Suzuka 1989, proof Prost took Senna out deliberately
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https://vimeo.com/48685407
Catch it before FOM attempt to hide the truth (again).
Disclaimer: I made this vid ages ago and the it's a bit ropey - a couple of edits away from the final version, but doing the overlays and stills themselves took about a week. I was going to show comparison of Prost's line from Senna's perspective through 130R on a normal lap, and the lap where he was suckering him in. The difference was visual to the viewer and therefore, huge. But due to repeated blocks and attention from FOM, I lost interest.
Catch it before FOM attempt to hide the truth (again).
Disclaimer: I made this vid ages ago and the it's a bit ropey - a couple of edits away from the final version, but doing the overlays and stills themselves took about a week. I was going to show comparison of Prost's line from Senna's perspective through 130R on a normal lap, and the lap where he was suckering him in. The difference was visual to the viewer and therefore, huge. But due to repeated blocks and attention from FOM, I lost interest.
Most drivers take a different line when someone is closing on them to over take, I don't think that is proof positive that he had plotted to 'take him out' from the begining. I personally think he decided he wasn't going to be bullied/embarrassed by Senna and put his car in a position where he let Senna decide if they would have an accident or not.
NISaxoVTR said:
Most drivers take a different line when someone is closing on them to over take, I don't think that is proof positive that he had plotted to 'take him out' from the begining. I personally think he decided he wasn't going to be bullied/embarrassed by Senna and put his car in a position where he let Senna decide if they would have an accident or not.
I cant watch the posted vid at work. Senna was along side him pretty much level and had the line for the corner. Prost turned in waaaaaayyyyy to early and the cars being so close obv they touched.
Its always looked that way to me from what i can remember if Prost had carried on turning on the angle he was most / all of his car would be on the grass at the apex. Prost should of given up the position and tried to re pass later in the race.
Prost tried to take him out.
mattikake said:
https://vimeo.com/48685407
Catch it before FOM attempt to hide the truth (again).
Disclaimer: I made this vid ages ago and the it's a bit ropey - a couple of edits away from the final version, but doing the overlays and stills themselves took about a week. I was going to show comparison of Prost's line from Senna's perspective through 130R on a normal lap, and the lap where he was suckering him in. The difference was visual to the viewer and therefore, huge. But due to repeated blocks and attention from FOM, I lost interest.
Taking todays level of racing, isn't that a very daft place to try and overtake/undercut a car into the chicane? Seems like Senna (and no I've never seen the race) was closing in quickly regardless - couldn't he have chosen a better place to attempt a pass?Catch it before FOM attempt to hide the truth (again).
Disclaimer: I made this vid ages ago and the it's a bit ropey - a couple of edits away from the final version, but doing the overlays and stills themselves took about a week. I was going to show comparison of Prost's line from Senna's perspective through 130R on a normal lap, and the lap where he was suckering him in. The difference was visual to the viewer and therefore, huge. But due to repeated blocks and attention from FOM, I lost interest.
Spanna said:
As much of a b
d I think Prost was, he was still a truly great driver. What about the other Senna/Prost crash the following season?
Senna got his own back. It was obvious that was going to happen at the time. All the talk was about the pole position placement. d I think Prost was, he was still a truly great driver. What about the other Senna/Prost crash the following season?In some respects i think Senna got a bad deal from the FIA especially when that French fella was in charge ( i forget his name ) he certainly seemed to look after Prost.
theshrew said:
I cant watch the posted vid at work.
Senna was along side him pretty much level and had the line for the corner. Prost turned in waaaaaayyyyy to early and the cars being so close obv they touched.
Its always looked that way to me from what i can remember if Prost had carried on turning on the angle he was most / all of his car would be on the grass at the apex. Prost should of given up the position and tried to re pass later in the race.
Prost tried to take him out.
It was a bit before my time but I believe the 'you must leave a cars width of room' is a relatively new rule. It's not unusual for F1 drivers to push each other of the track (Vettel vs Alonso this year) and even into walls (Schumi on Barrichello). Prost tried to push him off, or into braking, and with the situation being as it was didn't care if Senna didn't back down.Senna was along side him pretty much level and had the line for the corner. Prost turned in waaaaaayyyyy to early and the cars being so close obv they touched.
Its always looked that way to me from what i can remember if Prost had carried on turning on the angle he was most / all of his car would be on the grass at the apex. Prost should of given up the position and tried to re pass later in the race.
Prost tried to take him out.
theshrew said:
Spanna said:
As much of a bd I think Prost was, he was still a truly great driver. What about the other Senna/Prost crash the following season?
Senna got his own back. It was obvious that was going to happen at the time. All the talk was about the pole position placement. d I think Prost was, he was still a truly great driver. What about the other Senna/Prost crash the following season?In some respects i think Senna got a bad deal from the FIA especially when that French fella was in charge ( i forget his name ) he certainly seemed to look after Prost.
.mattikake said:
From what I have seen around, there's a lot of people that still think it was just a "racing accident". Mostly idiots, noobs and youtubers etc. granted... but also quite a few I've seen on PH.
Maybe those people will keep quiet from posting this time?
Even if deliberate it was at slow speed and not dangerous at all. What Senna did the following year was 10 times worse and 2 wrongs don't make a right (although they did back then as they both won championships - albeit the wrong way round).Maybe those people will keep quiet from posting this time?
oyster said:
mattikake said:
From what I have seen around, there's a lot of people that still think it was just a "racing accident". Mostly idiots, noobs and youtubers etc. granted... but also quite a few I've seen on PH.
Maybe those people will keep quiet from posting this time?
Even if deliberate it was at slow speed and not dangerous at all. What Senna did the following year was 10 times worse and 2 wrongs don't make a right (although they did back then as they both won championships - albeit the wrong way round).Maybe those people will keep quiet from posting this time?
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