RE: Loeb can't help but win
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ScoobieWRX said:
Didn't Valentino Rossi have a go in an F1 car as he was thinking of going in that direction. Apparently he was pretty quick out of the box and i don't doubt for one second he has a big enough pair of cojones.
I remember this but because Ferrari were not allowed to put three cars on the grid he was never going to get one of the top two seats going.rhinochopig said:
How much was Loeb and how much was the car?
People seem to forget as someone else points out, just who he has beaten in his career and only remember the last few years where it seemed Hirvonen was the only who could mount a prolonged challenge, not forgetting he only lost out by 1 point one year. If it was the car, why wasnt the other Citreon 2nd in the championships.
jamespink said:
sisu said:
This is cockblocking at its best. As much as I admire Loeb, his suave style. Roll up to practice in a Lamborghini, shag the PR girls then win the race. He has to let the others get some action.
While the other drivers are busy training and practicing the routes, trying to get the setup sorted for the next race. Pleading with sponsors to stay with them.
Sebastian is doing this...
Please don't try and tell me that's not exactly what you would do if you were in his shoes? I just don't get the sniping here. He is a world class sportsman, no one comes close, he is young and healthy, why the hell not enjoy yourself? There are hundreds of non deserving footballists living it large for a few years!While the other drivers are busy training and practicing the routes, trying to get the setup sorted for the next race. Pleading with sponsors to stay with them.
Sebastian is doing this...
No one is chatting about Jari Matti Latvala's stage times are they?
predding said:
fatboy69 said:
Genius!
The guy is a true legend & must be the best ever.
Absolute top driver and will be in Alsace for Rally de France but....please dont forget a certain W Rohrl The guy is a true legend & must be the best ever.
RX7 said:
rhinochopig said:
How much was Loeb and how much was the car?
People seem to forget as someone else points out, just who he has beaten in his career and only remember the last few years where it seemed Hirvonen was the only who could mount a prolonged challenge, not forgetting he only lost out by 1 point one year. If it was the car, why wasnt the other Citreon 2nd in the championships.I'm not arguing that he's not a great talent, but I'm always curious when someone at an Elite level is so dominant. It typically doesn't happen in other sports. Take Rossi again, the fact that Burgess is his crew chief is a major factor in his success.
predding said:
Absolute top driver and will be in Alsace for Rally de France but....please dont forget a certain W Rohrl
Walter Roehrl .... surely one of the greatest drivers ever !!!I am proud to be a friend of him. He is very keen on driving my Ginetta G60 someday, frequently asking about date of delivery ...
Edited by Hubert K on Monday 21st January 19:57
I love watching Loeb drive, and his personality is a winner for me too. He just never seems flustered by anything and remains super cool at all times.
As mentioned, it is the ultimate cockblock on his part, and I applaud him for it. He has crushed his competition in the WRC underfoot year after year, let the guy retire how he wants. The eventual winner this year (assuming it is not Loeb) has the shame of knowing theirs was a hollow victory, won only because Loeb chose not to do the full season, then in 2014 someone can take the WRC title and say that they were the best driver on the field that year. The shadow of Loeb will forever loom large, I doubt in my lifetime I'll ever see a driver as dominant as him again.
I wish him all the best in his future racing endeavors, which are really just hobbies that he does for fun. Then again, given how cool he always seemed in his WRC interviews, you'd be forgiven for thinking he treated the WRC like a hobby too. Turn up, destroy the competition, spray the champagne around and have a good time.
As mentioned, it is the ultimate cockblock on his part, and I applaud him for it. He has crushed his competition in the WRC underfoot year after year, let the guy retire how he wants. The eventual winner this year (assuming it is not Loeb) has the shame of knowing theirs was a hollow victory, won only because Loeb chose not to do the full season, then in 2014 someone can take the WRC title and say that they were the best driver on the field that year. The shadow of Loeb will forever loom large, I doubt in my lifetime I'll ever see a driver as dominant as him again.
I wish him all the best in his future racing endeavors, which are really just hobbies that he does for fun. Then again, given how cool he always seemed in his WRC interviews, you'd be forgiven for thinking he treated the WRC like a hobby too. Turn up, destroy the competition, spray the champagne around and have a good time.
rhinochopig said:
Well if you draw parallels with someone like Rossi, the factory bike was most definitely developed around him. Perhaps this has been the case with the Citroen; it was developed to fit his driving style?? And he does have a very neat style that differs to most others.
I'm not arguing that he's not a great talent, but I'm always curious when someone at an Elite level is so dominant. It typically doesn't happen in other sports. Take Rossi again, the fact that Burgess is his crew chief is a major factor in his success.
Rossi also took his crew, Burgess et al, with he to Ducati... Between them, they couldn't make the Duke work... Rossi never matched Stoner's achievements on the bike.I'm not arguing that he's not a great talent, but I'm always curious when someone at an Elite level is so dominant. It typically doesn't happen in other sports. Take Rossi again, the fact that Burgess is his crew chief is a major factor in his success.
rhinochopig said:
Well if you draw parallels with someone like Rossi, the factory bike was most definitely developed around him. Perhaps this has been the case with the Citroen; it was developed to fit his driving style?? And he does have a very neat style that differs to most others.
I'm not arguing that he's not a great talent, but I'm always curious when someone at an Elite level is so dominant. It typically doesn't happen in other sports. Take Rossi again, the fact that Burgess is his crew chief is a major factor in his success.
You could of course discuss both being the no1 driver/rider the car/bike was developed around them, very much the case with the Yamaha & Rossi, but then you could also say, Lorenzo beat Rossi on the same bike?? Whilst i would never not acknowledge Rossi's unbelievable talent, i think it was right place, right time, right bike, when he came to MotoGp he had an ageing field to beat with no such pedigree as the likes Loeb beat Sainz, McRae, Gronholm who Loeb beat. Who did Rossi really beat over his first few years, Biaggi and Gibernau?I'm not arguing that he's not a great talent, but I'm always curious when someone at an Elite level is so dominant. It typically doesn't happen in other sports. Take Rossi again, the fact that Burgess is his crew chief is a major factor in his success.
I think this is the pity, whenever you get a dominance like Loeb there is always a corner who says, best car and no competition, which is a pity. Rossi seems to have god like status and seems to go untouched by these suggestions.
Hubert K said:
predding said:
Absolute top driver and will be in Alsace for Rally de France but....please dont forget a certain W Rohrl
Walter Roehrl .... surely one of the greatest drivers ever !!!I am proud to be a friend of him. He is very keen on driving my Ginetta G60 someday, frequently asking about date of delivery ...
Edited by Hubert K on Monday 21st January 19:57
Great fan of his, when we are honoured with some tv footage.
Allyc85 said:
So someone wins a world championship 9 times in a row (would have been 10 if not for team orders!) and he still gets criticized for a cheeky fag and pint! Only on PH 
The man is a genius, I cant wait to see how his GT career works out!
Nearly as good as when Mr Mosleys bedroom antics were all over the Sunday papers and he said that Loebs unshaven style could give motorsport a poor image.The man is a genius, I cant wait to see how his GT career works out!
DanielSan said:
I still think Loeb's best win was his first, beating the WRC cars in the F2 Xsara at the time, ok granted it was on tarmac, but even so...
Er, that wasn't him. The late Phillipe Bugalski won 2 events in a F2 Xsara Kit car in Catalunya & Corsica in 1999. Loeb's first 'official' win was Rallye Deutscland in 2002, though he finished first on the road in Monte earlier that year.Agree with an earlier comment, I look forward to him in the GT McLaren in the FiA GT Sprint series, partnering Alvaro Parente.
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