 increase if of will do nothing??? huh?
There's a difference between a paid for driver from sponsors or say an academy like the KX one , to a driver who just so happens to want to pay for a seat in BTCC. Alot of funded drivers actually have talent hence why they are backed and funded in first place... like and investment opportunity... Andy Neate has no talent in a BTCC car and frankly of he puts himself in the limelight he should expect to get criticised of he's not performing . Yes maybe BTCC needs drivers like Andy to bring in cash to race even though they wouldn't get a job driving the team truck if they were skint. But it doesnt mean we have to kiss arse and pretend he's any good does it?
Edited by decadence on Tuesday 16th October 00:03
decadence said:
Your a Plato fanboy , but why then weren't you moaning about Plato moaning about boost at Knockhill?? huh?? sorry what was that?
any answer to that? Plato pretty much invented the whole boost debate FFS!!
he pretty much still was moaning about boost on the grid interview just before he went from 20th to 1st in 12 laps.... ironic no?
muppet.....
Muppet??? No i am not a plato fan i support WSR and RAR. I have never moaned or not moaned about anything? You are making up conversations that we have never had just so you can talk about boost? Like i said in my previous post you twist anything to talk about boost. We have all heard you, please do feel free to come and talk to me at Brands Hatch, i will be parking infield and will be in a E39 530i sport (black) with alpina wheels any answer to that? Plato pretty much invented the whole boost debate FFS!!
he pretty much still was moaning about boost on the grid interview just before he went from 20th to 1st in 12 laps.... ironic no?
muppet.....
kodos said:
decadence said:
Your a Plato fanboy , but why then weren't you moaning about Plato moaning about boost at Knockhill?? huh?? sorry what was that?
any answer to that? Plato pretty much invented the whole boost debate FFS!!
he pretty much still was moaning about boost on the grid interview just before he went from 20th to 1st in 12 laps.... ironic no?
muppet.....
Muppet??? No i am not a plato fan i support WSR and RAR. I have never moaned or not moaned about anything? You are making up conversations that we have never had just so you can talk about boost? Like i said in my previous post you twist anything to talk about boost. We have all heard you, please do feel free to come and talk to me at Brands Hatch, i will be parking infield and will be in a E39 530i sport (black) with alpina wheels any answer to that? Plato pretty much invented the whole boost debate FFS!!
he pretty much still was moaning about boost on the grid interview just before he went from 20th to 1st in 12 laps.... ironic no?
muppet.....
Boost is mentioned cause its been the talk of BTCC since 2011. Pretty important, even the suggestion that a team may 'sandbag' so as to get more boost next race is a worry.
Currently it looks like if your doing crap you'll get a boost increase so you can catch up with the better teams who are putting in the effort / money.
The rules are there for a reason and they have been exploited and loop holes have been found, just like when SEAT and some race driver abused the reverse top ten finisher get pole rule in 2007? i think.....
Truth is most of Platos fanboys are from the fact hes 'off telly', Alan Gow has to keep Plato happy so the fanboys keep watching, as fanboys they can only cope if JP is winning, if hes not then the world is against him and its cause everyone else had more boost (like when Aron Smith made a fool of him at Knockhill).
So with this fear from Alan Gow JP plays on it to get special treatment or he'll 'walk away' taking hos fanboys and his sponsors, he holds them to randsom, but this is a guy whos record is nowhere near as good as he thinks it is under closer inspection.
His two championship wins have come whilst in vastly better cars at at points when the BTCC was on its arse. Beating Andy Rouses win record is something to tell your grand kids, just so long as they dont look into how Plato got most of those wins and also that Rouse never had 3 race weekends....
But so long as the fanboys are happy and when they tune into to watch TV personality Jason Plato race his car, as long as he stays in the hunt they will come back...
Its a joke....
Edited by decadence on Tuesday 16th October 10:59
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