Sean Edwards killed

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The Wookie

13,970 posts

229 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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Race Track Owner said:
"It's a piece of road, it doesn't do anything,"

"It's what people do on it that counts.
I hate to risk derailing a solemn thread but I can't let this one pass uncommented.

I can understand the guy being protective of his livelihood but as a driver I find that attitude pretty offensive. There are a multitude of situations where a driver can be minimally at fault or not at all at fault, such as a brake failure which I've experienced more than once myself.

Fair enough that no-one had been killed at that track up until that point but they now have, and to dismiss any shortcomings of the circuit that have been highlighted in this accident is short sighted in the extreme.

woof

8,456 posts

278 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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The Wookie said:
Race Track Owner said:
"It's a piece of road, it doesn't do anything,"

"It's what people do on it that counts.
I hate to risk derailing a solemn thread but I can't let this one pass uncommented.

I can understand the guy being protective of his livelihood but as a driver I find that attitude pretty offensive. There are a multitude of situations where a driver can be minimally at fault or not at all at fault, such as a brake failure which I've experienced more than once myself.

Fair enough that no-one had been killed at that track up until that point but they now have, and to dismiss any shortcomings of the circuit that have been highlighted in this accident is short sighted in the extreme.
Hey Ollie

The track was woefully under standard in terms to what we would regard as good safety levels. I'm told that some drivers won't go there because of their concerns.

I suspect that there was a complete brake failure and the novice driver couldn't slow down before hitting a 2 layer tyre wall that was infront of a concrete wall. Makes me shudder - i had a front wishbone failure at Brands this year - 120mph little or no steering or brakes. Thankfully the gravel dramatically slowed me down - here it looks like a dirt or sand area. It would have done nothing.




The Wookie

13,970 posts

229 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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woof said:
Hey Ollie

The track was woefully under standard in terms to what we would regard as good safety levels. I'm told that some drivers won't go there because of their concerns.

I suspect that there was a complete brake failure and the novice driver couldn't slow down before hitting a 2 layer tyre wall that was infront of a concrete wall. Makes me shudder - i had a front wishbone failure at Brands this year - 120mph little or no steering or brakes. Thankfully the gravel dramatically slowed me down - here it looks like a dirt or sand area. It would have done nothing.
Hello mate. I have to say I didn't want to pass judgement from some pixelated shots of the track, but I suspected as much.

I sympathise, I had effectively total brake failure last year in the Golf heading down to Cascades at Oulton; 130mph+ on the approach, hit the pedal and nothing. Eventually with a massive amount of force I managed to lock a rear wheel and spin it (we'd put rubbish pads in the back as I'd been complaining of iffy bias for the last few rounds with no problem found...) but I still ended up hitting the barrier absolutely head on.

Not only did I walk away totally unscathed but the boys actually had the car fixed and back out for the next session, despite hitting the barrier at a high enough speed that I was pummelling at it expecting to get knocked out.

A proper gravel run off, 5 or 6 rows of tyres with an Armco (that did its job and detached from the ground) behind it, the car ended up with it mid point over the post holes! If it had been a couple of loose tyres and a concrete retaining wall I'd have probably suffered a similar fate.

MMC Andy

527 posts

222 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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Not sure this speculation from 12k miles away helps at all. However for balance, one of my clients, Erebus Motorsport, use the track as their regular test track for the V8's; and I'm sure as many people in the UK will not race at circuits like Coombe, Thruxton & Mallory for the same reasons you voice.
Also the driver wasn't a complete novice - driving in the Oz equivalent GT3 Challenge with his family team.

It appears to be, and remains, a tragic accident and the motorsport community is substantially worse off for losing Sean. Its over used, but he was a real talent and his ability to move between machinery and win races across the globe, of all lengths, showed all that followed his career, that his stock was in the ascendancy.

The Wookie

13,970 posts

229 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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MMC Andy said:
and I'm sure as many people in the UK will not race at circuits like Coombe, Thruxton & Mallory for the same reasons you voice.
You're right, I apologise and it probably isn't helpful but I just couldn't let the appalling attitude of the circuit owner pass.

Also FWIW I would consider Coombe in a slower car but wouldn't race at either of the other circuits you mention if I had an easy choice.

Chrisgr31

13,490 posts

256 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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woof said:
I suspect that there was a complete brake failure and the novice driver couldn't slow down before hitting a 2 layer tyre wall that was infront of a concrete wall. Makes me shudder - i had a front wishbone failure at Brands this year - 120mph little or no steering or brakes. Thankfully the gravel dramatically slowed me down - here it looks like a dirt or sand area. It would have done nothing.
I was looking at some of the overhead shots trying to work out what had happened and brake failure would seem to be a sensible option as I couldn't see any skid tracks leading to the impact point. Also the fact that the run-off area has fire engines etc standing on it would seem to indicate that it was not a gravel runoff area.

I do believe there are a number of circuits where gravel traps have been replaced with tarmac, problem is there are pro's and cons of both.

Hopefully lessons will be learned from this incident which will benefit other users of race circuits around the world.

Chrisgr31

13,490 posts

256 months

Wednesday 16th October 2013
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Tribute from his mother in the Evening Standard

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/mothers-tribute-...

Munter

31,319 posts

242 months

Friday 18th October 2013
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Allyc85

7,225 posts

187 months

Friday 18th October 2013
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Loads of great onboards on his Youtube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/user/seanedwards000/videos

rallycross

12,824 posts

238 months

Tuesday 22nd October 2013
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Janesy B

2,625 posts

187 months

Tuesday 22nd October 2013
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Poor lad frown

retrobob

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190 months

AMD87

2,004 posts

203 months

Friday 13th December 2013
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Sorry to dig up this thread but did a design to put on my stuff for Le Mans next year based on Sean's helmet



Also designed one for Allan too

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

234 months

Friday 13th December 2013
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AMD87 said:
Also designed one for Allan too
I really want a couple of stickers like that. Not fussed about the AMR bit but the wrapped car and logo just gave me a jolt.

Allyc85

7,225 posts

187 months

Friday 13th December 2013
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Classy touches smile

AMD87

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203 months

Friday 13th December 2013
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Rude-boy said:
I really want a couple of stickers like that. Not fussed about the AMR bit but the wrapped car and logo just gave me a jolt.
Thanks I was abit iffy when I was designing it on how other people would react, i sent Jeroen Bleekemolen a message before I finished it off to see what he thought and he like it.

24lemons

2,653 posts

186 months

Saturday 14th December 2013
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I think it would be a nice touch if everyone making the trip to Le Mans next year carried the Allan Simonsen sticker in the back window of their cars.

James_N

2,959 posts

235 months

Monday 16th December 2013
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Rude-boy said:
I really want a couple of stickers like that. Not fussed about the AMR bit but the wrapped car and logo just gave me a jolt.
I like too. Would look nice on the back of my Aston Martin Racing Jacket smile

woof

8,456 posts

278 months

Monday 16th December 2013
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Nice to see the BBC mention Sean as one of the fallen of 2013
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sports-personality/25...