RE: Closed road motorsport back on?
Discussion
RoverP6B said:
Sorry, but no. I value being able to get out of my house. It was bad enough with all the bloody cycle races making me effectively a prisoner in my own home, without any consultation...
Are you in the right place? The proposal is to allow local authorities to be able to consult the public to hold closed road races, rather than apply to the Government. Even if the bill is passed you'll still be able to go along and moan your f
king heart out while eating all the biscuits, you miserable get.deadmau5 said:
Sending it now!
ETA: for those folk wanting to do this with minimum effort, the email address is msc@culture.gsi.gov.uk
Edited by Quikcurl on Thursday 27th February 18:05
Surrey County Council permitted the closure of a road in Shere, near Guildford, to allow an un-timed hill climb in aid of a local charity last year and it is happening again this year. Great fun with some fabulous cars!!! Really pissed of the local cyclists who found their unofficial race could not use the hill.
I have no interest in motorsport, sorry. Remind me why we have circuits if we need roads for racing on too? Any road quiet enough to be closed for motorsport will be too narrow and dangerous for the speeds involved. Like I said, having experienced being imprisoned in my home on several occasions by cycle races, it is something I don't want to see happen again and which I would not wish to impose on anyone else. The majority of the public couldn't care less about motorsport and would certainly not be at all sympathetic to a few Paddy Hopkirk wannabes wanting to keep them in their homes for a day or more. Want to go racing? Hire a circuit. Want to go rallying? Go and use a forest track. Just don't impose your hobby on those of us who rely on your venue as the means of accessing the outside world from our homes and vice versa. Certainly, any attempt to bring street racing to this part of the world will meet with strong opposition from me and from very many others. My heart was gladdened to read the other day that the organiser of several of these cycle races round hear has just gone bust!
pr1ckle said:
Surrey County Council permitted the closure of a road in Shere, near Guildford, to allow an un-timed hill climb in aid of a local charity last year and it is happening again this year. Great fun with some fabulous cars!!! Really pissed of the local cyclists who found their unofficial race could not use the hill.
Yes, and pissed off a fair few people who live on said road, including Bobby Bell of Bell & Colvill fame. It also resulted in various supercars racing at highly illegal speeds on nearby roads to get back to the hillclimb. Incidentally, although it was called the Shere Hillclimb, it wasn't in Shere at all, but several miles away in East Clandon.Edited by RoverP6B on Thursday 27th February 18:42
RoverP6B said:
I have no interest in motorsport, sorry. Remind me why we have circuits if we need roads for racing on too? Any road quiet enough to be closed for motorsport will be too narrow and dangerous for the speeds involved. Like I said, having experienced being imprisoned in my home on several occasions by cycle races, it is something I don't want to see happen again and which I would not wish to impose on anyone else. The majority of the public couldn't care less about motorsport and would certainly not be at all sympathetic to a few Paddy Hopkirk wannabes wanting to keep them in their homes for a day or more. Want to go racing? Hire a circuit. Want to go rallying? Go and use a forest track. Just don't impose your hobby on those of us who rely on your venue as the means of accessing the outside world from our homes and vice versa. Certainly, any attempt to bring street racing to this part of the world will meet with strong opposition from me and from very many others. My heart was gladdened to read the other day that the organiser of several of these cycle races round hear has just gone bust!
Mr.P6B, you do know this is a website for driving enthusiasts don't you?pr1ckle said:
Surrey County Council permitted the closure of a road in Shere, near Guildford, to allow an un-timed hill climb in aid of a local charity last year and it is happening again this year. Great fun with some fabulous cars!!! Really pissed of the local cyclists who found their unofficial race could not use the hill.
Yes, and pissed off a fair few people who live on said road, including Bobby Bell of Bell & Colvill fame. It also resulted in various supercars racing at highly illegal speeds on nearby roads to get back to the hillclimb. Incidentally, although it was called the Shere Hillclimb, it wasn't in Shere at all, but several miles away in East Clandon.Edited by RoverP6B on Thursday 27th February 18:42
Have you ever seen the isle Of Man TT? Or ever watched any footage of the heydays of classing rallying? The odds of somebody wanting to race right past your own personal front door are quite minimal, it would proboly be on rural roads in the countryside and will need 100% consent from every resident ( if there are any ) to go ahead. A sprint or hillclimb would only last maximum 2 miles if that, and there is an awful lot of rods in the UK if you had not noticed. If the head of Bell and Colville who I think sell Lotus? Got the arse with a hill climb past his front door I think that is quite disappointing. .I would be outside cheering them on if I wasn't taking part myself .
I went to watch a French friend compete in a hill climb just outside Calais last year as a pre cursor to entering myself, it was an amazing spectacle and everybody locally was right behind it. Indeed the Village made a lot of money from it, I think a few UK villages would love to host an event to put them on the map, .
And as for it being dangerous as the roads too narrow, that's rubbish. They would be experienced competitors in purpose built cars with medical back up, not boy racers screaming about. It would be a great victory for enthusiasts or Motorsport and accessible for club competitors not just the rich elite.
I'd like to answer a few points you make -
That's simply not true! its almost like saying any B road/single track country lane are deathtraps to drive on! have you seen the roads over Ireland? not in any better condition than ours here( in many areas much worse than our pothole ridden tarmac), yet they have successful tarmac rallies, and regular Joe's seem to be able to drive on them at a fair lick without any problems.
Any organised motorsport using the public highway has to have some sort of liaison with the residents likely to be affected. In road rallying, a timed 'race' run through the night at lawful speeds, has to be PR'd most organising clubs will inform the residents affected anything from a month in advance. These are usually run through country lanes and quite often Farm tracks with the blessings of the farmer.
Given enough notice these residents are able to plan their week/weekend around the running of the event, some oven holiday for the week!
Your likely to not be affected at all as it will mean that big rallies will be able to hold town/city centre special stages like they do abroad. I'd imagine most of the roads that will be closed will actually be some way away from largely populated areas, purely down to the fact most councils have introduced ridiculous traffic calming measures around towns that it would be useless for rallies! Your more likely to see miles of roads in Wales shut down for a few hours than London city centre being closed!
RoverP6B said:
Any road quiet enough to be closed for motorsport will be too narrow and dangerous for the speeds involved.
That's simply not true! its almost like saying any B road/single track country lane are deathtraps to drive on! have you seen the roads over Ireland? not in any better condition than ours here( in many areas much worse than our pothole ridden tarmac), yet they have successful tarmac rallies, and regular Joe's seem to be able to drive on them at a fair lick without any problems.
RoverP6B said:
Like I said, having experienced being imprisoned in my home on several occasions by cycle races, it is something I don't want to see happen again and which I would not wish to impose on anyone else.
Any organised motorsport using the public highway has to have some sort of liaison with the residents likely to be affected. In road rallying, a timed 'race' run through the night at lawful speeds, has to be PR'd most organising clubs will inform the residents affected anything from a month in advance. These are usually run through country lanes and quite often Farm tracks with the blessings of the farmer.
RoverP6B said:
Want to go rallying? Go and use a forest track.
Its not as simple as that. And many people live on or very close to these forest stages, yet these still continue. not everyone has the budget or desire to do forest stages. Track based rally stages are mundane and very short as most tracks have little variation available due to lack of usable tarmac off the race track.RoverP6B said:
Just don't impose your hobby on those of us who rely on your venue as the means of accessing the outside world from our homes and vice versa.
As above, when the WRC is in town there are many towns/villages affected by them using the roads/tracks as access routes to the special stages. yet the event still runs and occasionally special instructions are put in to not disrupt the residents or to allow them access to and from their houses between the stages being run.Given enough notice these residents are able to plan their week/weekend around the running of the event, some oven holiday for the week!
RoverP6B said:
Certainly, any attempt to bring [b]street racing[b] to this part of the world will meet with strong opposition from me and from very many others.
it isn't Street racing, your not going to see Fast and Furious type drag races down your local high street if this proposal is passed!Your likely to not be affected at all as it will mean that big rallies will be able to hold town/city centre special stages like they do abroad. I'd imagine most of the roads that will be closed will actually be some way away from largely populated areas, purely down to the fact most councils have introduced ridiculous traffic calming measures around towns that it would be useless for rallies! Your more likely to see miles of roads in Wales shut down for a few hours than London city centre being closed!
RyanTank said:
I'd imagine most of the roads that will be closed will actually be some way away from largely populated areas, purely down to the fact most councils have introduced ridiculous traffic calming measures around towns that it would be useless for rallies! Your more likely to see miles of roads in Wales shut down for a few hours than London city centre being closed!
I dunno, sleeping policemen would sure make an exciting obstacle!That said, the insurance on such an event would be immense. It's tough enough for the local council to hold a carnival with floats what with the insurance cost.
wst said:
dunno, sleeping policemen would sure make an exciting obstacle!
Makes a mess of the suspension on anything other than a WRC spec car!They ran a 'spectator special' down on the Cardiff Bay Barrage and surrounding roads about 3 years ago (i think) Recce being run on road speeds was fine. when it came to competition speeds they were a right b
d! popping tyres and struts!tho on a few cars it may have been damage from the forest and only came to light on the tarmac!
FredericRobinson said:
Jim Clark Rally, Mull Rally, Scarborough Gold Cup, IOM TT, IOM Rally, Ulster Rally, North West 200, Ulster GP, Armoy
Plenty of examples of closed road racing in the UK, successful events, perfectly do-able, popular in their local areas
I think the only roads allowed to close will be for these type of events already running closed road stages, Rallies big enough to be noticed and with a bit of clout, imagine what new life it could breath into Rally GB even further than its 're-boot' last year!! and even then its likely to be only one or two roads close to the rally. not towns shutting down to accommodate the sideways inclined for a whole weekend Plenty of examples of closed road racing in the UK, successful events, perfectly do-able, popular in their local areas
RoverP6B said:
I have no interest in motorsport, sorry. Remind me why we have circuits if we need roads for racing on too? Any road quiet enough to be closed for motorsport will be too narrow and dangerous for the speeds involved. Like I said, having experienced being imprisoned in my home on several occasions by cycle races, it is something I don't want to see happen again and which I would not wish to impose on anyone else. The majority of the public couldn't care less about motorsport and would certainly not be at all sympathetic to a few Paddy Hopkirk wannabes wanting to keep them in their homes for a day or more. Want to go racing? Hire a circuit. Want to go rallying? Go and use a forest track. Just don't impose your hobby on those of us who rely on your venue as the means of accessing the outside world from our homes and vice versa. Certainly, any attempt to bring street racing to this part of the world will meet with strong opposition from me and from very many others. My heart was gladdened to read the other day that the organiser of several of these cycle races round hear has just gone bust!
Ever considered writing for the daily mail?Furyblade_Lee said:
Mr.P6B, you do know this is a website for driving enthusiasts don't you?
Driving enthusiast does not equal motorsport enthusiast. I am the first and not the second.Furyblade_Lee said:
Have you ever seen the isle Of Man TT? Or ever watched any footage of the heydays of classing rallying? The odds of somebody wanting to race right past your own personal front door are quite minimal, it would probably be on rural roads in the countryside and will need 100% consent from every resident ( if there are any ) to go ahead.
I have, yes. The TT is known as much as anything else for its spectacular and often fatal crashes. There have been numerous cycle races past the end of my road which have left me stuck here, with zero consultation never mind gaining the consent of all residents! Likewise, Bobby Bell was most unhappy about the Shere (East Clandon) hillclimb as it was leaving him stuck at home all Sunday, but his opinion was disregarded. These events DON'T help the local economy - they hurt it. Local traders here at the time of the cycle races reported trade being catastrophically far below the norm for such days. If you hadn't noticed, most roads in the UK tend to go somewhere and to have residential properties accessed from them.Furyblade_Lee said:
And as for it being dangerous as the roads too narrow, that's rubbish. They would be experienced competitors in purpose built cars with medical back up, not boy racers screaming about.
Not the case at all. Most of it is and would be enthusiasts with more bravado than skill. RyanTank said:
I'd like to answer a few points you make -
That's simply not true! its almost like saying any B road/single track country lane are deathtraps to drive on! have you seen the roads over Ireland? not in any better condition than ours here( in many areas much worse than our pothole ridden tarmac), yet they have successful tarmac rallies, and regular Joe's seem to be able to drive on them at a fair lick without any problems.
RoverP6B said:
Any road quiet enough to be closed for motorsport will be too narrow and dangerous for the speeds involved.
That's simply not true! its almost like saying any B road/single track country lane are deathtraps to drive on! have you seen the roads over Ireland? not in any better condition than ours here( in many areas much worse than our pothole ridden tarmac), yet they have successful tarmac rallies, and regular Joe's seem to be able to drive on them at a fair lick without any problems.
I don't care what the Irish do: the state our roads are in, potholed, nasty cambers, vegetation overhanging, they are not safe to be raced upon. I'm a keen driver and I've been known to 'make progress', but the stuff I could do even just three years ago simply isn't possible to do safely now.
RyanTank said:
RoverP6B said:
Like I said, having experienced being imprisoned in my home on several occasions by cycle races, it is something I don't want to see happen again and which I would not wish to impose on anyone else.
Any organised motorsport using the public highway has to have some sort of liaison with the residents likely to be affected. In road rallying, a timed 'race' run through the night at lawful speeds, has to be PR'd most organising clubs will inform the residents affected anything from a month in advance. These are usually run through country lanes and quite often Farm tracks with the blessings of the farmer.
RyanTank said:
RoverP6B said:
Want to go rallying? Go and use a forest track.
Its not as simple as that. And many people live on or very close to these forest stages, yet these still continue. not everyone has the budget or desire to do forest stages. Track based rally stages are mundane and very short as most tracks have little variation available due to lack of usable tarmac off the race track. When the WRC is in town there are many towns/villages affected by them using the roads/tracks as access routes to the special stages. yet the event still runs and occasionally special instructions are put in to not disrupt the residents or to allow them access to and from their houses between the stages being run.Given enough notice these residents are able to plan their week/weekend around the running of the event, some oven holiday for the week!
RyanTank said:
RoverP6B said:
Certainly, any attempt to bring [b]street racing[b] to this part of the world will meet with strong opposition from me and from very many others.
it isn't Street racing, your not going to see Fast and Furious type drag races down your local high street if this proposal is passed! Your likely to not be affected at all as it will mean that big rallies will be able to hold town/city centre special stages like they do abroad. I'd imagine most of the roads that will be closed will actually be some way away from largely populated areas, purely down to the fact most councils have introduced ridiculous traffic calming measures around towns that it would be useless for rallies! Your more likely to see miles of roads in Wales shut down for a few hours than London city centre being closed!Is Britain the only country in the world where closed road motorpsort isn't common? let alone not allowed.
Rally stages here are usually only closed for a few hours, or sometimes half a day. A hillclimb might close a road for most of a day, but its pretty rare for them to be affecting anybodies house access unless its a farmer (who is often competing or helping run the event, hence using that road).
Rally stages here are usually only closed for a few hours, or sometimes half a day. A hillclimb might close a road for most of a day, but its pretty rare for them to be affecting anybodies house access unless its a farmer (who is often competing or helping run the event, hence using that road).
GravelBen said:
Is Britain the only country in the world where closed road motorpsort isn't common? let alone not allowed.
Rally stages here are usually only closed for a few hours, or sometimes half a day. A hillclimb might close a road for most of a day, but its pretty rare for them to be affecting anybodies house access unless its a farmer (who is often competing or helping run the event, hence using that road).
England in particular is incredibly densely populated. There's nowhere, even right out in the sticks, where you can ever be truly isolated.Rally stages here are usually only closed for a few hours, or sometimes half a day. A hillclimb might close a road for most of a day, but its pretty rare for them to be affecting anybodies house access unless its a farmer (who is often competing or helping run the event, hence using that road).
For anyone browsing on a phone etc or with crappy service the suggestion from the MSA is as follows:
email msc@culture.gsi.gov.uk with the heading "Proposal to Authorise Motor Sport Events on Public Roads Consultation"
Then copy and paste the following into an email. Go for it, only takes two minutes and could make a MASSIVE difference.
Dear Sirs,
Please see my answers to the pertinent questions of the proposal mentioned in the headline above:
Q1. Do you agree with the proposal to give local authorities the powers to allow motor sport events on public roads subject to the local consultation? If you disagree please give reasons.
Answer: Yes I agree. The UK leads the world in terms of motor sport with the industry generating an estimated £9bn for the economy annually and employing 41,000 people in 4,300 companies. Yet the UK lags behind much of the rest of the world, including the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland, in not allowing motor sport events to take place on closed public roads. Allowing motor sport events to be held on closed public roads will provide an economic boost to host communities; support the growth of UK motor sport and the associated industry; allow engaging events to be created; and create a valuable platform for taking road safety messaging to the wider public.
Q2. Do you agree that local authorities should be able to close roads for motor sport events? If you disagree please give reasons.
Answer: Yes I agree. Empowering local authorities to be able to close roads for motor sport events would represent a positive devolution of power. It will mean that local people, rather than politicians in Westminster, will be able to determine what happens on the roads in their region and will ensure that Parliament does not need to spend its valuable time debating whether or not to close a road somewhere in the country. It is an important principle that no organisation other than the Local Authority should be granted powers to close its roads, as this ensures that no event can be forced upon a region against the will of the locally elected Authority.
Q3. Do you agree that local authorities should have the power under certain circumstances to suspend the speed limit and applicable road traffic regulations? If there are any traffic regulations you would prefer not to see suspended, please give reasons.
Answer: Yes, I agree that local authorities should have the power under certain circumstances to suspend the speed limit and applicable road traffic regulations. This is on the understanding that the road traffic regulations are replaced by established and robust sporting regulations, as laid down by the MSA and ACU, to ensure that all events are well organised, properly regulated and fully insured.
Q4. Do you agree that the Motor Sports Association and the Auto Cycle Union should be the “Authorising Authority” for any motor sport events on public roads?
Answer: Yes I agree. The Motor Sports Association (MSA) and the Auto-Cycle Union (ACU) both have many decades of experience of governing four- and two-wheel motor sport in the UK. The MSA is recognised by motor sport’s world governing body, the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA), as the sole national sporting authority for four-wheel motor sport in the UK. The ACU is similarly recognised by the Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM) as the national sporting authority for two-wheel motor sport in the British Isles. They are the only organisations with the experience, knowledge and resources necessary to act as the Authorising Authorities for any motor sport events on public roads.
With the MSA and ACU as Authorising Authorities, only drivers and riders who have been formally licensed for competition by the governing bodies would be eligible to take part in motor sport events on closed public roads. The MSA and ACU licensing structures are suitably robust and rigorously enforced to ensure that licensed competitors are suitably competent to take part in the motor sport events they enter.
Q5. Do you agree that the Sports Ground Safety Authority could provide valuable expertise and guidance to ensure motor sport events on roads can be delivered safely?
Answer: No, I doubt that the SGSA would be able to add value in this environment. Both the Motor Sports Association (MSA) and the Auto-Cycle Union (ACU) operate comprehensive, long-established and successful risk management programmes for four- and two-wheel motor sport respectively.
Motor sport is a unique and complex sporting activity and requires specific experience and expertise to deal with its diverse events and venues, and especially to manage the risks associated with vehicles travelling at speed which is unique to our sport. It seems unlikely that the SGSA would be able to offer anything valuable in this context over and above the experts from the MSA and ACU, other than perhaps the facilitation of a forum for liaison with the necessary statutory bodies. Furthermore, the involvement of another body simply introduces an additional layer of bureaucracy that inevitably adds costs to organisers and competitors alike.
Best regards,
email msc@culture.gsi.gov.uk with the heading "Proposal to Authorise Motor Sport Events on Public Roads Consultation"
Then copy and paste the following into an email. Go for it, only takes two minutes and could make a MASSIVE difference.
Dear Sirs,
Please see my answers to the pertinent questions of the proposal mentioned in the headline above:
Q1. Do you agree with the proposal to give local authorities the powers to allow motor sport events on public roads subject to the local consultation? If you disagree please give reasons.
Answer: Yes I agree. The UK leads the world in terms of motor sport with the industry generating an estimated £9bn for the economy annually and employing 41,000 people in 4,300 companies. Yet the UK lags behind much of the rest of the world, including the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland, in not allowing motor sport events to take place on closed public roads. Allowing motor sport events to be held on closed public roads will provide an economic boost to host communities; support the growth of UK motor sport and the associated industry; allow engaging events to be created; and create a valuable platform for taking road safety messaging to the wider public.
Q2. Do you agree that local authorities should be able to close roads for motor sport events? If you disagree please give reasons.
Answer: Yes I agree. Empowering local authorities to be able to close roads for motor sport events would represent a positive devolution of power. It will mean that local people, rather than politicians in Westminster, will be able to determine what happens on the roads in their region and will ensure that Parliament does not need to spend its valuable time debating whether or not to close a road somewhere in the country. It is an important principle that no organisation other than the Local Authority should be granted powers to close its roads, as this ensures that no event can be forced upon a region against the will of the locally elected Authority.
Q3. Do you agree that local authorities should have the power under certain circumstances to suspend the speed limit and applicable road traffic regulations? If there are any traffic regulations you would prefer not to see suspended, please give reasons.
Answer: Yes, I agree that local authorities should have the power under certain circumstances to suspend the speed limit and applicable road traffic regulations. This is on the understanding that the road traffic regulations are replaced by established and robust sporting regulations, as laid down by the MSA and ACU, to ensure that all events are well organised, properly regulated and fully insured.
Q4. Do you agree that the Motor Sports Association and the Auto Cycle Union should be the “Authorising Authority” for any motor sport events on public roads?
Answer: Yes I agree. The Motor Sports Association (MSA) and the Auto-Cycle Union (ACU) both have many decades of experience of governing four- and two-wheel motor sport in the UK. The MSA is recognised by motor sport’s world governing body, the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA), as the sole national sporting authority for four-wheel motor sport in the UK. The ACU is similarly recognised by the Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM) as the national sporting authority for two-wheel motor sport in the British Isles. They are the only organisations with the experience, knowledge and resources necessary to act as the Authorising Authorities for any motor sport events on public roads.
With the MSA and ACU as Authorising Authorities, only drivers and riders who have been formally licensed for competition by the governing bodies would be eligible to take part in motor sport events on closed public roads. The MSA and ACU licensing structures are suitably robust and rigorously enforced to ensure that licensed competitors are suitably competent to take part in the motor sport events they enter.
Q5. Do you agree that the Sports Ground Safety Authority could provide valuable expertise and guidance to ensure motor sport events on roads can be delivered safely?
Answer: No, I doubt that the SGSA would be able to add value in this environment. Both the Motor Sports Association (MSA) and the Auto-Cycle Union (ACU) operate comprehensive, long-established and successful risk management programmes for four- and two-wheel motor sport respectively.
Motor sport is a unique and complex sporting activity and requires specific experience and expertise to deal with its diverse events and venues, and especially to manage the risks associated with vehicles travelling at speed which is unique to our sport. It seems unlikely that the SGSA would be able to offer anything valuable in this context over and above the experts from the MSA and ACU, other than perhaps the facilitation of a forum for liaison with the necessary statutory bodies. Furthermore, the involvement of another body simply introduces an additional layer of bureaucracy that inevitably adds costs to organisers and competitors alike.
Best regards,
RoverP6B said:
I have no interest in motorsport, sorry. Remind me why we have circuits if we need roads for racing on too? Any road quiet enough to be closed for motorsport will be too narrow and dangerous for the speeds involved. Like I said, having experienced being imprisoned in my home on several occasions by cycle races, it is something I don't want to see happen again and which I would not wish to impose on anyone else. The majority of the public couldn't care less about motorsport and would certainly not be at all sympathetic to a few Paddy Hopkirk wannabes wanting to keep them in their homes for a day or more. Want to go racing? Hire a circuit. Want to go rallying? Go and use a forest track. Just don't impose your hobby on those of us who rely on your venue as the means of accessing the outside world from our homes and vice versa. Certainly, any attempt to bring street racing to this part of the world will meet with strong opposition from me and from very many others. My heart was gladdened to read the other day that the organiser of several of these cycle races round hear has just gone bust!
I have to say, you display an extremely selfish attitude when it comes to others using public roads. I also have to put up with a lot of cyclists and local roads being closed for certain events. It can be a bit of an inconvenience at times but I wouldn't be so arrogant as to expect they be cancelled. I certainly wouldn't be gladdened to read organisers had gone bust either! I know you say the majority of the public couldn't care less about motorsport, but there are many village locations who already welcome hillclimb events and enjoy the economic benefits of having an influx of visitors for the day or weekend. People make/made the same comments as yours about the weekend sprint at Crystal Palace, where local access is restricted for 2 days and some local roads are affected. (the course itself is in the park so it is walkers, dogs and cyclists that are affected most) Go there when the event is in full swing though and the benefits of such an event are obvious. Grass roots motorsport, where the public can get close to drivers and their cars, see the action up close and have a really good weekend. It is certainly worth a little inconvenience. I look forward to the possibility of there being more such events throughout the UK. Edited by e21Mark on Friday 28th February 10:03
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