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Shaw Tarse

22,240 posts

86 months

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Button in need of a new gearbox?

Mini1275

10,332 posts

65 months

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Yep:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103002

Autosport said:
Jenson Button will have a five-place grid penalty for the Japanese Grand Prix because he needs a new gearbox for the Suzuka weekend, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

The Briton returns to the scene of his brilliant victory 12 months ago, 75 points adrift of championship leader Fernando Alonso, and well aware that only a victory will keep alive his slim title hopes.

But he has already been given some bad news, with post-race investigations of his gearbox after the Singapore GP uncovering an identical gearbox problem to that which had put Lewis Hamilton out of the race.

McLaren has no option but to change Button's gearbox for a new one, which means he will moved down five places on the grid.

Hamilton will also be fitted with a new gearbox, but he will not suffer any penalty as he did not finish the last race.

McLaren technical director Paddy Lowe told AUTOSPORT: "Jenson's gearbox had the same problem as Lewis's gearbox during the Singapore Grand Prix, and subsequent investigation has revealed a terminal failure.

"Therefore both cars must start the Japanese Grand Prix with new gearboxes, which means that Jenson will receive a five-place penalty.

"Of course, this is a great disappointment for Jenson and the team. On the positive side, we have understood and completely resolved the issue, allowing both drivers to compete with confidence for podium positions."

Hamilton heads to the Japanese GP 52 points behind Alonso, with six races remaining in this year's title battle.



I reckon it'll be :

Hamilton
Vettel
Alonso
Raikkonen
Button

Jasandjules

50,438 posts

112 months

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I get the feeling that Lewis is looking to go out with a bang, and is going to take Pole again.....

Mr_Thyroid

973 posts

110 months

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It'll really get Alonso worried if Webber is back on form and the Lotus update works. Something like:

Hamilton
Vettel
Raikkonen
Webber
Button
Alonso

A Scotsman

951 posts

82 months

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How utterly ridiculous.. Hamilton has to stop during the Singapore race because of a gearbox failure but Button makes it to the end OK. Both have to have a gearbox change.

However, Hamilton doesn't get a penalty but Button does. F1 rules just don't make any darn sense.
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miniman

16,924 posts

145 months

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A Scotsman said:
How utterly ridiculous.. Hamilton has to stop during the Singapore race because of a gearbox failure but Button makes it to the end OK. Both have to have a gearbox change.

However, Hamilton doesn't get a penalty but Button does. F1 rules just don't make any darn sense.
At the end of the last race, Button had a working car, Hamilton didn't. Button can start the next race in that car. Hamilton can't. The team has chosen to change Button's gearbox, they have no choice with Hamilton's.

Hence the penalty.

Fonz

238 posts

67 months

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There are too many rules that drop drivers down the grid though. I do understand it is to try and get the teams to make the parts last longer and keep the costs down (although probably not) but it does make the sport look a tad silly sometimes.

FloppyRaccoon

1,916 posts

49 months

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Fonz said:
There are too many rules that drop drivers down the grid though. I do understand it is to try and get the teams to make the parts last longer and keep the costs down (although probably not) but it does make the sport look a tad silly sometimes.
There's been far too many gearbox penalties this year. Seems like at least one every race.

woof

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8,005 posts

160 months

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FloppyRaccoon said:
Fonz said:
There are too many rules that drop drivers down the grid though. I do understand it is to try and get the teams to make the parts last longer and keep the costs down (although probably not) but it does make the sport look a tad silly sometimes.
There's been far too many gearbox penalties this year. Seems like at least one every race.
Did Mclaren end up saying the knew they had a problem but thought they could get it to the end of the race and figured the 5 place drop wasn't worth it ?


tux

1,940 posts

91 months

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If you think the gearbox rules are ridiculous then sit down for this one. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102997

Who decided that?

MGJohn

8,033 posts

66 months

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tux said:
If you think the gearbox rules are ridiculous then sit down for this one. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102997

Who decided that?
Could be a productively positive decision and provide much needed employment in that cash strapped country.

IainT

9,083 posts

121 months

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woof said:
Did Mclaren end up saying the knew they had a problem but thought they could get it to the end of the race and figured the 5 place drop wasn't worth it ?
They said they didn't know about the problem until some distance in the race where telemetry showed a sudden rise in temps, followed by a loss seamless shifting. They thought they would still finish but temps continued to rise, gears were lost and then it failed totally. This all happened over a few laps - no choice but to keep going.

woof

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8,005 posts

160 months

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IainT said:
woof said:
Did Mclaren end up saying the knew they had a problem but thought they could get it to the end of the race and figured the 5 place drop wasn't worth it ?
They said they didn't know about the problem until some distance in the race where telemetry showed a sudden rise in temps, followed by a loss seamless shifting. They thought they would still finish but temps continued to rise, gears were lost and then it failed totally. This all happened over a few laps - no choice but to keep going.
Cheers
The PH forum really needs a "like" function

El Guapo

2,058 posts

73 months

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1. Alonso
2. Button
3. Räikkönen

Scuffers

13,328 posts

157 months

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it would be impressive if Lewis could the win the next 5 races...

Mojocvh

14,645 posts

145 months

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woof said:
IainT said:
woof said:
Did Mclaren end up saying the knew they had a problem but thought they could get it to the end of the race and figured the 5 place drop wasn't worth it ?
They said they didn't know about the problem until some distance in the race where telemetry showed a sudden rise in temps, followed by a loss seamless shifting. They thought they would still finish but temps continued to rise, gears were lost and then it failed totally. This all happened over a few laps - no choice but to keep going.
Cheers
The PH forum really needs a "like" function
So it had nothing to do with the rolleyes brush rolleyes with the wall then hehe

B on Topic

This has all the hallmarks of a being a GREAT race!

Steamer

9,241 posts

96 months

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MGJohn said:
tux said:
If you think the gearbox rules are ridiculous then sit down for this one. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102997

Who decided that?
Could be a productively positive decision and provide much needed employment in that cash strapped country.
As long as Bernie decides to go there more than once.

Mr_Thyroid

973 posts

110 months

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Scuffers said:
it would be impressive if Lewis could the win the next 5 races...
And then choke in the final race like before.

Mermaid

16,982 posts

54 months

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Jasandjules said:
I get the feeling that Lewis is looking to go out with a bang, and is going to take Pole again.....
& perform better in the remaining races.

another 3 points

491 posts

80 months

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Mermaid said:
& perform better in the remaining races.
That if his pit crew don't nobble his stop.
I suspect he will continue to believe his own hype and the red mist will again come down. Im sure the McL team effort will still be behind Button.
Tows the line, good for the brand, good with the press, not stepped out of line all season...bound to get the No1 treatment from now on.

Meanwhile over in the red garage, out of the limelight Alonso is just quietly getting on with it..
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