RE: Toyota GT86 GT4 racer to hit the track
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A 350bhp 2-litre turbo boxer 4-pot has been done in the past by, err, Subaru??? And that cost nowhere near £100k, neither I believe did a Mitsubishi FQ360 / 400? Sticking a little turbo, even a light-pressure one which wouldn't balls up the low torque would still probobly put the car at way under £40k, so I think it will happen one day in the future. And for those who hate turbos, you could probobly still buy one without.....
I think a 350bhp "TRD/STi" version should be doable with a minimal investment. Surely Subota has planned to make a more powerful version available at some point, anyway? Impreza STis were knocking on those kinds of power levels over a decade ago.
My guess is they're waiting a couple years after launch to bring out the "exciting" version. Kind of like what Porsche do; slowly trickle out higher performance versions of whatever generation 911 is currently in production, leaving a year or so in between for each version's sales to peak.
I predict Toyota will reveal a production turbo with at least 310BHP within the year. They'd be bonkers not to.
My guess is they're waiting a couple years after launch to bring out the "exciting" version. Kind of like what Porsche do; slowly trickle out higher performance versions of whatever generation 911 is currently in production, leaving a year or so in between for each version's sales to peak.
I predict Toyota will reveal a production turbo with at least 310BHP within the year. They'd be bonkers not to.
405dogvan said:
"What we want is a back to basics roadcar with RWD, a loose back-end and which is fun at road speeds"
king-up the power delivery and making it feel st below 80mph WAH WAH WAH"
As someone said, this in road-form would cost more than some cars which already do more anyway, so it's pointless.
A turbo would completely defeat the point of the car
People need to stop buying cars based on the bigness of numbers on the spec sheet alone - there's more to it than winning pub top trumps.
Haha. It's a bit more than pub top trumps. It's about going fast. A car that looks fast and goes no where is an automotive no-no in my opinion. - that is delivered*
king-up the power delivery and making it feel st below 80mph WAH WAH WAH"As someone said, this in road-form would cost more than some cars which already do more anyway, so it's pointless.
A turbo would completely defeat the point of the car
People need to stop buying cars based on the bigness of numbers on the spec sheet alone - there's more to it than winning pub top trumps.
Having 'feel' and RWD capability quickly becomes rubbish when you see other cars taking you on a straight whilst you've got your foot mashed to the pedal.
It seems people have forgotten the PistonHeads motto of "Speed Matters".
foxhounduk said:
Haha. It's a bit more than pub top trumps. It's about going fast. A car that looks fast and goes no where is an automotive no-no in my opinion.
Having 'feel' and RWD capability quickly becomes rubbish when you see other cars taking you on a straight whilst you've got your foot mashed to the pedal.
It seems people have forgotten the PistonHeads motto of "Speed Matters".
Caterham Roadsports have a top speed of somewhere between 110 and 140. I guess they're rubbish too? No real PHer would have a car so slow right?Having 'feel' and RWD capability quickly becomes rubbish when you see other cars taking you on a straight whilst you've got your foot mashed to the pedal.
It seems people have forgotten the PistonHeads motto of "Speed Matters".
foxhounduk said:
405dogvan said:
"What we want is a back to basics roadcar with RWD, a loose back-end and which is fun at road speeds"
king-up the power delivery and making it feel st below 80mph WAH WAH WAH"
As someone said, this in road-form would cost more than some cars which already do more anyway, so it's pointless.
A turbo would completely defeat the point of the car
People need to stop buying cars based on the bigness of numbers on the spec sheet alone - there's more to it than winning pub top trumps.
Haha. It's a bit more than pub top trumps. It's about going fast. A car that looks fast and goes no where is an automotive no-no in my opinion. - that is delivered*
king-up the power delivery and making it feel st below 80mph WAH WAH WAH"As someone said, this in road-form would cost more than some cars which already do more anyway, so it's pointless.
A turbo would completely defeat the point of the car
People need to stop buying cars based on the bigness of numbers on the spec sheet alone - there's more to it than winning pub top trumps.
Having 'feel' and RWD capability quickly becomes rubbish when you see other cars taking you on a straight whilst you've got your foot mashed to the pedal.
It seems people have forgotten the PistonHeads motto of "Speed Matters".
xRIEx said:
foxhounduk said:
405dogvan said:
"What we want is a back to basics roadcar with RWD, a loose back-end and which is fun at road speeds"
Haha. It's a bit more than pub top trumps. It's about going fast.
Then again, different strokes for different folks I guess, maybe you and I just have very different driving styles.
I suppose any GT-86 racing is good in my eyes, shame it's required a powerhike though! The nigh-on standard ToyotaGB from last years Britcar showed that they can be used for a viable production car-endurance alternative, certainly for Creventic events and Nurburgring 24 hours, should be interesting to see these race alongside the Jota Mx5 thats also had to have a powerhike.
"Brum brum, look at me, I can go really fast in a straight line!!!!"
"Oooh. Better slow down to 20, there's a bend coming up"
Foxhound clearly doesn't get the GT86, so stopping encouraging him
Nothing wrong with a turbo version, imo, but don't expect it to be cheap - Probably somewhere between the 40 and 60K mark, if it ever appears and with only a very niche appeal at that price, which suggests it may well never do so, as a factory car, at least.
Equally, though, the standard GT86 is fast enough to have some fun on the road, provided your idea of fun isn't JUST pinning your passenger to their seat in straight line...
M.
"Oooh. Better slow down to 20, there's a bend coming up"
Foxhound clearly doesn't get the GT86, so stopping encouraging him
Nothing wrong with a turbo version, imo, but don't expect it to be cheap - Probably somewhere between the 40 and 60K mark, if it ever appears and with only a very niche appeal at that price, which suggests it may well never do so, as a factory car, at least.
Equally, though, the standard GT86 is fast enough to have some fun on the road, provided your idea of fun isn't JUST pinning your passenger to their seat in straight line...
M.
I know of a project to fit a 5 litre Toyota 2UR-GSE V8 to a GT86 race car - 417 bhp out of the box. Engines were delivered yesterday https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.47624292...
Ringing 400HP out of 2 litres is still pushing it a bit from a practicality standpoint for everyday motoring.
What I wouldn't want in a road car is something temperamental that needs servicing every 5 minutes. I’ll leave that to the track focused cars.
Make it a modest 250HP or so and that would offer the extra umph the straight line merchants seem to need, whilst not turning the thing into a brittle handful.
What I wouldn't want in a road car is something temperamental that needs servicing every 5 minutes. I’ll leave that to the track focused cars.
Make it a modest 250HP or so and that would offer the extra umph the straight line merchants seem to need, whilst not turning the thing into a brittle handful.
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