RE: PH Blog: please, don't F1 it up now...
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I would much rather a sporting event won fairly and correctly than have a miscarriage of justice because changing a result after the event might upset a few people.
It would be a dangerous precedent to set if we allowed athletes and sports people to "get away with it" just because they didn't get caught at the time. Lance Armstrong is a good case in point.
I have no opinion about this particular incident regarding Vettel but if it deems worthy of review then it should be reviewed.
It would be a dangerous precedent to set if we allowed athletes and sports people to "get away with it" just because they didn't get caught at the time. Lance Armstrong is a good case in point.
I have no opinion about this particular incident regarding Vettel but if it deems worthy of review then it should be reviewed.
I think some of Sebastians comments after the race reflect some of the frustration following some media saying he can only win from the front and Alonso saying he was racing Adrain Newey. Niether Alonso or Massa had a word of congratulations for Vettel. Vettel has had to race through the pack this year, it is about time he was recognised for his achievements. To be fair to team bosses and most of the other drivers that has been the case.
supertouring said:
All I can see is that Vettle spots the green flag being waved and goes for it, as he should in his position.
The only confusion was that the original tv footage has the graphic obscure the marshalls post, hence could not see the green flag being waved.
With the 2nd footage, it is clear and although the colour may not be that clear, it is deffo not a yellow flag.
Did he pass before or after the green flag though?The only confusion was that the original tv footage has the graphic obscure the marshalls post, hence could not see the green flag being waved.
With the 2nd footage, it is clear and although the colour may not be that clear, it is deffo not a yellow flag.
I thought you could only pass after you'd passed the green.
As much as I don't like the idea of a championship being decided in the courts I equally don't like them being won by underhand cheating. Rule bending, pushing the limits yes but cheating and clear rule breaking no.
That said Axis of Oversteer have seemingly cleared it up as marshall was waving green flag.
That said Axis of Oversteer have seemingly cleared it up as marshall was waving green flag.
As I posted on the other thread on this topic, there's a yellow light on the exit of turn three and then a green light at the entry to turn four. In between is a marshall waving a green flag - Vettel overtakes after this.
The flag takes precedence over the dashboard readout.
The overtake was legal.
Case closed.
The flag takes precedence over the dashboard readout.
The overtake was legal.
Case closed.
My gut reaction is that after other drivers including Hamilton, rightly or wrongly, fell foul of rules that were ruthlessly enforced in seasons past, the rules should bloody well be enforced even if it is retrospectively.
But looking at the video on the first page of comments there IS a green flag being waved so it's all moot. Vettel didn't do anything wrong and did enough to win the championship.
As a footnote, it's a real shame that the front-running cars are SO much better than the mid-table and back-marker cars. It made it far too easy for Vettel to carve back up into the points in a few short laps. Credit to the man for doing it without crashing etc, but it's like LM-P1 cars racing GT3s. You'll notice how his progress more or less stopped at seventh, where the pace was quicker, until Mickey Shoe let him past.
But looking at the video on the first page of comments there IS a green flag being waved so it's all moot. Vettel didn't do anything wrong and did enough to win the championship.
As a footnote, it's a real shame that the front-running cars are SO much better than the mid-table and back-marker cars. It made it far too easy for Vettel to carve back up into the points in a few short laps. Credit to the man for doing it without crashing etc, but it's like LM-P1 cars racing GT3s. You'll notice how his progress more or less stopped at seventh, where the pace was quicker, until Mickey Shoe let him past.
I agree that If he did pass under the yellow flag they have to apply the rules, but it will taint a lot of people's vew on the sport.
Yes it's necessary to apply your rules, that goes without saying, but it leaves a bad taste , in my mouth at least, at the thought of the title changing hands outside the track.
Yes it's necessary to apply your rules, that goes without saying, but it leaves a bad taste , in my mouth at least, at the thought of the title changing hands outside the track.
Vettel also passed a HRT under yellow flags:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vki0bEql6As
Double penalty perchance?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vki0bEql6As
Double penalty perchance?
BaronVonVaderham said:
Vettel also passed a HRT under yellow flags:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vki0bEql6As
Double penalty perchance?
That's an old one, cleared as he passed before reaching the yellow sector.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vki0bEql6As
Double penalty perchance?
The one Brundle pointed out was a red/yellow low grip flag.
The one being discussed is a third one, where the lights were showing yellow, but apparently a green flag was being waved.
Clearly if there is anything in this story it is someone trying to make a story out of nothing.
Vettel is called very lucky? Fact is he is only the third driver in F1 history to score a championship hat trick. There has never been complaints against Fangio when his team mates moved out of his way or even handed over their car to him in order for the great man to score points. Schumacher has been given endless stick over Ferrari telling his team mate to move over. Vettel has been No.1 yes but not had that kind of help from Mark Webber. Alonso has had Massa do what a Ferrari No.2 always does, and yet not a word of complaint about him? I think the real question should be what chance has a German driver got with the British press.
Vettel is called very lucky? Fact is he is only the third driver in F1 history to score a championship hat trick. There has never been complaints against Fangio when his team mates moved out of his way or even handed over their car to him in order for the great man to score points. Schumacher has been given endless stick over Ferrari telling his team mate to move over. Vettel has been No.1 yes but not had that kind of help from Mark Webber. Alonso has had Massa do what a Ferrari No.2 always does, and yet not a word of complaint about him? I think the real question should be what chance has a German driver got with the British press.
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