Schu has retired again

Schu has retired again

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CiderwithCerbie

1,420 posts

267 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Life Saab Itch said:
We already know you are a cave dweller...

MGJohn

10,203 posts

183 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Just heard BBC R5Live Sports Newscast ~ Michael Schumacher crashed out of the Japanese Grand Prix ... apparently ... nothing else and no other drivers mentioned ... perhaps Di Resta is already past it ... and not worth a mention .... smile

RegMolehusband

3,960 posts

257 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn says Michael Schumacher is the greatest Formula 1 driver of the 21st century. That's good enough for me. Sad to see him go.

Wanta996Gotta

5,622 posts

207 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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RegMolehusband said:
Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn says Michael Schumacher is the greatest Formula 1 driver of the 21st century. That's good enough for me. Sad to see him go.
Rosberg must be the second coming then as he has whooped Schumis ass over the last two seasons and looks like he will do it again this year.

And explain what your sad about exactly? What has he brought to the table?

Life Saab Itch

37,068 posts

188 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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CiderwithCerbie said:
We already know you are a cave dweller...
That's not my drum...

BaronVonVaderham

2,317 posts

147 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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What a shame. Am sure (and hope) he will get a win before the end of the season.

The Greatest Racing Driver Ever.

We salute you! bow


Wanta996Gotta

5,622 posts

207 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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doogz said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Rosberg must be the second coming then as he has whooped Schumis ass over the last two seasons and looks like he will do it again this year.

And explain what your sad about exactly? What has he brought to the table?
Rosberg must be the second coming? Remind me how many WDC's he's won?
Exactly. And thats my point, if Rosberg can at the very least match him then whats happened to the Legend that could lap the whole field and win races stuck in 1 gear etc,etc

Mirror Piece on the Legend - http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/michael-sc...


Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Friday 5th October 10:47

oyster

12,598 posts

248 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Wanta996Gotta said:
RegMolehusband said:
Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn says Michael Schumacher is the greatest Formula 1 driver of the 21st century. That's good enough for me. Sad to see him go.
Rosberg must be the second coming then as he has whooped Schumis ass over the last two seasons and looks like he will do it again this year.

And explain what your sad about exactly? What has he brought to the table?
Serious question Wanta.... when did you become a big fan of F1?

I ask because even the most hardened McLaren race fans I know have always begrudging accepted that Schumacher was an amazing driver and one of the best ever, despite the fact he beat the McLaren's so many times. I wonder what it is that causes you to think the way you do. My only assumption is that you're new to F1 and you're following a moronic bandwagon of Schumacher bashing that seems to only exist in the UK because of what happened in Adelaide 1994.

AdvocatusD

2,277 posts

231 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Wanta996Gotta said:
Exactly. And thats my point, if Rosberg can at the very least match him then whats happened to the Legend that could lap the whole field and win races stuck in 1 gear etc,etc
Really? You seem to refuse to take the point that the man is 43 and clearly past his prime. That's really not difficult to take into consideration. MSC is undeniably a legend and one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time.

I don't know you but (and this is not meant to cause any offence), but you do seem to have an axe to grind and don't seem to take on board a lot of the quite sensible things people have pointed out. In my opinion this significantly undermines that veracity of the arguments you make.

MSC is not the racing driver he was in this second bite of the cherry, but I just don't see how one can argue with his record. I also don't see how this makes him anything other than a person who took a gamble on a ill-advised comeback when he should have realised he was past his prime. There are loads of sporting legends who've done this, and nearly all of them have failed without having the effect of erasing the good and great things they might have acheived.

Like I said in other post, you really do need to give the devil his due. Even Andrew Benson has.smile

"It is ironic, then, that there have been marked signs of improvement from Schumacher this season. In 14 races so far, he has actually out-qualified Rosberg eight-six.

And although Rosberg has taken the team's only win - in China earlier this year, when he was demonstrably superior all weekend - arguably Schumacher has been the better Mercedes driver this year.

Schumacher has suffered by far the worst of the team's frankly unacceptable reliability record and would almost certainly have been ahead of Rosberg in the championship had that not been the case. And he might even have won in Monaco had not a five-place grid penalty demoted him from pole position."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2012/10/ne...



Edited by AdvocatusD on Friday 5th October 11:21

Wanta996Gotta

5,622 posts

207 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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oyster said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
RegMolehusband said:
Mercedes team principal Ross Brawn says Michael Schumacher is the greatest Formula 1 driver of the 21st century. That's good enough for me. Sad to see him go.
Rosberg must be the second coming then as he has whooped Schumis ass over the last two seasons and looks like he will do it again this year.

And explain what your sad about exactly? What has he brought to the table?
Serious question Wanta.... when did you become a big fan of F1?

I ask because even the most hardened McLaren race fans I know have always begrudging accepted that Schumacher was an amazing driver and one of the best ever, despite the fact he beat the McLaren's so many times. I wonder what it is that causes you to think the way you do. My only assumption is that you're new to F1 and you're following a moronic bandwagon of Schumacher bashing that seems to only exist in the UK because of what happened in Adelaide 1994.
Yes, i do remember the incident with Damon and the almost identical incident a few years later in Jerez(Only driver to ever be banned) and also parking his car on the racing line in Monaco to ruin Alonso's lap,do you want me to go on???. He is a nasty piece of work and its the Maronic Schumi bandwagon love in that makes me laugh.

My point was why would any poster be sad to see him leave as he has brought nothing to the table, they should be relieved that he is gone. His school boy error in practice today just sums up his return perfectly.

Life Saab Itch

37,068 posts

188 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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BaronVonVaderham said:
What a shame. Am sure (and hope) he will get a win before the end of the season.

The Greatest Racing Driver Ever.

We salute you! bow
he was good, but let's not go that far.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

183 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Wanta996Gotta said:
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and also parking his car on the racing line in Monaco to ruin Alonso's lap, do you want me to go on???.
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Yes, do go on... about Alonso's own record which is far from whiter than white.

If that incident parking his car on the racing line during Monaco Qualifying was a deliberate and calculated ploy designed to spoil Alonso's effort to secure pole then it was a Meister Stroke of Dick Dastardly mega proportions.... credit where it's due and all that ... smile

Can you not recall any 'iffy' incidents involving whiter than white Alonso?

If you cannot, you really must try harder.
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Wanta996Gotta

5,622 posts

207 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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MGJohn said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
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and also parking his car on the racing line in Monaco to ruin Alonso's lap, do you want me to go on???.
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Yes, do go on... about Alonso's own record which is far from whiter than white.

If that incident parking his car on the racing line during Monaco Qualifying was a deliberate and calculated ploy designed to spoil Alonso's effort to secure pole then it was a Meister Stroke of Dick Dastardly mega proportions.... credit where it's due and all that ... smile

Can you not recall any 'iffy' incidents involving whiter than white Alonso?

If you cannot, you really must try harder.
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I cant think of any similar incidents from Alonso on the race track. Deliberatly parking on a racing line or barging two competitors off the race track and being the only driver to be banned??

Do fill me in on Alonso's similar incidents.

superkartracer

8,959 posts

222 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Christ, what spaz reads the Mirror???

Wanta996Gotta

5,622 posts

207 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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superkartracer said:
Christ, what spaz reads the Mirror???
What is a Spaz Superkart? Would you prefer to read the Jackie Stewart article when he almost says the same thing?

"Michael's record in F1, particularly his Ferrari period, was so dominant because the car and engine was unquestionably the best on the grid and there was no doubt about who was number one and got most attention in the team."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19834309

Speed.deman

214 posts

193 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Wanta996Gotta said:
superkartracer said:
Christ, what spaz reads the Mirror???
What is a Spaz Superkart? Would you prefer to read the Jackie Stewart article when he almost says the same thing?

"Michael's record in F1, particularly his Ferrari period, was so dominant because the car and engine was unquestionably the best on the grid and there was no doubt about who was number one and got most attention in the team."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19834309
Amusing stuff this. You've clearly not read the article Benson has just written (which for Benson is actually fairly balanced) which has been posted in a response to you on the last page, also the poster made some good points in response to yours which you seem to have ignored. Bit of a witch hunt this by you! Quoting the Mirror as gospel is priceless by the way... Their use of CAPITAL letters to make a POINT is what puts them up there with The Economist.

Wanta996Gotta

5,622 posts

207 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Speed.deman said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
superkartracer said:
Christ, what spaz reads the Mirror???
What is a Spaz Superkart? Would you prefer to read the Jackie Stewart article when he almost says the same thing?

"Michael's record in F1, particularly his Ferrari period, was so dominant because the car and engine was unquestionably the best on the grid and there was no doubt about who was number one and got most attention in the team."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19834309
Amusing stuff this. You've clearly not read the article Benson has just written (which for Benson is actually fairly balanced) which has been posted in a response to you on the last page, also the poster made some good points in response to yours which you seem to have ignored. Bit of a witch hunt this by you! Quoting the Mirror as gospel is priceless by the way... Their use of CAPITAL letters to make a POINT is what puts them up there with The Economist.
You have lost me, i have no idea what your talking about. Thats from Jackie Stewart on BBC. I have not heard or read ONE good point thats been made about Schumi's return.

Edit - Advocutes keeps adding text to his replies for some reason. I have now read Bensons post and it agrees with what i am saying.

"His struggles since his return have had an unfortunate effect on Schumacher's legacy. People within F1 - people with the highest regard for his achievements - have begun to question what went before.

There have always been question marks over his first title with Benetton in 1994, given the highly controversial nature of that year. Illegal driver aids were found in the car, but Benetton were not punished because governing body the FIA said they could find no proof they had been used.

But since 2010 people have begun to look back at the dominant Ferrari era of the early 2000s, when Schumacher won five titles in a row, and begun to wonder aloud just how much of an advantage he had.

It was the richest team, they had unlimited testing and bespoke tyres. Did this, people have said, mean Schumacher was not as good as he had looked?"

Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Friday 5th October 11:56

Wanta996Gotta

5,622 posts

207 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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doogz said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
What is a Spaz Superkart? Would you prefer to read the Jackie Stewart article when he almost says the same thing?

"Michael's record in F1, particularly his Ferrari period, was so dominant because the car and engine was unquestionably the best on the grid and there was no doubt about who was number one and got most attention in the team."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19834309
Doesn't he also say, in the same article:

"He's one of the greatest drivers of all time"

He doesn't rate him as the greatest, but rightly or wrongly, JS has always rated those that raced in the 'dangerous days' higher than modern drivers, seemingly regardless of ability.
Yes but he also agrees with my point that his car was so superior to the others. Ask yourself why his dominance came to end in 2005. Check what regulation stopped him from lapping the whole field and winning races in 1 gear,etc,etc.

BaronVonVaderham

2,317 posts

147 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Life Saab Itch said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
What a shame. Am sure (and hope) he will get a win before the end of the season.

The Greatest Racing Driver Ever.

We salute you! bow
he was good, but let's not go that far.
The man changed the sport forever, won more than anyone else ever, inspired several generations of F1 fans and is quite clearly a living legend. I stand by my statement and would like to add a standing ovation and start a petiton to have his greatness permenently remebered by several large statues, an International holiday day in his honour and a rearrangement of the stars at night into a constellation that commemerates his glorious 7 world drivers championship titles.

tongue out

SRT77

677 posts

218 months

Friday 5th October 2012
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Wanta996Gotta said:
What is a Spaz Superkart? Would you prefer to read the Jackie Stewart article when he almost says the same thing?

"Michael's record in F1, particularly his Ferrari period, was so dominant because the car and engine was unquestionably the best on the grid and there was no doubt about who was number one and got most attention in the team."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19834309
You don't get to put yourself in that position unless you merit it. Are you suggesting for that Karthikeyan could have done the same at Ferrari. Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton are all in top cars because they are worthy of them
As for Jackie Stewart - he mentions Senna in a positive way in his article. He only has to check himself out on you tube and watch his lengthy interview with Senna where he repeatedly questions Senna's driving ethics and number of incidents.
No matter how many posts you make it's not working, Schumacher still has 7 WDCs.