Grosjean

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eps

6,272 posts

268 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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I see that JYS has offered to give him some help...

FWIW most of these incidents aren't usually a one off mistake, i.e. Grosjean's fault per se, but he does seem to be right in the position at the end of the tail of these incidents and therefore looks like the one who's at fault.

I think I'm with most in thinking that the incident with Webber was a little odd, from the PoV that Webber seemed to slow or stall slightly mid-corner and I don't really think that Grosjean had anywhere to go...

It will be interesting to see what happens in the race this weekend.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

227 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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I'm another who feels sorry for Romain, after trying so hard to avoid the Sauber he got the rarely seen periferal tunnel vision and drove into Webber. He can be a pretty good racer, hope he can relax a bit at the start and keep his nose clean.

scubadude

2,618 posts

196 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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I'm not sure he is as bad as the journo's are making out, until Spa he was just your normal slightly crazy F1 driver, not much different record of smashes to several others on the grid we've already mentioned.

Spa was a pretty poor chop and the ban deserved IMO- the issue is that coming off the back of that he went and did something almost as bad straight away! (perhaps he should have asked to start from the pit mor something)

If he'd had a perfect start at Suzuka the previous troubles would started to have dissappear, he's just pulled them up for everyones attention by shunting Grumpy off.

Its clear he is quick but I don't see how Lotus can afford the CF and points he's breaking/loosing each race, arguably he should have been finishing in the top 6-7 at least in most races, the car is quick (proven by Kimi) I'm tempted to say they'd score more with a one handed Pole driving :-)

Dr Z

3,396 posts

170 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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I'm also not so sure he's as bad as being made out. He's been out of F1 but surely he's been racing in other formulae. What is his record there?

scrwright

2,602 posts

189 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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Is there a video from Perez's Sauber? It seemed to close up sharply on Webber too

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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Gaz. said:
el stovey said:
Grosjean seems to have gone from hero to villain rather rapidly this season. I think F1 would be a lesser sport without some of these less predictable drivers in the grid. As long as your favourite driver is in front of them, It makes the starts much more interesting.
I wouldn't say a villain, villains have malice and predetermined actions, Grosjean is just clumsy and doesn't think. He has the potential to be multiple WDC if he can sort out his spacial awareness.
Really? How many "multiple world champions have ever been clumsy, thoughtless and lacked spacial awareness then?


Redlake27

2,255 posts

243 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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REALIST123 said:
Gaz. said:
el stovey said:
Grosjean seems to have gone from hero to villain rather rapidly this season. I think F1 would be a lesser sport without some of these less predictable drivers in the grid. As long as your favourite driver is in front of them, It makes the starts much more interesting.
I wouldn't say a villain, villains have malice and predetermined actions, Grosjean is just clumsy and doesn't think. He has the potential to be multiple WDC if he can sort out his spacial awareness.
Really? How many "multiple world champions have ever been clumsy, thoughtless and lacked spacial awareness then?
Hakkinen was banned in 1994 after a couple of Grosjean style blunders. This was in his fourth year of F1.

Alonso had a bit of a crash habit in 03/04. Tunnel at Monaco, Brake testing DC at the 'ring, not slowing down for yellows in Brazil and causing a monumental shunt.

Vettel hit Webber under a safety car in Japan in 07

They all learnt, and became three of the greats.

krissstephen

170 posts

167 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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Look at his out and out raw pace! Any team should see that get him to settle down and he's a winner for sure.

I don't think ALL the crashes were all his fault and Webber seemed really slow compared to the other cars, I think alot of the drivers may be a tad envious of his skill and speed for what is a rookie of sorts. F1 needs new drivers, who want to win, they don't need anymore just happy to race drivers, like Barrichello when he was there, Trulli, with all this tyre nonsense it's great seeing a driver try his hardest to win.

Romain doesn't seem to have any malice on intent, he just needs to learn like Alonso has, you don't need to win every race to be on the cusp of a championship.

And as for Johnny Herbert "sack him, sack him, now" he's an idiot.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 10th October 2012
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Redlake27 said:
REALIST123 said:
Gaz. said:
el stovey said:
Grosjean seems to have gone from hero to villain rather rapidly this season. I think F1 would be a lesser sport without some of these less predictable drivers in the grid. As long as your favourite driver is in front of them, It makes the starts much more interesting.
I wouldn't say a villain, villains have malice and predetermined actions, Grosjean is just clumsy and doesn't think. He has the potential to be multiple WDC if he can sort out his spacial awareness.
Really? How many "multiple world champions have ever been clumsy, thoughtless and lacked spacial awareness then?
Hakkinen was banned in 1994 after a couple of Grosjean style blunders. This was in his fourth year of F1.

Alonso had a bit of a crash habit in 03/04. Tunnel at Monaco, Brake testing DC at the 'ring, not slowing down for yellows in Brazil and causing a monumental shunt.

Vettel hit Webber under a safety car in Japan in 07

They all learnt, and became three of the greats.
You really believe those three are clumsy, thoughtless and lack special awareness then?

We're not talking about one off errors. Gaz stated that he thinks RG is clumsy, etc. not that he has been, on occasion or whatever. He is......

Personally, I just think he's slightly out of his depth. I would bet money that he won't win 1 WDC let alone multiple ones.

Time will tell.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

216 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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Had Grosjean been playing dodgems with the HRTs and Lotii at the back of the grid, we wouldn't even be discussing this. It's only because Hamilton, Alonso and Webber have been involved that Grosjean's a focus of attention.

A certain 7 times World Champion is a far bigger liability on the track, in my opinion.

Grosjean needs to sort out his starts, but comments by those in glass houses such as Webber should not be used to unduly paint Grosjean as some kind of lunatic.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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10 Pence Short said:
Grosjean needs to sort out his starts, but comments by those in glass houses such as Webber should not be used to unduly paint Grosjean as some kind of lunatic.
What do you mean? Webber has never run into the back of another car...


Nick1point9

3,917 posts

179 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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10 Pence Short said:
Had Grosjean been playing dodgems with the HRTs and Lotii Caterhams at the back of the grid, we wouldn't even be discussing this. It's only because Hamilton, Alonso and Webber have been involved that Grosjean's a focus of attention.

A certain 7 times World Champion is a far bigger liability on the track, in my opinion.

Grosjean needs to sort out his starts, but comments by those in glass houses such as Webber should not be used to unduly paint Grosjean as some kind of lunatic.
He's in a Lotus...

Redlake27

2,255 posts

243 months

Thursday 11th October 2012
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REALIST123 said:
You really believe those three are clumsy, thoughtless and lack special awareness then?
Absolutely not. Alonso, Vettel and Hakkinen went on to win many times. But in their early days, they did do some clumsy, thoughtless and spacially 'unaware' things. Give Grosjean time and another tough penalty, and he'll come good

This piece from Motor Sport sums him up more eloquently than I can...

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/opinion/most-...

Edited by Redlake27 on Thursday 11th October 16:29