RE: Deltawing sent flying
Discussion
Mules said:
The Deltawing was awesome at Le Mans this year, great to see it's still in action. Glad the driver is intact, there didn't look to be much head / ground clearance.
JT
Doesn't look much worse than most single seaters to me.JT
e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow5k57mSzKA
I must admit it was slightly worrying the way the car seemed to heel over onto its side so easily. I guess it's possible a traditional 4 at each corner car might have flipped right over though in such an impact.
I'm a bit surprised no-one's asked if the green car wouldn't have lost control less easily coming out of a bend if they didn't insist on sticking the engine block behind the rear wheels, though
M.
I'm a bit surprised no-one's asked if the green car wouldn't have lost control less easily coming out of a bend if they didn't insist on sticking the engine block behind the rear wheels, though
M.
marcosgt said:
I'm a bit surprised no-one's asked if the green car wouldn't have lost control less easily coming out of a bend if they didn't insist on sticking the engine block behind the rear wheels, though
M.
Not sure if the position of the engine would have made it any worse.. I imagine what possibly happened was that there was some partial RH lock when the nearside rear wheel span faster/had less grip than the offside rear, causing the sideways motion.M.
The same can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo0wk45F28E
Maybe I'm completely wrong though, I accept I could well be.
Not convinced the Deltawing configuration makes it any less stable, as that crash is very similar to Scott Sharp's a few years ago :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqyHIqk6XFk
Fast car hits slower car under load is always going to be scary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqyHIqk6XFk
Fast car hits slower car under load is always going to be scary.
Like Mr Beans mini vs the Robin!!!
Clearly a slight concern doe the delta wing developers, it's all well and good reducing drag and friction but at the cost of safety? I guess that's the issue here, yes it's fast and fun but is it worth the risk? My personal opinion is that whilst motorsport is dangerous, people sign up for it knowing the risks and if they chose to drive such a car then should put up with consequences so yes it's worth the reduction in stability/safety for the increase in performance; particularly given that the old line 'ain't no replacement for displacement' seems to be out the window these days.
Clearly a slight concern doe the delta wing developers, it's all well and good reducing drag and friction but at the cost of safety? I guess that's the issue here, yes it's fast and fun but is it worth the risk? My personal opinion is that whilst motorsport is dangerous, people sign up for it knowing the risks and if they chose to drive such a car then should put up with consequences so yes it's worth the reduction in stability/safety for the increase in performance; particularly given that the old line 'ain't no replacement for displacement' seems to be out the window these days.
masermartin said:
I disagree, I think the Porsche was making a move to come into the pits. Just didn't see the DW.
There does seem to be a bit of a problem when it comes to visibility for the DW - not sure there's much that can be done about that though?
You can see if you watch from about 0:45 - 0:48.. look at the front wheels of the Porsche.. it looks like the back end has broken away slightly and he's trying to correct right before he hits the Nissan. I agree with the others in that it was just an accident!There does seem to be a bit of a problem when it comes to visibility for the DW - not sure there's much that can be done about that though?
I agree, looks like the Porker lost it rather than a deliberate move across the track. He was a bit slow to correct it and shouldn't have kept his foot in, but spinning into the corner on the exit is a spectacularly common way of losing it in a Porsche race car because of where the engine is and the lack of steering lock.
Skater12 said:
It strikes me that the positioning of the wheels had something to do with how easily flipped the car was.
The Tripod layout, in the event of a side impact at speed doesn't seem to be as stable as a standard configuration.
Similarly its shape might be an advantage in other types of crashes so who can say really?The Tripod layout, in the event of a side impact at speed doesn't seem to be as stable as a standard configuration.
Chicane-UK said:
masermartin said:
I disagree, I think the Porsche was making a move to come into the pits. Just didn't see the DW.
There does seem to be a bit of a problem when it comes to visibility for the DW - not sure there's much that can be done about that though?
You can see if you watch from about 0:45 - 0:48.. look at the front wheels of the Porsche.. it looks like the back end has broken away slightly and he's trying to correct right before he hits the Nissan. I agree with the others in that it was just an accident!There does seem to be a bit of a problem when it comes to visibility for the DW - not sure there's much that can be done about that though?
hunt_the_fox said:
I don't think that was correcting an out of control car, I've looked at that footage and it looks to me like a deliberate move to the right before impact.
Nope, we've all watched the footage too! I watch an awful lot of GT racing every year and that Porsche took a bounce on the kerb that threw it out of shape. 48-49s he has opposite lock on, he isn't wanting to move right at all. Gassing Station | General Motorsport | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff