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RegMolehusband said:
Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn says Michael Schumacher is the greatest Formula 1 driver of the 21st century. That's good enough for me. Sad to see him go.
Rosberg must be the second coming then as he has whooped Schumis ass over the last two seasons and looks like he will do it again this year.And explain what your sad about exactly? What has he brought to the table?
doogz said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Rosberg must be the second coming then as he has whooped Schumis ass over the last two seasons and looks like he will do it again this year.
And explain what your sad about exactly? What has he brought to the table?
Rosberg must be the second coming? Remind me how many WDC's he's won?And explain what your sad about exactly? What has he brought to the table?
Mirror Piece on the Legend - http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/michael-sc...
Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Friday 5th October 10:47
Wanta996Gotta said:
RegMolehusband said:
Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn says Michael Schumacher is the greatest Formula 1 driver of the 21st century. That's good enough for me. Sad to see him go.
Rosberg must be the second coming then as he has whooped Schumis ass over the last two seasons and looks like he will do it again this year.And explain what your sad about exactly? What has he brought to the table?
I ask because even the most hardened McLaren race fans I know have always begrudging accepted that Schumacher was an amazing driver and one of the best ever, despite the fact he beat the McLaren's so many times. I wonder what it is that causes you to think the way you do. My only assumption is that you're new to F1 and you're following a moronic bandwagon of Schumacher bashing that seems to only exist in the UK because of what happened in Adelaide 1994.
Wanta996Gotta said:
Exactly. And thats my point, if Rosberg can at the very least match him then whats happened to the Legend that could lap the whole field and win races stuck in 1 gear etc,etc
Really? You seem to refuse to take the point that the man is 43 and clearly past his prime. That's really not difficult to take into consideration. MSC is undeniably a legend and one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time.I don't know you but (and this is not meant to cause any offence), but you do seem to have an axe to grind and don't seem to take on board a lot of the quite sensible things people have pointed out. In my opinion this significantly undermines that veracity of the arguments you make.
MSC is not the racing driver he was in this second bite of the cherry, but I just don't see how one can argue with his record. I also don't see how this makes him anything other than a person who took a gamble on a ill-advised comeback when he should have realised he was past his prime. There are loads of sporting legends who've done this, and nearly all of them have failed without having the effect of erasing the good and great things they might have acheived.
Like I said in other post, you really do need to give the devil his due. Even Andrew Benson has.
"It is ironic, then, that there have been marked signs of improvement from Schumacher this season. In 14 races so far, he has actually out-qualified Rosberg eight-six.
And although Rosberg has taken the team's only win - in China earlier this year, when he was demonstrably superior all weekend - arguably Schumacher has been the better Mercedes driver this year.
Schumacher has suffered by far the worst of the team's frankly unacceptable reliability record and would almost certainly have been ahead of Rosberg in the championship had that not been the case. And he might even have won in Monaco had not a five-place grid penalty demoted him from pole position."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2012/10/ne...
Edited by AdvocatusD on Friday 5th October 11:21
oyster said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
RegMolehusband said:
Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn says Michael Schumacher is the greatest Formula 1 driver of the 21st century. That's good enough for me. Sad to see him go.
Rosberg must be the second coming then as he has whooped Schumis ass over the last two seasons and looks like he will do it again this year.And explain what your sad about exactly? What has he brought to the table?
I ask because even the most hardened McLaren race fans I know have always begrudging accepted that Schumacher was an amazing driver and one of the best ever, despite the fact he beat the McLaren's so many times. I wonder what it is that causes you to think the way you do. My only assumption is that you're new to F1 and you're following a moronic bandwagon of Schumacher bashing that seems to only exist in the UK because of what happened in Adelaide 1994.
My point was why would any poster be sad to see him leave as he has brought nothing to the table, they should be relieved that he is gone. His school boy error in practice today just sums up his return perfectly.
Wanta996Gotta said:
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and also parking his car on the racing line in Monaco to ruin Alonso's lap, do you want me to go on???.
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Yes, do go on... about Alonso's own record which is far from whiter than white.and also parking his car on the racing line in Monaco to ruin Alonso's lap, do you want me to go on???.
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If that incident parking his car on the racing line during Monaco Qualifying was a deliberate and calculated ploy designed to spoil Alonso's effort to secure pole then it was a Meister Stroke of Dick Dastardly mega proportions.... credit where it's due and all that ...
Can you not recall any 'iffy' incidents involving whiter than white Alonso?
If you cannot, you really must try harder.
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MGJohn said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
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and also parking his car on the racing line in Monaco to ruin Alonso's lap, do you want me to go on???.
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Yes, do go on... about Alonso's own record which is far from whiter than white.and also parking his car on the racing line in Monaco to ruin Alonso's lap, do you want me to go on???.
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If that incident parking his car on the racing line during Monaco Qualifying was a deliberate and calculated ploy designed to spoil Alonso's effort to secure pole then it was a Meister Stroke of Dick Dastardly mega proportions.... credit where it's due and all that ...
Can you not recall any 'iffy' incidents involving whiter than white Alonso?
If you cannot, you really must try harder.
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Do fill me in on Alonso's similar incidents.
superkartracer said:
Christ, what spaz reads the Mirror???
What is a Spaz Superkart? Would you prefer to read the Jackie Stewart article when he almost says the same thing? "Michael's record in F1, particularly his Ferrari period, was so dominant because the car and engine was unquestionably the best on the grid and there was no doubt about who was number one and got most attention in the team."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19834309
Wanta996Gotta said:
superkartracer said:
Christ, what spaz reads the Mirror???
What is a Spaz Superkart? Would you prefer to read the Jackie Stewart article when he almost says the same thing? "Michael's record in F1, particularly his Ferrari period, was so dominant because the car and engine was unquestionably the best on the grid and there was no doubt about who was number one and got most attention in the team."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19834309
Speed.deman said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
superkartracer said:
Christ, what spaz reads the Mirror???
What is a Spaz Superkart? Would you prefer to read the Jackie Stewart article when he almost says the same thing? "Michael's record in F1, particularly his Ferrari period, was so dominant because the car and engine was unquestionably the best on the grid and there was no doubt about who was number one and got most attention in the team."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19834309
Edit - Advocutes keeps adding text to his replies for some reason. I have now read Bensons post and it agrees with what i am saying.
"His struggles since his return have had an unfortunate effect on Schumacher's legacy. People within F1 - people with the highest regard for his achievements - have begun to question what went before.
There have always been question marks over his first title with Benetton in 1994, given the highly controversial nature of that year. Illegal driver aids were found in the car, but Benetton were not punished because governing body the FIA said they could find no proof they had been used.
But since 2010 people have begun to look back at the dominant Ferrari era of the early 2000s, when Schumacher won five titles in a row, and begun to wonder aloud just how much of an advantage he had.
It was the richest team, they had unlimited testing and bespoke tyres. Did this, people have said, mean Schumacher was not as good as he had looked?"
Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Friday 5th October 11:56
doogz said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
What is a Spaz Superkart? Would you prefer to read the Jackie Stewart article when he almost says the same thing?
"Michael's record in F1, particularly his Ferrari period, was so dominant because the car and engine was unquestionably the best on the grid and there was no doubt about who was number one and got most attention in the team."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19834309
Doesn't he also say, in the same article:"Michael's record in F1, particularly his Ferrari period, was so dominant because the car and engine was unquestionably the best on the grid and there was no doubt about who was number one and got most attention in the team."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19834309
"He's one of the greatest drivers of all time"
He doesn't rate him as the greatest, but rightly or wrongly, JS has always rated those that raced in the 'dangerous days' higher than modern drivers, seemingly regardless of ability.
Life Saab Itch said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
What a shame. Am sure (and hope) he will get a win before the end of the season.
The Greatest Racing Driver Ever.
We salute you!
he was good, but let's not go that far.The Greatest Racing Driver Ever.
We salute you!
Wanta996Gotta said:
What is a Spaz Superkart? Would you prefer to read the Jackie Stewart article when he almost says the same thing?
"Michael's record in F1, particularly his Ferrari period, was so dominant because the car and engine was unquestionably the best on the grid and there was no doubt about who was number one and got most attention in the team."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19834309
You don't get to put yourself in that position unless you merit it. Are you suggesting for that Karthikeyan could have done the same at Ferrari. Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton are all in top cars because they are worthy of them"Michael's record in F1, particularly his Ferrari period, was so dominant because the car and engine was unquestionably the best on the grid and there was no doubt about who was number one and got most attention in the team."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19834309
As for Jackie Stewart - he mentions Senna in a positive way in his article. He only has to check himself out on you tube and watch his lengthy interview with Senna where he repeatedly questions Senna's driving ethics and number of incidents.
No matter how many posts you make it's not working, Schumacher still has 7 WDCs.
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