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mattikake
Original Poster
4,025 posts
68 months
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https://vimeo.com/48685407Catch it before FOM attempt to hide the truth (again). Disclaimer: I made this vid ages ago and the it's a bit ropey - a couple of edits away from the final version, but doing the overlays and stills themselves took about a week. I was going to show comparison of Prost's line from Senna's perspective through 130R on a normal lap, and the lap where he was suckering him in. The difference was visual to the viewer and therefore, huge. But due to repeated blocks and attention from FOM, I lost interest.
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spikey78
130 posts
50 months
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No s  t sherlock!!
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coppice
618 posts
13 months
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Err ..didn't most of us know this already? God knows I have read enough articles commenting on the fact that Prost was so clumsy in doing it - on grounds he had not resorted to this sort of stunt before. Front page doesn't need holding really.
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NISaxoVTR
191 posts
38 months
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Most drivers take a different line when someone is closing on them to over take, I don't think that is proof positive that he had plotted to 'take him out' from the begining. I personally think he decided he wasn't going to be bullied/embarrassed by Senna and put his car in a position where he let Senna decide if they would have an accident or not.
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Agoogy
6,510 posts
117 months
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I didn't realise it was the subject of any debate.... cut and dried case of turning across and into Senna...and EVEN if it was new and more efficient racing line, Senna is at least half way past him and should've been given room.
Nice to watch the old boys going at it again though...
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Spanna
1,501 posts
45 months
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As much of a b d I think Prost was, he was still a truly great driver. What about the other Senna/Prost crash the following season?
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mattikake
Original Poster
4,025 posts
68 months
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From what I have seen around, there's a lot of people that still think it was just a "racing accident". Mostly idiots, noobs and youtubers etc. granted... but also quite a few I've seen on PH.
Maybe those people will keep quiet from posting this time?
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KaraK
10,616 posts
78 months
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It's ~23 years ago, one of the participants is dead and the other long since retired off into the sunset. Does anyone other than the OP actually care any more?
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theshrew
1,503 posts
53 months
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NISaxoVTR said: Most drivers take a different line when someone is closing on them to over take, I don't think that is proof positive that he had plotted to 'take him out' from the begining. I personally think he decided he wasn't going to be bullied/embarrassed by Senna and put his car in a position where he let Senna decide if they would have an accident or not. I cant watch the posted vid at work. Senna was along side him pretty much level and had the line for the corner. Prost turned in waaaaaayyyyy to early and the cars being so close obv they touched. Its always looked that way to me from what i can remember if Prost had carried on turning on the angle he was most / all of his car would be on the grass at the apex. Prost should of given up the position and tried to re pass later in the race. Prost tried to take him out.
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Phil-CH
1,124 posts
133 months
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mattikake said: https://vimeo.com/48685407Catch it before FOM attempt to hide the truth (again). Disclaimer: I made this vid ages ago and the it's a bit ropey - a couple of edits away from the final version, but doing the overlays and stills themselves took about a week. I was going to show comparison of Prost's line from Senna's perspective through 130R on a normal lap, and the lap where he was suckering him in. The difference was visual to the viewer and therefore, huge. But due to repeated blocks and attention from FOM, I lost interest. Taking todays level of racing, isn't that a very daft place to try and overtake/undercut a car into the chicane? Seems like Senna (and no I've never seen the race) was closing in quickly regardless - couldn't he have chosen a better place to attempt a pass?
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theshrew
1,503 posts
53 months
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Spanna said: As much of a b d I think Prost was, he was still a truly great driver. What about the other Senna/Prost crash the following season? Senna got his own back. It was obvious that was going to happen at the time. All the talk was about the pole position placement. In some respects i think Senna got a bad deal from the FIA especially when that French fella was in charge ( i forget his name ) he certainly seemed to look after Prost.
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NISaxoVTR
191 posts
38 months
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theshrew said: I cant watch the posted vid at work.
Senna was along side him pretty much level and had the line for the corner. Prost turned in waaaaaayyyyy to early and the cars being so close obv they touched.
Its always looked that way to me from what i can remember if Prost had carried on turning on the angle he was most / all of his car would be on the grass at the apex. Prost should of given up the position and tried to re pass later in the race.
Prost tried to take him out. It was a bit before my time but I believe the 'you must leave a cars width of room' is a relatively new rule. It's not unusual for F1 drivers to push each other of the track (Vettel vs Alonso this year) and even into walls (Schumi on Barrichello). Prost tried to push him off, or into braking, and with the situation being as it was didn't care if Senna didn't back down.
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theshrew
1,503 posts
53 months
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Phil-CH said: Taking todays level of racing, isn't that a very daft place to try and overtake/undercut a car into the chicane? Seems like Senna (and no I've never seen the race) was closing in quickly regardless - couldn't he have chosen a better place to attempt a pass? Oh dear
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Disastrous
3,597 posts
86 months
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Seems like quite a lot of time and effort for something that's ancient history.
If you don't mind me asking, OP, what's the point of this? Is it meant to change anything or just a hobby (in which case, fair enough!)?
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REALIST123
1,567 posts
22 months
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theshrew said: Spanna said: As much of a b d I think Prost was, he was still a truly great driver. What about the other Senna/Prost crash the following season? Senna got his own back. It was obvious that was going to happen at the time. All the talk was about the pole position placement. In some respects i think Senna got a bad deal from the FIA especially when that French fella was in charge ( i forget his name ) he certainly seemed to look after Prost. Balestre. French. .
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CocoUK
430 posts
51 months
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Mattikake you put together some awesome videos, I look forward to seeing a 'Hamilton McLaren compilation'.
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Ahonen
3,593 posts
148 months
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Mattikake, you are a touch behind the times. JYS commented at the time that you could tell Prost had never done anything like that before because he did it so badly.
Senna, on the other hand, was a past master at the dirty tactic.
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johnfelstead
3,477 posts
105 months
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What's a youtuber and why is it a bad thing? lol
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oyster
5,220 posts
117 months
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mattikake said: From what I have seen around, there's a lot of people that still think it was just a "racing accident". Mostly idiots, noobs and youtubers etc. granted... but also quite a few I've seen on PH.
Maybe those people will keep quiet from posting this time? Even if deliberate it was at slow speed and not dangerous at all. What Senna did the following year was 10 times worse and 2 wrongs don't make a right (although they did back then as they both won championships - albeit the wrong way round).
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REALIST123
1,567 posts
22 months
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oyster said: mattikake said: From what I have seen around, there's a lot of people that still think it was just a "racing accident". Mostly idiots, noobs and youtubers etc. granted... but also quite a few I've seen on PH.
Maybe those people will keep quiet from posting this time? Even if deliberate it was at slow speed and not dangerous at all. What Senna did the following year was 10 times worse and 2 wrongs don't make a right (although they did back then as they both won championships - albeit the wrong way round). At least Senna told everyone he was going to do it.
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