The Official Japanese GP Thread 2012 ***SPOILERS***
Discussion
A Scotsman said:
How utterly ridiculous.. Hamilton has to stop during the Singapore race because of a gearbox failure but Button makes it to the end OK. Both have to have a gearbox change.
However, Hamilton doesn't get a penalty but Button does. F1 rules just don't make any darn sense.
At the end of the last race, Button had a working car, Hamilton didn't. Button can start the next race in that car. Hamilton can't. The team has chosen to change Button's gearbox, they have no choice with Hamilton's. However, Hamilton doesn't get a penalty but Button does. F1 rules just don't make any darn sense.
Hence the penalty.
Fonz said:
There are too many rules that drop drivers down the grid though. I do understand it is to try and get the teams to make the parts last longer and keep the costs down (although probably not) but it does make the sport look a tad silly sometimes.
There's been far too many gearbox penalties this year. Seems like at least one every race. 
FloppyRaccoon said:
Fonz said:
There are too many rules that drop drivers down the grid though. I do understand it is to try and get the teams to make the parts last longer and keep the costs down (although probably not) but it does make the sport look a tad silly sometimes.
There's been far too many gearbox penalties this year. Seems like at least one every race. If you think the gearbox rules are ridiculous then sit down for this one. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102997
Who decided that?
Who decided that?
tux said:
If you think the gearbox rules are ridiculous then sit down for this one. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102997
Who decided that?
Could be a productively positive decision and provide much needed employment in that cash strapped country. Who decided that?
woof said:
Did Mclaren end up saying the knew they had a problem but thought they could get it to the end of the race and figured the 5 place drop wasn't worth it ?
They said they didn't know about the problem until some distance in the race where telemetry showed a sudden rise in temps, followed by a loss seamless shifting. They thought they would still finish but temps continued to rise, gears were lost and then it failed totally. This all happened over a few laps - no choice but to keep going.IainT said:
woof said:
Did Mclaren end up saying the knew they had a problem but thought they could get it to the end of the race and figured the 5 place drop wasn't worth it ?
They said they didn't know about the problem until some distance in the race where telemetry showed a sudden rise in temps, followed by a loss seamless shifting. They thought they would still finish but temps continued to rise, gears were lost and then it failed totally. This all happened over a few laps - no choice but to keep going.The PH forum really needs a "like" function
woof said:
IainT said:
woof said:
Did Mclaren end up saying the knew they had a problem but thought they could get it to the end of the race and figured the 5 place drop wasn't worth it ?
They said they didn't know about the problem until some distance in the race where telemetry showed a sudden rise in temps, followed by a loss seamless shifting. They thought they would still finish but temps continued to rise, gears were lost and then it failed totally. This all happened over a few laps - no choice but to keep going.The PH forum really needs a "like" function
brush with the wall then 
B on Topic
This has all the hallmarks of a being a GREAT race!
MGJohn said:
tux said:
If you think the gearbox rules are ridiculous then sit down for this one. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102997
Who decided that?
Could be a productively positive decision and provide much needed employment in that cash strapped country. Who decided that?
Mermaid said:
& perform better in the remaining races.
That if his pit crew don't nobble his stop. I suspect he will continue to believe his own hype and the red mist will again come down. Im sure the McL team effort will still be behind Button.
Tows the line, good for the brand, good with the press, not stepped out of line all season...bound to get the No1 treatment from now on.
Meanwhile over in the red garage, out of the limelight Alonso is just quietly getting on with it..
If you guys thought this year was particularly bad on gearbox failures, just wait until the 2014 regulations kick in. Rules at the moment state that a gearbox must last 4 races and on top of that, all teams must select the 30 gear ratios that they intend to use for the entire season.
This is the fun part. As of 2014 you only have 4 gearboxes to your disposal and 8 gear ratios to chose from. Is this really F1, sounds more like formula Ford.
I expect Lewis to go very well in Suzuka and at the same time expecting him to blow his team mate away too (finishing 30 secs ahead of him by the end of the race).
Its a circuit that should suit the McLaren. High speed with high speed corners too. Dont rule out Maldornado to have a good showing. He perform well in Barcelona and this track may just suit their car.
This is the fun part. As of 2014 you only have 4 gearboxes to your disposal and 8 gear ratios to chose from. Is this really F1, sounds more like formula Ford.
I expect Lewis to go very well in Suzuka and at the same time expecting him to blow his team mate away too (finishing 30 secs ahead of him by the end of the race).
Its a circuit that should suit the McLaren. High speed with high speed corners too. Dont rule out Maldornado to have a good showing. He perform well in Barcelona and this track may just suit their car.
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