Silverstone BTCC
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decadence said:
Well surely getting in a race car would do that alone. What it will be is the simple fact that Neate isn't a good race car driver, now what's worse this season is that the car is better than him so a few good quali's has given him some confidence that's not able to be matched by his talent, hence tripping up over others. Add to that the fact that MG is boosted more than Jordans Civic and Andy Neate found himself going much faster than a much more skilled driver in Jordan and he just couldn't cope with it and he crashed into Jordan...the man is out of control and looks dangerous in a BTCC car.
You're right of course. There was no way he should have been as fast as he was at Rockingham. Sliding off in the background under a safety car like James is amusing and doesn't affect anyone, but once the car is fast enough to start affecting other people's titles (Jordan) there really should be some mandatory standards.decadence said:
Football gets enough bad press these days but imagine if teams took on players cause they paid money to play? So upfront you have a bloke who cant score in a brothel lumbering around like a headless chicken and you couldn't replace him or sack him cause the sport was in a situation where he paid to play and if he went the sport would die through lack of finance......it is worrying and one that appears to be unique to motorsport only, i may be wrong on that, but what other sport allows this?
I'm struggling to think of one...decadence said:
I will add there is a big difference between a young driver would gains funding due to people spotting talent and nurturing it and helping fund a career to a bloke who makes millions then decides he wants to be a BTCC driver....
And also in Chris James defence at least hes a team owner which clearly is good enough to wina 2 races under Newsham, if nothing else Chris can say he is a good team owner...whats Andy Neate?
Stubborn, arrogant and misguided? That's the most polite thing I can come up withAnd also in Chris James defence at least hes a team owner which clearly is good enough to wina 2 races under Newsham, if nothing else Chris can say he is a good team owner...whats Andy Neate?
The Wookie said:
decadence said:
And also in Chris James defence at least hes a team owner which clearly is good enough to wina 2 races under Newsham, if nothing else Chris can say he is a good team owner...whats Andy Neate?
Is that rhetorical or are you looking for a specific answer? 
Plato from after Knockhill on Arron Smith:
Plato also hit out at the equalisation measures in the series, which mean that some cars are allowed to run more turbo boost than others.
"His performance has been increased by the power," added Plato. "It's frustrating beyond belief."
After Silverstone after MG get boost:
"THAT...is the best chassis in motorsport, right there (points to the Chinese Rover)"
So hang on...why wasnt the Focus the best chassis then?
errmmmm....
Platos good at PR but he needs to lay off suggesting that when someone is faster than him its the car...when hes fastest...its all him and a trick chassis.....
I am amazed what Honda will make of all this, they help support Team Dynamics and offer factory help, they make the best car on the grid yet at Silverstone they are getting passed by 7 year old BMW's and battling with last years Civic, i'm suprised Honda even feel its worse bothering especially when Team Dynamics were first team to commit budget to NGTC...thats how they are repaid. Grinds my gears...as you can tell....mainly cause no other manufacturer will bother to return unless Plato drives for them..
Plato also hit out at the equalisation measures in the series, which mean that some cars are allowed to run more turbo boost than others.
"His performance has been increased by the power," added Plato. "It's frustrating beyond belief."
After Silverstone after MG get boost:
"THAT...is the best chassis in motorsport, right there (points to the Chinese Rover)"
So hang on...why wasnt the Focus the best chassis then?
errmmmm....
Platos good at PR but he needs to lay off suggesting that when someone is faster than him its the car...when hes fastest...its all him and a trick chassis.....
I am amazed what Honda will make of all this, they help support Team Dynamics and offer factory help, they make the best car on the grid yet at Silverstone they are getting passed by 7 year old BMW's and battling with last years Civic, i'm suprised Honda even feel its worse bothering especially when Team Dynamics were first team to commit budget to NGTC...thats how they are repaid. Grinds my gears...as you can tell....mainly cause no other manufacturer will bother to return unless Plato drives for them..
Someone elsewhere mentioned BTCC was infested with Grosjean and Maldonado style Sharks... 
... That's a good observation being both amusing and more importantly, accurate.
Inexperienced Minnows like Neate will do very well just to survive in that Shark infested scenario.
On the few occasions this season when Neate has showed well, it was simply a matter of time before a Shark predated.
I clearly remember him leading one race for a few laps during which time it was simply a matter of time before some 'Shark' predator struck and it was goodbye Neate off the track. So bluddy predictable it really is annoyingly boring when that happens and many here ignore or applaud the unfair move depending on their bias of fan boy status.
Such is the level of Fan Boy bias and hatred at all levels here on PH, not a mention about that. Neate's not one of 'us' so who gives a sh!t. Oh how we cheered but, Neal, "Flash" or Plato given such treatment and many PHers form queues to shout
foul! Tear up his licence and other such bollooox...
Still, helps to pass the time all this he's got more boost than me and too much lead in my car. The Stewards have their favourites and turn a blind eye.
Yesterday, some divine intervention really was in evidence ... no Stewards' assist or blind eye turning there with the favoured ones... Lady luck really stepped in BIG TIME and in so doing, gave the points a much needed shake up.
Net result, roll on Brands... anything could and probably will happen there ... Good eh!
...
... That's a good observation being both amusing and more importantly, accurate. Inexperienced Minnows like Neate will do very well just to survive in that Shark infested scenario.
On the few occasions this season when Neate has showed well, it was simply a matter of time before a Shark predated.
I clearly remember him leading one race for a few laps during which time it was simply a matter of time before some 'Shark' predator struck and it was goodbye Neate off the track. So bluddy predictable it really is annoyingly boring when that happens and many here ignore or applaud the unfair move depending on their bias of fan boy status.
Such is the level of Fan Boy bias and hatred at all levels here on PH, not a mention about that. Neate's not one of 'us' so who gives a sh!t. Oh how we cheered but, Neal, "Flash" or Plato given such treatment and many PHers form queues to shout
foul! Tear up his licence and other such bollooox...Still, helps to pass the time all this he's got more boost than me and too much lead in my car. The Stewards have their favourites and turn a blind eye.
Yesterday, some divine intervention really was in evidence ... no Stewards' assist or blind eye turning there with the favoured ones... Lady luck really stepped in BIG TIME and in so doing, gave the points a much needed shake up.
Net result, roll on Brands... anything could and probably will happen there ... Good eh!
... Decadence,
I think everyone gets how you feel about Potato now but you need to lay off a bit. I don't like him as a person or as a driver but the endless repetitive posts about stuff that's happened during previous races, things he's said etc etc are a bit obsessive and you are beginning to ruin perfectly good threads.
There are a few drivers out there I think are complete tools and I will give my opinion here and there but you are getting a little extreme about this Plato hate thing.
I think everyone gets how you feel about Potato now but you need to lay off a bit. I don't like him as a person or as a driver but the endless repetitive posts about stuff that's happened during previous races, things he's said etc etc are a bit obsessive and you are beginning to ruin perfectly good threads.
There are a few drivers out there I think are complete tools and I will give my opinion here and there but you are getting a little extreme about this Plato hate thing.
Edited by StoatInACoat on Monday 8th October 15:16
decadence said:
Plato from after Knockhill on Arron Smith:
Plato also hit out at the equalisation measures in the series, which mean that some cars are allowed to run more turbo boost than others.
"His performance has been increased by the power," added Plato. "It's frustrating beyond belief."
After Silverstone after MG get boost:
"THAT...is the best chassis in motorsport, right there (points to the Chinese Rover)"
So hang on...why wasnt the Focus the best chassis then?
errmmmm....
Platos good at PR but he needs to lay off suggesting that when someone is faster than him its the car...when hes fastest...its all him and a trick chassis.....
I am amazed what Honda will make of all this, they help support Team Dynamics and offer factory help, they make the best car on the grid yet at Silverstone they are getting passed by 7 year old BMW's and battling with last years Civic, i'm suprised Honda even feel its worse bothering especially when Team Dynamics were first team to commit budget to NGTC...thats how they are repaid. Grinds my gears...as you can tell....mainly cause no other manufacturer will bother to return unless Plato drives for them..
Spot on mate! Plato also hit out at the equalisation measures in the series, which mean that some cars are allowed to run more turbo boost than others.
"His performance has been increased by the power," added Plato. "It's frustrating beyond belief."
After Silverstone after MG get boost:
"THAT...is the best chassis in motorsport, right there (points to the Chinese Rover)"
So hang on...why wasnt the Focus the best chassis then?
errmmmm....
Platos good at PR but he needs to lay off suggesting that when someone is faster than him its the car...when hes fastest...its all him and a trick chassis.....
I am amazed what Honda will make of all this, they help support Team Dynamics and offer factory help, they make the best car on the grid yet at Silverstone they are getting passed by 7 year old BMW's and battling with last years Civic, i'm suprised Honda even feel its worse bothering especially when Team Dynamics were first team to commit budget to NGTC...thats how they are repaid. Grinds my gears...as you can tell....mainly cause no other manufacturer will bother to return unless Plato drives for them..
Anyone recall this rant from last year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iiu6lwc0ziw&fea...
"I'm either blind or stupid...."
He really does have a short memory, doesn't he?
Earlier in the year the commentators talked about how the MG is very good on the brakes (Plato also mentioned this) and has more traction than the other front wheel drive cars coming out of slow corners. Could it be that the track suited the car, especially with no weight in it?
Plato, Neal and Shedden have all had races where they've come from the back. The reason Plato looked so dominant was the lack of performance from the Hondas, also are the Pirtek cars under the same restrictions as Team Dynamics?
And Wookie; Neate DID have a puncture near the start of race three - it was caused by contact with another car iirc, which doesn't help his case.
Plato, Neal and Shedden have all had races where they've come from the back. The reason Plato looked so dominant was the lack of performance from the Hondas, also are the Pirtek cars under the same restrictions as Team Dynamics?
And Wookie; Neate DID have a puncture near the start of race three - it was caused by contact with another car iirc, which doesn't help his case.
Having seen Neate's rantings, he's gone right down in my estimation after that.
Talking of Twitter, a post from Jason Plato last night:
"Jason Plato @jasonplato
Xfactor what a total load of s
te... Terrible scripting nonsense , feel for Caroline"
I could say the same about the BTCC this season Jason.
Talking of Twitter, a post from Jason Plato last night:
"Jason Plato @jasonplato
Xfactor what a total load of s
te... Terrible scripting nonsense , feel for Caroline"I could say the same about the BTCC this season Jason.
all getting a bit pantomine for me.
gow has engineered the spectacular finale. Sheddon will win.
Got to feel for wookie, and whilst i'm not particularly fond of either neal or plato, I have to say neate is just downright dangerous. Its such a shame for the sport that o'neil, who showed his undoubted talent at knockhill cant get a drive but neate seems to continue to race like he's on PS3.
Despite the apology, distinct lack of class from neal senior re the marshall comment.
gow has engineered the spectacular finale. Sheddon will win.
Got to feel for wookie, and whilst i'm not particularly fond of either neal or plato, I have to say neate is just downright dangerous. Its such a shame for the sport that o'neil, who showed his undoubted talent at knockhill cant get a drive but neate seems to continue to race like he's on PS3.
Despite the apology, distinct lack of class from neal senior re the marshall comment.
Really enjoyed watching a great days racing on the telly. Silverstone just seems to suit very close racing for the BTCC. That new Focus is awesome, looks great and some superb driving by Matt Jackson, really looking forward to seeing it do a full season next year.
Plato on form as well, he really is a sponsors dream bigging up the car, sponsors and pretty much eveything MG. Great drive in race 3.
I'll keep cheering Ollie on in the Golf, saw quite a bit of you at the start of race 3 with the MG and Honda near by. Hopefully Dave & the crew can get you a top notch set up for Brands. Really looking forward to that weekend, I might even be able to escape family commitment & sneak down to watch....hmmmmm.
Plato on form as well, he really is a sponsors dream bigging up the car, sponsors and pretty much eveything MG. Great drive in race 3.
I'll keep cheering Ollie on in the Golf, saw quite a bit of you at the start of race 3 with the MG and Honda near by. Hopefully Dave & the crew can get you a top notch set up for Brands. Really looking forward to that weekend, I might even be able to escape family commitment & sneak down to watch....hmmmmm.
IainW said:
Having seen Neate's rantings, he's gone right down in my estimation after that.
Talking of Twitter, a post from Jason Plato last night:
"Jason Plato @jasonplato
Xfactor what a total load of ste... Terrible scripting nonsense , feel for Caroline"
I could say the same about the BTCC this season Jason.
You really couldn't make it up!! fantastic stuff! Alan Gow is puppet master same as Cowell...Talking of Twitter, a post from Jason Plato last night:
"Jason Plato @jasonplato
Xfactor what a total load of s
te... Terrible scripting nonsense , feel for Caroline"I could say the same about the BTCC this season Jason.
fatboy69 said:
What was the comment re the marshalls? Pretty insensitive if he slagged off the marshalls as without them there would be no racing at all.
he said the marshall was too fat to get over the wall and his poor little lad with the poorly hand had to put the fire out himself.he was made to eat his words later on but the damage was done.
great advert for giving up your time for free to marshall....
fatboy69 said:
What was the comment re the marshalls? Pretty insensitive if he slagged off the marshalls as without them there would be no racing at all.
Matts dad called the marshals fat and useless effectively. He would have preferred they could run quicker to whatever random spot his son stops and then jump down into a small gap between a concrete wall, and a burning car, to put it out.Ok he apologised, live on TV. And it was the heat of the moment wanting to keep the car in one piece for the next race. But having just signed up as a marshal there is no chance I'd be getting between a fire and a hardplace if it's just the car down there, and I can fight the fire from a safer place.
fatboy69 said:
What was the comment re the marshalls? Pretty insensitive if he slagged off the marshalls as without them there would be no racing at all.
The Golden Child stopped his Roast Civic just past a gaggle of Marshals. Neal Snr took great exception to them taking (in his opinion) too long to jump off a 4 or 5 foot high wall and render assistance to young Matthew. Darth Sidious then went on to suggest that said Marshals were a tad portly, which is a bit like the pot calling the kettle Grimey arse. It's worth noting that his public apology only came after he and the Team were well & truly hammered on Farcebook, t
tter and various Motorsport forums, not only for the comment itself, but their half-baked attempt at an apology via their Official Farcebook page.Edited by MonkeyHanger on Monday 8th October 16:51
Just in case any of you are interested in facts, here are some:
Silverstone Official mph Speed Trap figures: number is an average of Q, R1,R2,R3 bests
Trap 1: Wellington Straight
Matt Jackson 137.77
Jason Plato 134.73
Matt Neal 132.00
Gordon Shedden 131.53
Trap 2: Finish Line
Matt Jackson 127.47
Jason Plato 125.85
Matt Neal 122.48
Gordon Shedden 122.80
Silverstone Official mph Speed Trap figures: number is an average of Q, R1,R2,R3 bests
Trap 1: Wellington Straight
Matt Jackson 137.77
Jason Plato 134.73
Matt Neal 132.00
Gordon Shedden 131.53
Trap 2: Finish Line
Matt Jackson 127.47
Jason Plato 125.85
Matt Neal 122.48
Gordon Shedden 122.80
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