The Official Korean GP thread (WITH SPOILERS)
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Been trawling the on-line Bookies lists. Vettel, despite being behind in the points, is long ODDS-ON to become a triple WDC this season. Surely with so many races still to go, and just as surely Alonso's bad luck cannot continue and Vettel maybe due for a change, those odds are not good value. Here's one list I just checked :~
4/7 Sebastian Vettel
7/4 Fernando Alonso
20/1 Lewis Hamilton
50/1 Kimi Raikkonen
100/1 Jenson Button
100/1 Mark Webber
Win only available up until the wheels turn for P1.
Two races ago, it was Alonso who was odds on. In my books, that could be reversed again. Just needs a slip up or bad luck. What do others think?
By the way, for Sunday's race, Vettel is 13-8 which could be good value if we rely on the result in Suzaka. However, in case anyone needs reminding, IF is a BIG word. I do not believe the Suzuka Mclaren form was genuine and expect the prior three races to be the more reliable guide irrespective of the new rear gizmos.
Who really knows? That's what i like about F1 in recent years. anything can happen, even a Mercedes win ... 'appens. Well once in about the past fifty years ...
Final thought. Alonso now @ 7-4 to be WDC this season. Surely his nil-points bad luck cannot continue.... or, will it...
4/7 Sebastian Vettel
7/4 Fernando Alonso
20/1 Lewis Hamilton
50/1 Kimi Raikkonen
100/1 Jenson Button
100/1 Mark Webber
Win only available up until the wheels turn for P1.
Two races ago, it was Alonso who was odds on. In my books, that could be reversed again. Just needs a slip up or bad luck. What do others think?
By the way, for Sunday's race, Vettel is 13-8 which could be good value if we rely on the result in Suzaka. However, in case anyone needs reminding, IF is a BIG word. I do not believe the Suzuka Mclaren form was genuine and expect the prior three races to be the more reliable guide irrespective of the new rear gizmos.
Who really knows? That's what i like about F1 in recent years. anything can happen, even a Mercedes win ... 'appens. Well once in about the past fifty years ...
Final thought. Alonso now @ 7-4 to be WDC this season. Surely his nil-points bad luck cannot continue.... or, will it...
decadence said:
I may have a punt on Kimi for race win on Sunday, just for fun not big bet. What are the odds for him to win in Korea?
Quickly grabbed these on-line odds. Before practice an qualifying, most bookies odds will be much the same for the race :~13/8 Sebastian Vettel
7/2 Lewis Hamilton
7/1 Fernando Alonso
7/1 Jenson Button
9/1 Mark Webber
14/1 Kimi Raikkonen
33/1 Romain Grosjean
33/1 Sergio Perez
40/1 Felipe Massa
40/1 Kamui Kobayashi
80/1 Michael Schumacher
80/1 Nico Rosberg
100/1 Pastor Maldonado
150/1 Nico Hulkenberg
150/1 Paul Di Resta
250/1 Bruno Senna
750/1 Daniel Ricciardo
750/1 Jean-Eric Vergne
2500/1 and more others.
1/5 Odds Place 1,2,3
Bit skinny those odds on Raikkonen now. Could be more generous come race day depending on how they all qualify.
I expect better qualifying from McLaren than in Japan.
MGJohn said:
decadence said:
I may have a punt on Kimi for race win on Sunday, just for fun not big bet. What are the odds for him to win in Korea?
Quickly grabbed these on-line odds. Before practice an qualifying, most bookies odds will be much the same for the race :~13/8 Sebastian Vettel
7/2 Lewis Hamilton
7/1 Fernando Alonso
7/1 Jenson Button
9/1 Mark Webber
14/1 Kimi Raikkonen
33/1 Romain Grosjean
33/1 Sergio Perez
40/1 Felipe Massa
40/1 Kamui Kobayashi
80/1 Michael Schumacher
80/1 Nico Rosberg
100/1 Pastor Maldonado
150/1 Nico Hulkenberg
150/1 Paul Di Resta
250/1 Bruno Senna
750/1 Daniel Ricciardo
750/1 Jean-Eric Vergne
2500/1 and more others.
1/5 Odds Place 1,2,3
Bit skinny those odds on Raikkonen now. Could be more generous come race day depending on how they all qualify.
I expect better qualifying from McLaren than in Japan.
Actually, there's more to the aspects of F1 racing and links with bookmakers than the average enthusiast might appreciate. Over many years, I have through friends and by direct contact, learned that many of the F1 teams, or certain staff members, like to have a bet or two.
If you or anyone worked for example, say with Red Bull, and you were involved with the aerodynamics and knew the latest wing updates gave 0.7 sec improvement from the previous data, you'd be tempted to have a few quid on your man.
On one occasion many moons ago, i was told by someone I trust 100% that one well known team had a massive bet(s) on their man for the WDC ~ so large that when it won, it was a great help to the team's finances next season.
If several bookies get a shedload of bets on one aspect, then that will show up in the adjusted odds and give a clue that something is up.
I personally know of one TV commentator who had a massive ante-post bet ( a bet placed well before the event taking advantage of huge ante-post odds ) which when the bet won, you would not guess or get any clues from that commentator's voice during the race. What I did know that the returns on that bet were the same as what I would have had to pay for my four bedroomed detached house at the time. Now that's cool!
So, some may wish to not see it mentioned on these threads but, like it or not, betting is integral to most sports and I know from the pms I get here on PH and other sites I use, most folks like to hear about this 'dark art' side of racing... It's added interest for many even if not all F1 enthusiasts.
So, unless those that manage this site decree and instruct me otherwise, I will continue to show various odds when I see something of interest. Such as Alonso going from Hot Favourite for the WDC being replaced by Vettel..
..
Do not forget... nothing is ever that certain. Phillipe Massa was WDC for a few brief seconds until Hamilton got very lucky by one point. Back in 2010, either Alonso or Webber looked set for the title with two races to go. When Hamilton was 7-1 ON! and looked certain for a WDC Raikkonen snatched victory, ably assisted by Massa if I remember and one of the 'certainties' in racing got beat.
Yes, worth repeating, it's never over until the last Anthem is played over the final race podium of the season.
There again, that young rascal Vettel may win all the remaining races with much finger erecting ..
If you or anyone worked for example, say with Red Bull, and you were involved with the aerodynamics and knew the latest wing updates gave 0.7 sec improvement from the previous data, you'd be tempted to have a few quid on your man.
On one occasion many moons ago, i was told by someone I trust 100% that one well known team had a massive bet(s) on their man for the WDC ~ so large that when it won, it was a great help to the team's finances next season.
If several bookies get a shedload of bets on one aspect, then that will show up in the adjusted odds and give a clue that something is up.
I personally know of one TV commentator who had a massive ante-post bet ( a bet placed well before the event taking advantage of huge ante-post odds ) which when the bet won, you would not guess or get any clues from that commentator's voice during the race. What I did know that the returns on that bet were the same as what I would have had to pay for my four bedroomed detached house at the time. Now that's cool!
So, some may wish to not see it mentioned on these threads but, like it or not, betting is integral to most sports and I know from the pms I get here on PH and other sites I use, most folks like to hear about this 'dark art' side of racing... It's added interest for many even if not all F1 enthusiasts.
So, unless those that manage this site decree and instruct me otherwise, I will continue to show various odds when I see something of interest. Such as Alonso going from Hot Favourite for the WDC being replaced by Vettel..
..
Do not forget... nothing is ever that certain. Phillipe Massa was WDC for a few brief seconds until Hamilton got very lucky by one point. Back in 2010, either Alonso or Webber looked set for the title with two races to go. When Hamilton was 7-1 ON! and looked certain for a WDC Raikkonen snatched victory, ably assisted by Massa if I remember and one of the 'certainties' in racing got beat.
Yes, worth repeating, it's never over until the last Anthem is played over the final race podium of the season.
There again, that young rascal Vettel may win all the remaining races with much finger erecting ..
Edited by MGJohn on Thursday 11th October 23:07
Now hear this. BBC TV Coverage details.
I wont be getting much sleep these early hours .. That means I shall have to get up at the crack of noon too ... now retired. 
TELEVISION COVERAGE BBC FREEVIEW Channel 301 / Red button.
Korean Grand Prix
Friday 12 October
Practice 1: 0155-0330, Red Button
Practice 2: 0555-0730, Red Button
Saturday 13 October
Practice 3: 0255-0400, Red Button
Qualifying: 0500-0730, BBC One
Replay: 1300-1430, BBC One
Sunday 14 October
Race: 0600-0915, BBC One
Replay: 1400-1600, BBC One
Highlights: 1900-2000, BBC Three
I wont be getting much sleep these early hours ..
That means I shall have to get up at the crack of noon too ... now retired. TELEVISION COVERAGE BBC FREEVIEW Channel 301 / Red button.
Korean Grand Prix
Friday 12 October
Practice 1: 0155-0330, Red Button
Practice 2: 0555-0730, Red Button
Saturday 13 October
Practice 3: 0255-0400, Red Button
Qualifying: 0500-0730, BBC One
Replay: 1300-1430, BBC One
Sunday 14 October
Race: 0600-0915, BBC One
Replay: 1400-1600, BBC One
Highlights: 1900-2000, BBC Three
P1 - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103309
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m39.148s 23
2. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m39.450s + 0.302s 21
3. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m39.575s + 0.427s 21
4. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m39.854s + 0.706s 23
5. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m40.088s + 0.940s 21
6. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m40.221s + 1.073s 21
7. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m40.396s + 1.248s 24
8. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m40.422s + 1.274s 22
9. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m40.440s + 1.292s 19
10. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m40.480s + 1.332s 21
11. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m40.929s + 1.781s 14
12. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m41.048s + 1.900s 25
13. Jules Bianchi Force India-Mercedes 1m41.140s + 1.992s 21
14. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m41.220s + 2.072s 19
15. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m41.514s + 2.366s 20
16. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m41.596s + 2.448s 23
17. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m42.021s + 2.873s 25
18. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m42.027s + 2.879s 23
19. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m42.104s + 2.956s 24
20. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m42.175s + 3.027s 13
21. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m42.706s + 3.558s 22
22. Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1m42.820s + 3.672s 19
23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m44.517s + 5.369s 23
24. Dani Clos HRT-Cosworth 1m45.735s + 6.587s 22
P2 - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103318
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m38.832s 33
2. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m38.864s + 0.032s 33
3. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m39.160s + 0.328s 28
4. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m39.219s + 0.387s 29
5. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m39.330s + 0.498s 31
6. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m39.422s + 0.590s 30
7. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m39.584s + 0.752s 36
8. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m39.717s + 0.885s 25
9. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m39.739s + 0.907s 33
10. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m39.839s + 1.007s 26
11. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m39.957s + 1.125s 28
12. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m40.089s + 1.257s 32
13. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m40.112s + 1.280s 34
14. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m40.445s + 1.613s 28
15. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m40.745s + 1.913s 11
16. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m40.789s + 1.957s 31
17. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m40.997s + 2.165s 32
18. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m41.200s + 2.368s 33
19. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m41.602s + 2.770s 23
20. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m42.596s + 3.764s 28
21. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m43.067s + 4.235s 21
23. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m43.636s + 4.804s 22
22. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m43.869s + 5.037s 36
24. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m44.533s + 5.701s 24
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m39.148s 23
2. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m39.450s + 0.302s 21
3. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m39.575s + 0.427s 21
4. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m39.854s + 0.706s 23
5. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m40.088s + 0.940s 21
6. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m40.221s + 1.073s 21
7. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m40.396s + 1.248s 24
8. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m40.422s + 1.274s 22
9. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m40.440s + 1.292s 19
10. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m40.480s + 1.332s 21
11. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m40.929s + 1.781s 14
12. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m41.048s + 1.900s 25
13. Jules Bianchi Force India-Mercedes 1m41.140s + 1.992s 21
14. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m41.220s + 2.072s 19
15. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m41.514s + 2.366s 20
16. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m41.596s + 2.448s 23
17. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m42.021s + 2.873s 25
18. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m42.027s + 2.879s 23
19. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m42.104s + 2.956s 24
20. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m42.175s + 3.027s 13
21. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m42.706s + 3.558s 22
22. Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1m42.820s + 3.672s 19
23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m44.517s + 5.369s 23
24. Dani Clos HRT-Cosworth 1m45.735s + 6.587s 22
P2 - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103318
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m38.832s 33
2. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m38.864s + 0.032s 33
3. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m39.160s + 0.328s 28
4. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m39.219s + 0.387s 29
5. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m39.330s + 0.498s 31
6. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m39.422s + 0.590s 30
7. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m39.584s + 0.752s 36
8. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m39.717s + 0.885s 25
9. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m39.739s + 0.907s 33
10. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m39.839s + 1.007s 26
11. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m39.957s + 1.125s 28
12. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m40.089s + 1.257s 32
13. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m40.112s + 1.280s 34
14. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m40.445s + 1.613s 28
15. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m40.745s + 1.913s 11
16. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m40.789s + 1.957s 31
17. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m40.997s + 2.165s 32
18. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m41.200s + 2.368s 33
19. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m41.602s + 2.770s 23
20. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m42.596s + 3.764s 28
21. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m43.067s + 4.235s 21
23. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m43.636s + 4.804s 22
22. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m43.869s + 5.037s 36
24. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m44.533s + 5.701s 24
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