The Official Korean GP thread (WITH SPOILERS)
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Not trying to create an overly simplistic conspiracy but...
- Lewis announces he will leave McLaren.
- Lewis starts weekend quick, as he always is extracting the max out of the initial car setup.
- Lewis is about 0.4s quicker than JB, as usual.
- Over the course of the weekend they make "setup" changes to Lewis' car.
- Lewis progressively gets slower, ending up around 0.8s slower than JB. (currently 0.5s so far this weekend)
Hmmmm.
I mean, is this really that obvious?
- Lewis announces he will leave McLaren.
- Lewis starts weekend quick, as he always is extracting the max out of the initial car setup.
- Lewis is about 0.4s quicker than JB, as usual.
- Over the course of the weekend they make "setup" changes to Lewis' car.
- Lewis progressively gets slower, ending up around 0.8s slower than JB. (currently 0.5s so far this weekend)
Hmmmm.
I mean, is this really that obvious?
mattikake said:
Not trying to create an overly simplistic conspiracy but...
- Lewis announces he will leave McLaren.
- Lewis starts weekend quick, as he always is extracting the max out of the initial car setup.
- Lewis is about 0.4s quicker than JB, as usual.
- Over the course of the weekend they make "setup" changes to Lewis' car.
- Lewis progressively gets slower, ending up around 0.8s slower than JB. (currently 0.5s so far this weekend)
Hmmmm.
I mean, is this really that obvious?
Umm. Starts the weekend 'quick'? How'd you come to that conclusion without knowing the fuel loads of Lewis' car in relation to the competitors?- Lewis announces he will leave McLaren.
- Lewis starts weekend quick, as he always is extracting the max out of the initial car setup.
- Lewis is about 0.4s quicker than JB, as usual.
- Over the course of the weekend they make "setup" changes to Lewis' car.
- Lewis progressively gets slower, ending up around 0.8s slower than JB. (currently 0.5s so far this weekend)
Hmmmm.
I mean, is this really that obvious?
"They" includes Hamilton, unless you think he is so weak-willed that he has no control over what changes are made to his car. As McLaren are still in with a chance of the constructors title, I can't see why they'd "sabotage" one of their cars just because the driver is leaving - that's what drivers tend to do, move around teams.
ewenm said:
"They" includes Hamilton, unless you think he is so weak-willed that he has no control over what changes are made to his car. As McLaren are still in with a chance of the constructors title, I can't see why they'd "sabotage" one of their cars just because the driver is leaving - that's what drivers tend to do, move around teams.
Nailed it right there.There are some so blind they will never see things as they actually are.
Poor little Lewis. The whole world's agi'n him, even his own team which has never cushioned him against so many realities for many years ...
.... and still continue to do so...
There's more to winning races than being a one lap master ... don't take my word for it, ask Vettel.
skinny said:
FloppyRaccoon said:
So Rosberg has said he'll do the Gangnam style dance (Very popular right now, from Korean artist Psy) if he wins the race. I do hope he wins.
as long as vettel doesn't try to sing it over the radio when he wins... Speedy11 said:
IainT said:
Plus the setup change last weekend that meant Hamilton was slow in qualy and the race was his own decision - one assuems with some input from his mechs.
Except he was slow because of a suspension failure not because of his setup choice.IainT said:
Speedy11 said:
IainT said:
Plus the setup change last weekend that meant Hamilton was slow in qualy and the race was his own decision - one assuems with some input from his mechs.
Except he was slow because of a suspension failure not because of his setup choice.Article said:
McLaren has discovered that Lewis Hamilton's handling issues over the Japanese Grand Prix weekend were caused by a rear suspension problem.
The 2008 world champion was plagued by understeer in qualifying and the race at Suzuka, where he came home a distant fifth having started down in ninth.
Hamilton was baffled by the issue at the time, which he felt cured itself during the race on Sunday.
But speaking to reporters in the paddock ahead of this weekend's Korean Grand Prix, he said McLaren now knows what was wrong with his car.
When asked by AUTOSPORT if his setup choice had led to the car's poor handling, Hamilton said: "It didn't actually.
"I know my car very well, so it's very rare that I get it wrong. And if I do it's only a little bit and I can still manage it.
"But this was the worst it has ever been set up, and I was really shocked that I had done that.
"I hoped it wasn't my fault, but fortunately the guys did a lot of analysis after the race and found our that we had a failure on part of the rear suspension, so that's comforting."
When quizzed on the exact nature of the problem, Hamilton added: "It's not a suspension failure, because I could still drive with it.
"There was just a part that helps the balance and when you set it up it should react in one way but it didn't do that.
"I'm happy that we found something, so it won't be a problem for this weekend."
The Briton added that Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel were right not to rule him out of championship contention following a weekend that left him 42 points adrift in the title race.
"I don't think it's them being polite," he said. "We have a competitive car so we are still in the fight.
"We were quicker than them at Singapore and Monza, so we are still one of the dominant forces in the championship.
"We should have had 35 points from the last two races, but there's still 125 points to go and we've got to keep pushing. You just have to give it your all and wait for the outcome."
The 2008 world champion was plagued by understeer in qualifying and the race at Suzuka, where he came home a distant fifth having started down in ninth.
Hamilton was baffled by the issue at the time, which he felt cured itself during the race on Sunday.
But speaking to reporters in the paddock ahead of this weekend's Korean Grand Prix, he said McLaren now knows what was wrong with his car.
When asked by AUTOSPORT if his setup choice had led to the car's poor handling, Hamilton said: "It didn't actually.
"I know my car very well, so it's very rare that I get it wrong. And if I do it's only a little bit and I can still manage it.
"But this was the worst it has ever been set up, and I was really shocked that I had done that.
"I hoped it wasn't my fault, but fortunately the guys did a lot of analysis after the race and found our that we had a failure on part of the rear suspension, so that's comforting."
When quizzed on the exact nature of the problem, Hamilton added: "It's not a suspension failure, because I could still drive with it.
"There was just a part that helps the balance and when you set it up it should react in one way but it didn't do that.
"I'm happy that we found something, so it won't be a problem for this weekend."
The Briton added that Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel were right not to rule him out of championship contention following a weekend that left him 42 points adrift in the title race.
"I don't think it's them being polite," he said. "We have a competitive car so we are still in the fight.
"We were quicker than them at Singapore and Monza, so we are still one of the dominant forces in the championship.
"We should have had 35 points from the last two races, but there's still 125 points to go and we've got to keep pushing. You just have to give it your all and wait for the outcome."
IainT said:
Speedy11 said:
IainT said:
Plus the setup change last weekend that meant Hamilton was slow in qualy and the race was his own decision - one assuems with some input from his mechs.
Except he was slow because of a suspension failure not because of his setup choice.IainT said:
Speedy11 said:
IainT said:
Plus the setup change last weekend that meant Hamilton was slow in qualy and the race was his own decision - one assuems with some input from his mechs.
Except he was slow because of a suspension failure not because of his setup choice.ajprice said:
Schumacher has a reprimand for impeding Karthikeyan and DLR. Making a HRT go slower is going some, but both!!?!? 
Ha, at one stage I saw Schumacher gesticulating to De La Rosa as he was alongside, then seemingly slow down purposely to then slow him down, I guess this is what it's for.It's free practise, why get all stressy about it, it's part of the deal on Fridays, surely? 'Kin 'ell Schumi, you're a bit too old for all this sillyness surely?
Wanta996Gotta said:
skinny said:
FloppyRaccoon said:
So Rosberg has said he'll do the Gangnam style dance (Very popular right now, from Korean artist Psy) if he wins the race. I do hope he wins.
as long as vettel doesn't try to sing it over the radio when he wins... Wanta996Gotta said:
Sky F1 team Gangnam Style - http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/20699/816...
Crying with laughter here!!!
mattikake said:
Not trying to create an overly simplistic conspiracy but...
- Lewis announces he will leave McLaren.
- Lewis starts weekend quick, as he always is extracting the max out of the initial car setup.
- Lewis is about 0.4s quicker than JB, as usual.
- Over the course of the weekend they make "setup" changes to Lewis' car.
- Lewis progressively gets slower, ending up around 0.8s slower than JB. (currently 0.5s so far this weekend)
Hmmmm.
I mean, is this really that obvious?
tin foil hat time- Lewis announces he will leave McLaren.
- Lewis starts weekend quick, as he always is extracting the max out of the initial car setup.
- Lewis is about 0.4s quicker than JB, as usual.
- Over the course of the weekend they make "setup" changes to Lewis' car.
- Lewis progressively gets slower, ending up around 0.8s slower than JB. (currently 0.5s so far this weekend)
Hmmmm.
I mean, is this really that obvious?
MGJohn said:
ewenm said:
"They" includes Hamilton, unless you think he is so weak-willed that he has no control over what changes are made to his car. As McLaren are still in with a chance of the constructors title, I can't see why they'd "sabotage" one of their cars just because the driver is leaving - that's what drivers tend to do, move around teams.
Nailed it right there.There are some so blind they will never see things as they actually are.
Lewis: "It was such a big difference from P1 to P2 and the car wasn't really that different. Just a small change on the rear ride-height which is nothing [for him],".
So it's something else. Maybe poor little Lewis has simply forgotten how to drive?
0.5s difference is daft and it's forming the exact same pattern as in Japan.
Lewis leaves team. Suddenly slower than JB. Occam's Razor.
mattikake said:
And there's some so utterly blind they don't even realise that that door swings both ways.
Lewis: "It was such a big difference from P1 to P2 and the car wasn't really that different. Just a small change on the rear ride-height which is nothing [for him],".
So it's something else. Maybe poor little Lewis has simply forgotten how to drive?
0.5s difference is daft and it's forming the exact same pattern as in Japan.
Lewis leaves team. Suddenly slower than JB. Occam's Razor.
You think the simplest explanation would be sabotage by McLaren rather than LH giving slightly less than 100% now that his focus may be elsewhere? I don't think either are true, but sabotage is certainly not the simple answer.Lewis: "It was such a big difference from P1 to P2 and the car wasn't really that different. Just a small change on the rear ride-height which is nothing [for him],".
So it's something else. Maybe poor little Lewis has simply forgotten how to drive?
0.5s difference is daft and it's forming the exact same pattern as in Japan.
Lewis leaves team. Suddenly slower than JB. Occam's Razor.
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