RE: New operator for Mallory Park

[will01]

good luck to them, its great to hear that the circuit will continue to run

[Munter]

TopOnePercent said:

Munter said:

You think the runways were built illegally? Or did they go through the planning process? That's all that was needed here. For the circuit operator to use the planning process rather than ignore it and ask for forgiveness later. That's not how the law works.

You still can't see the difference. I still wonder how you operate in society.

The number of landings, hours of operation, weight of aircraft have all changed. It's called progress.

Circuits, like airports, roads, and railways, will get busier and noisier as time goes by.

More people means more users means more noise.

Nimbys having an agreement made in the 80s cannot possibly expect that over 30 years later there should be no expansion. Based on population growth alone they should have expected 30% growth in circuit usage by now.

But wait, it gets better. In another 30 years, the population will have risen to 50% more than when the agreement was made, so you need to expect at least 150 days use per year. Plan appropriately.

Or do you expect to set Heathrow flight numbers back to what they were last time a runway was built? FFS.

Maybe we should reset the traffic on the A1 back to 80s levels because other nimbys may have bought on that basis?

Or, and I know its a radical idea, we could tell them to stfu or move?

You couldn't answer my questions so you've gone off on a tangent. The Progress is required. Planning is applied for. Planning is granted. Et Voila heathrow expands.

Brilliant.

But Mallorys operators just built their "runway", without asking. You think anybody should be allowed to build or do anything anywhere and everybody should stfu? You're not of traveller decent are you?

[Bionic Billy Nav]

Top one percent, Top Man!

I don't care how good any of the nimbys are at putting up their argument about noise at Mallory Park realistically this is Pistonheads a Petrolhead Website/Forum for car and bike lovers alike which I discovered on my annual pilgrimage to Le Man's in 2006 when a group of TVR's came hooning past me in my BMW all with bloody great Pistonheads stickers on so you ain't gonna get no sympathy here infact I don't think nimbys have any place on this here website so do us all a favour because no one cares...

Edited by Bionic Billy Nav on Thursday 5th December 12:53

[anonymous-user]

Munter said:

You couldn't answer my questions so you've gone off on a tangent. The Progress is required. Planning is applied for. Planning is granted. Et Voila heathrow expands.

Brilliant.

But Mallorys operators just built their "runway", without asking. You think anybody should be allowed to build or do anything anywhere and everybody should stfu? You're not of traveller decent are you?

Mallory didn't build more runways, they just increased the usage of the one they had.

You really don't get it do you? If you move next to something and it bothers you, then you move away from it. Simple and fair.

What's not fair is to move next to something noisy, then bh about the noise and demand it close just because its interrupting your faux middle glass garden parties.

If you didn't understand what living next to a racing circuit would be like, or somehow failed to notice it was there, then that's your own look out. Stop trying to make everyone elses life as sad, empty, and miserable as your own.

We REALLY need a monthly PH cruise up there to help move the nimbys on. I'm sure there's a nice calm quiet care home you can move into somewhere else.

[trashbat]

Bionic Billy Nav said:

I don't care how good any of the nimbys are at putting up their argument about noise at Mallory Park realistically this is Pistonheads a Petrolhead Website/Forum for car and bike lovers alike

And yet, if you or T1% care to acquaint yourselves with the many previous threads on Mallory, the consensus seems to be that BARC/MPML were a shambles, and the average PHer's sympathy lies much more with the residents.

[anonymous-user]

Bionic Billy Nav said:

Top one percent, Top Man!

I don't care how good any of the nimbys are at putting up their argument about noise at Mallory Park realistically this is Pistonheads a Petrolhead Website/Forum for car and bike lovers alike which I discovered on my annual pilgrimage to Le Man's in 2006 when a group of TVR's came hooning past me in my BMW all with bloody great Pistonheads stickers on so you ain't gonna get no sympathy here infact I don't think nimbys have any place on this here website so do us all a favour because no one cares...

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 5th December 12:53

I think the problems being caused because Munter got kicked out of mumsnet for being a whiney bh.

[Munter]

Bionic Billy Nav said:

Top one percent, Top Man!

I don't care how good any of the nimbys are at putting up their argument about noise at Mallory Park realistically this is Pistonheads a Petrolhead Website/Forum for car and bike lovers alike which I discovered on my annual pilgrimage to Le Man's in 2006 when a group of TVR's came hooning past me in my BMW all with bloody great Pistonheads stickers on so you ain't gonna get no sympathy here infact I don't think nimbys have any place on this here website so do us all a favour fk off with your whining and a moaning it's not welcome because no one cares...

Do you think a circuit operator should operate within the law or outside of the law?

This isn't about NIMBYs. It's about the question of do we obey laws or not? Mallory chose to operate outside the law. And they got shut down. Which was daft because it's not like the locals want the place closed down. They just want to be involved. Otherwise what's to stop 24 hour noise 365 days a year at 200db in the house next to yours?

[anonymous-user]

Either we build more tracks, or the tracks we have must get busier to meet demand.

Tracks are expensive, houses are cheap. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the outcome here.

[Munter]

TopOnePercent said:

Mallory didn't build more runways, they just increased the usage of the one they had.

You really don't get it do you?

You clearly don't. Increased usage is change. Change by the circuit to an agreement with the residents. Without asking. And illegally.

And you blame the residents for going "Err excuse me but if you want change to our agreement, you ask"

[Bionic Billy Nav]

trashbat said:

Bionic Billy Nav said:

I don't care how good any of the nimbys are at putting up their argument about noise at Mallory Park realistically this is Pistonheads a Petrolhead Website/Forum for car and bike lovers alike

And yet, if you or T1% care to acquaint yourselves with the many previous threads on Mallory, the consensus seems to be that BARC/MPML were a shambles, and the average PHer's sympathy lies much more with the residents.

I have been on and previously quoted on the threads you refer to but thankyou..

[anonymous-user]

Munter said:

Do you think a circuit operator should operate within the law or outside of the law?

This isn't about NIMBYs. It's about the question of do we obey laws or not? Mallory chose to operate outside the law. And they got shut down. Which was daft because it's not like the locals want the place closed down. They just want to be involved. Otherwise what's to stop 24 hour noise 365 days a year at 200db in the house next to yours?

Well, had I bought a house next to a race track, there would be nothing to stop it and nor would I try.

What's to stop it in say Sandy, or any other village the A1 goes through? Usage of expensive assets will only ever increase. If you live near one and don't like that, then move and stop being so fking selfish. Ohhhhh but this bothers meeeee *mince* *mince* something must be doneeeeee. tts.

[anonymous-user]

Munter said:

You clearly don't. Increased usage is change. Change by the circuit to an agreement with the residents. Without asking. And illegally.

And you blame the residents for going "Err excuse me but if you want change to our agreement, you ask"

Change is inevitable.

[trashbat]

Bionic Billy Nav said:

I have been on and previously quoted on the threads you refer to but thankyou..

In that case then, you'll know that the whole affair is significantly more complicated than NIMBYs, mostly revolving around the dubious business practices of one company, and also that some of us here aren't so dim that a whiff of petrol compels us to sprint into a fight unarmed with any actual facts. Put a giant grinning smiley on that.

[mad4amanda]

TopOnePercent said:

Either we build more tracks, or the tracks we have must get busier to meet demand.

Tracks are expensive, houses are cheap. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the outcome here.

Err no tracks could get more expensive to use, so stopping some from using them thus lowering demand whilst maximising profit for operators.
Houses may be cheaper but they contain multiple voters.
The issue at Mallory was the fault of the previous operator ignoring the agreements in place.
Why would we as enthusiasts and users want to create a nimbyisum that doesn't exist in reality that the new operator will have to encounter.
Lets just calm down and give them room to manoeuvre and perhaps if everyone criticising the residents actually went to an event and paid money to be there the circuit operators would be more successful and the village would benefit too.
But that may be a step too far for the internet warriors?

[Munter]

TopOnePercent said:

Munter said:

You clearly don't. Increased usage is change. Change by the circuit to an agreement with the residents. Without asking. And illegally.

And you blame the residents for going "Err excuse me but if you want change to our agreement, you ask"

Change is inevitable.

Indeed. So why not do it properly, rather than being put out of business?

[Munter]

TopOnePercent said:

Munter said:

Do you think a circuit operator should operate within the law or outside of the law?

This isn't about NIMBYs. It's about the question of do we obey laws or not? Mallory chose to operate outside the law. And they got shut down. Which was daft because it's not like the locals want the place closed down. They just want to be involved. Otherwise what's to stop 24 hour noise 365 days a year at 200db in the house next to yours?

Well, had I bought a house next to a race track, there would be nothing to stop it and nor would I try.

No. Your house (I assume you live somewhere), right now. If we are to ignore the laws around this. Why shouldn't your existing next door neighbour make very loud noise 24x7x365?

[AdeV]

TopOnePercent said:

Munter said:

You clearly don't. Increased usage is change. Change by the circuit to an agreement with the residents. Without asking. And illegally.

And you blame the residents for going "Err excuse me but if you want change to our agreement, you ask"

Change is inevitable.

Really? That's your answer?

Are you 5 years old?

Are you a complete moron, or do you have to work at it?

[anonymous-user]

Munter said:

Indeed. So why not do it properly, rather than being put out of business?

The agreement was with the previous business, not the one the nimbys just killed, nor the one replacing it.

Things change, and more use of Mallory is inevitable, so the moaners can accept that or pack up and head for their care home.

And yes, for the benefit of the other nimby, I do go to events at MP and other circuits.

[anonymous-user]

Munter said:

No. Your house (I assume you live somewhere), right now. If we are to ignore the laws around this. Why shouldn't your existing next door neighbour make very loud noise 24x7x365?

Given a straight choice of whine like a bh for years while destroying something of economic, social, and historic value..... Or move?

I'd just move house. It's not exactly hard to do.

[anonymous-user]

AdeV said:

Really? That's your answer?

Are you 5 years old?

Are you a complete moron, or do you have to work at it?

Explain which bit of it was wrong?

It's like having a battle of wits with benny from crossroads. Does the teacher know you're on the school computer again?