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IainT

9,062 posts

121 months

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Speedy11 said:
IainT said:
Plus the setup change last weekend that meant Hamilton was slow in qualy and the race was his own decision - one assuems with some input from his mechs.
Except he was slow because of a suspension failure not because of his setup choice.
He and the team talked about setup changes for qualy being the reason, I've not seen or heard anything about suspension failure in Japan, can you pop up a link about it please? Odd that they didn't fix it between qualy and race is it would be allowed under park ferme regs.

Mini1275

10,323 posts

65 months

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IainT said:
Speedy11 said:
IainT said:
Plus the setup change last weekend that meant Hamilton was slow in qualy and the race was his own decision - one assuems with some input from his mechs.
Except he was slow because of a suspension failure not because of his setup choice.
He and the team talked about setup changes for qualy being the reason, I've not seen or heard anything about suspension failure in Japan, can you pop up a link about it please? Odd that they didn't fix it between qualy and race is it would be allowed under park ferme regs.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/hamilton-had-suspension-issue-japan-072204971.html

Article said:
McLaren has discovered that Lewis Hamilton's handling issues over the Japanese Grand Prix weekend were caused by a rear suspension problem.
The 2008 world champion was plagued by understeer in qualifying and the race at Suzuka, where he came home a distant fifth having started down in ninth.
Hamilton was baffled by the issue at the time, which he felt cured itself during the race on Sunday.
But speaking to reporters in the paddock ahead of this weekend's Korean Grand Prix, he said McLaren now knows what was wrong with his car.
When asked by AUTOSPORT if his setup choice had led to the car's poor handling, Hamilton said: "It didn't actually.
"I know my car very well, so it's very rare that I get it wrong. And if I do it's only a little bit and I can still manage it.
"But this was the worst it has ever been set up, and I was really shocked that I had done that.
"I hoped it wasn't my fault, but fortunately the guys did a lot of analysis after the race and found our that we had a failure on part of the rear suspension, so that's comforting."
When quizzed on the exact nature of the problem, Hamilton added: "It's not a suspension failure, because I could still drive with it.
"There was just a part that helps the balance and when you set it up it should react in one way but it didn't do that.
"I'm happy that we found something, so it won't be a problem for this weekend."
The Briton added that Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel were right not to rule him out of championship contention following a weekend that left him 42 points adrift in the title race.
"I don't think it's them being polite," he said. "We have a competitive car so we are still in the fight.
"We were quicker than them at Singapore and Monza, so we are still one of the dominant forces in the championship.
"We should have had 35 points from the last two races, but there's still 125 points to go and we've got to keep pushing. You just have to give it your all and wait for the outcome."

Wanta996Gotta

5,606 posts

90 months

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IainT said:
Speedy11 said:
IainT said:
Plus the setup change last weekend that meant Hamilton was slow in qualy and the race was his own decision - one assuems with some input from his mechs.
Except he was slow because of a suspension failure not because of his setup choice.
He and the team talked about setup changes for qualy being the reason, I've not seen or heard anything about suspension failure in Japan, can you pop up a link about it please? Odd that they didn't fix it between qualy and race is it would be allowed under park ferme regs.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103277

Speedy11

371 posts

91 months

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IainT said:
Speedy11 said:
IainT said:
Plus the setup change last weekend that meant Hamilton was slow in qualy and the race was his own decision - one assuems with some input from his mechs.
Except he was slow because of a suspension failure not because of his setup choice.
He and the team talked about setup changes for qualy being the reason, I've not seen or heard anything about suspension failure in Japan, can you pop up a link about it please? Odd that they didn't fix it between qualy and race is it would be allowed under park ferme regs.
Sorry its Autosport sub but here http://plus.autosport.com/premium/feature/4870/it-... says "It's been confirmed that his Suzuka problem was a failure within a rear damper."


IainT

9,062 posts

121 months

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Thanks guys, just found it. Odd that it's not (seemingly) mentioned on BBC... Autosport ftw!
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minghis

1,331 posts

134 months

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ajprice said:
Schumacher has a reprimand for impeding Karthikeyan and DLR. Making a HRT go slower is going some, but both!!?!? rofl
Ha, at one stage I saw Schumacher gesticulating to De La Rosa as he was alongside, then seemingly slow down purposely to then slow him down, I guess this is what it's for.

It's free practise, why get all stressy about it, it's part of the deal on Fridays, surely? 'Kin 'ell Schumi, you're a bit too old for all this sillyness surely?

stephen300o

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111 months

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Wanta996Gotta said:
skinny said:
FloppyRaccoon said:
So Rosberg has said he'll do the Gangnam style dance (Very popular right now, from Korean artist Psy) if he wins the race. I do hope he wins.
as long as vettel doesn't try to sing it over the radio when he wins...
Sky F1 team Gangnam Style - http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/20699/816...
Lol, daft tarts.

smartypants

21,555 posts

52 months

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Their what?

Dr Z

978 posts

54 months

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Wanta996Gotta said:
roflroflrofl

Crying with laughter here!!!

playalistic

1,569 posts

47 months

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mattikake said:
Not trying to create an overly simplistic conspiracy but...

- Lewis announces he will leave McLaren.
- Lewis starts weekend quick, as he always is extracting the max out of the initial car setup.
- Lewis is about 0.4s quicker than JB, as usual.
- Over the course of the weekend they make "setup" changes to Lewis' car.
- Lewis progressively gets slower, ending up around 0.8s slower than JB. (currently 0.5s so far this weekend)

Hmmmm.

I mean, is this really that obvious?
tin foil hat time


mattikake

4,449 posts

82 months

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MGJohn said:
ewenm said:
"They" includes Hamilton, unless you think he is so weak-willed that he has no control over what changes are made to his car. As McLaren are still in with a chance of the constructors title, I can't see why they'd "sabotage" one of their cars just because the driver is leaving - that's what drivers tend to do, move around teams.
Nailed it right there.

There are some so blind they will never see things as they actually are.
And there's some so utterly blind they don't even realise that that door swings both ways. wink

Lewis: "It was such a big difference from P1 to P2 and the car wasn't really that different. Just a small change on the rear ride-height which is nothing [for him],".

So it's something else. Maybe poor little Lewis has simply forgotten how to drive?

0.5s difference is daft and it's forming the exact same pattern as in Japan.

Lewis leaves team. Suddenly slower than JB. Occam's Razor.

ewenm

26,901 posts

128 months

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mattikake said:
And there's some so utterly blind they don't even realise that that door swings both ways. wink

Lewis: "It was such a big difference from P1 to P2 and the car wasn't really that different. Just a small change on the rear ride-height which is nothing [for him],".

So it's something else. Maybe poor little Lewis has simply forgotten how to drive?

0.5s difference is daft and it's forming the exact same pattern as in Japan.

Lewis leaves team. Suddenly slower than JB. Occam's Razor.
You think the simplest explanation would be sabotage by McLaren rather than LH giving slightly less than 100% now that his focus may be elsewhere? I don't think either are true, but sabotage is certainly not the simple answer.

mattikake

4,449 posts

82 months

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I wouldn't say sabotage, more like favouritism. Every team does it and McLaren have clearly done it many times before - Lauda over Watson, Senna over Prost, Hakkinen over Coulthard etc.

I'm just being the cat amongst the pigeons, but Occam's Razor still holds. wink

ewenm

26,901 posts

128 months

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While still being in contention for the WCC? Shooting oneself in the foot/cutting off nose to spite the face seem more appropriate cultural references than Occam's shaving equipment wink

tux

1,939 posts

91 months

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Could this be the start of the end for Force India, doesn't sound good. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103355

Wanta996Gotta

5,606 posts

90 months

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tux said:
Could this be the start of the end for Force India, doesn't sound good. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103355
I think Vijays Millions come from United Breweries(Beer & Whisky) so i wouldnt look into it that much. This Airline was a disaster from day one.

Life Saab Itch

37,053 posts

71 months

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Dodgy Vijay strikes again.

Did that motorhome company ever get their money?

Composite Guru

515 posts

86 months

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tux said:
Could this be the start of the end for Force India, doesn't sound good. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103355
Maybe this is why Honda is concidering F1 again??

woof

7,997 posts

160 months

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Wanta996Gotta said:
mmh Natalie Pinkham smile



mattikake

4,449 posts

82 months

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ewenm said:
While still being in contention for the WCC? Shooting oneself in the foot/cutting off nose to spite the face seem more appropriate cultural references than Occam's shaving equipment wink
I missed Hamilton over Alonso, once Alonso had thrown in tantrums and decided to leave.

So in hindsight McLaren have cost themselves at least 1 WDC by screwing Alonso over. Would've been 2 in 1989 favouring Senna over Prost except for the fact they were cruising that year, comparatively. They would've left Watson out of contention in 1982 if he hadn't ignored team preferences and gone on to out-race Lauda in at least 2 races as well...

It happens.

Mysterious HUGE lack of pace for someone who never lacks pace, 2 races on the trot? Just makes me go "hmmmm..."
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