RE: Circuit of Wales 'unviable' says Silverstone
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So, Donny have the race for next year...
Silverstone Circuit said:
Silverstone Circuits Limited has confirmed that it will not be staging the British round of the FIM MotoGP™ World Championship in 2015, after failing to agree terms with The Circuit of Wales (the promoter of the event from 2015).
Richard Phillips, Managing Director of Silverstone Circuits Limited, said: “We have invested heavily in the circuit and facilities here at Silverstone, specifically to host MotoGP, and have developed the British Grand Prix into a highly successful event. We wanted to keep MotoGP™ at Silverstone, but cannot afford to subsidise it. We are extremely disappointed not to be hosting the event in 2015.
“Any future deal, with Dorna or The Circuit of Wales, had to make economic sense for all parties, including us. We know from experience what it takes to run a high quality British Grand Prix. We made what we considered to be the maximum sensible offer to retain the event at Silverstone, but it seems that The Circuit of Wales, who have no experience of running a Grand Prix, have concluded they can do better running it themselves, using Donington until their circuit is ready.
“Silverstone has taken the event to a new level over the last five years, so we hope this won’t turn out to be a backwards step for the British Grand Prix, teams and fans. The Circuit of Wales evidently believe they can make the finances work using Donington next year – we wish them the best of luck.”
Richard Phillips, Managing Director of Silverstone Circuits Limited, said: “We have invested heavily in the circuit and facilities here at Silverstone, specifically to host MotoGP, and have developed the British Grand Prix into a highly successful event. We wanted to keep MotoGP™ at Silverstone, but cannot afford to subsidise it. We are extremely disappointed not to be hosting the event in 2015.
“Any future deal, with Dorna or The Circuit of Wales, had to make economic sense for all parties, including us. We know from experience what it takes to run a high quality British Grand Prix. We made what we considered to be the maximum sensible offer to retain the event at Silverstone, but it seems that The Circuit of Wales, who have no experience of running a Grand Prix, have concluded they can do better running it themselves, using Donington until their circuit is ready.
“Silverstone has taken the event to a new level over the last five years, so we hope this won’t turn out to be a backwards step for the British Grand Prix, teams and fans. The Circuit of Wales evidently believe they can make the finances work using Donington next year – we wish them the best of luck.”
Circuit of Wales AKA Fantasy Land said:
Donington Park has been elected by the Circuit of Wales and Dorna Sports as the alternative venue for the British Motorcycle Grand Prix for the 2015 event.
Whilst the Circuit of Wales is scheduled to host the British Motorcycle Grand Prix until 2024 after agreeing a five-year contract with the option for further five year extension with the Championship’s commercial rights holders, it has been decided that the series would return to the Leicestershire venue next year, before moving to the new Circuit of Wales in 2016.
“After announcing the long-term MotoGP agreement between Dorna and the Circuit of Wales three weeks ago our priority has been to agree the venue for 2015,” explained Chris Herring of the Circuit of Wales. Herring added: “It is in the interests of everyone, especially the fans, to make a decision as soon as possible and in Donington Park we have a venue that shares our vision for growing MotoGP in the UK.”
Dorna CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta commented: “The Circuit of Wales has worked very quickly to secure the best deal for the British race fans and we believe Donington Park will deliver a fantastic race in 2015. ”Ezpeleta continued, “Donington Park has a long history and has been the scene of some of the most exciting MotoGP races in recent years and we are sure that the extensive works undertaken since it reopened four years ago will guarantee a successful event.”
The date for the 2015 British FIM MotoGP™ World Championship round is expected to be announced later this month.
Donington Park had previously been the home of MotoGP™ for 23 years, hosting it from 1987 to 2009.
What a farce this is going to be. This HAS to have that idiot Gillet involved.....Whilst the Circuit of Wales is scheduled to host the British Motorcycle Grand Prix until 2024 after agreeing a five-year contract with the option for further five year extension with the Championship’s commercial rights holders, it has been decided that the series would return to the Leicestershire venue next year, before moving to the new Circuit of Wales in 2016.
“After announcing the long-term MotoGP agreement between Dorna and the Circuit of Wales three weeks ago our priority has been to agree the venue for 2015,” explained Chris Herring of the Circuit of Wales. Herring added: “It is in the interests of everyone, especially the fans, to make a decision as soon as possible and in Donington Park we have a venue that shares our vision for growing MotoGP in the UK.”
Dorna CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta commented: “The Circuit of Wales has worked very quickly to secure the best deal for the British race fans and we believe Donington Park will deliver a fantastic race in 2015. ”Ezpeleta continued, “Donington Park has a long history and has been the scene of some of the most exciting MotoGP races in recent years and we are sure that the extensive works undertaken since it reopened four years ago will guarantee a successful event.”
The date for the 2015 British FIM MotoGP™ World Championship round is expected to be announced later this month.
Donington Park had previously been the home of MotoGP™ for 23 years, hosting it from 1987 to 2009.
According to this he was involved at the first attempt, and turned to Donnington when it went wrong.
http://www.pitpass.com/47845/The-chequered-history...
Five minutes of googling and I haven't found a connection between him and the current outfit yet, but there appears to be two holding companies involved in the Head of the Valleys Development Company Ltd, I don't know if he is implicated with them.
http://www.pitpass.com/47845/The-chequered-history...
Five minutes of googling and I haven't found a connection between him and the current outfit yet, but there appears to be two holding companies involved in the Head of the Valleys Development Company Ltd, I don't know if he is implicated with them.
FWDRacer said:
The oppinion on difficulty to get to, is from the usual 'Blowhards' in the south east. Go and race at Lydden Hill if the distance bothers you.
And those 'Blowhards' in the East, North East, Proper up North, Scotland and Midlands who are all either still too far away for it to be of any use to them or have Silverstone, Donington, Rockingham, Mallory and a good few other tracks in 1-1:30 hours from their front door.Why dont they take alllllll the money for the circuit of wales
and invest it in donnington park to be the pinciale of race circuits for everything but F1. So that way, it can have good run off for motorcycle racing, not tarmac so the F1 boys can stop, do a U-turn and carry on without penalty
and invest it in donnington park to be the pinciale of race circuits for everything but F1. So that way, it can have good run off for motorcycle racing, not tarmac so the F1 boys can stop, do a U-turn and carry on without penalty
I like different circuits to have different character and charm. Oulton Park is my favourite track as it so pretty, the elevation changes and the variety of corners. Almost anything racing round there is exciting. But then the speed and amount of track you can see from Donington appeals. Silverstone used to be the heart of UK racing but since it was all messed about it has lost all charm and character to me and seems like a badly thought out part-finished building site now, I really don't like it anymore.
thatdude said:
Why dont they take alllllll the money for the circuit of wales
and invest it in donnington park to be the pinciale of race circuits for everything but F1. So that way, it can have good run off for motorcycle racing, not tarmac so the F1 boys can stop, do a U-turn and carry on without penalty
Because they do not have any money...and invest it in donnington park to be the pinciale of race circuits for everything but F1. So that way, it can have good run off for motorcycle racing, not tarmac so the F1 boys can stop, do a U-turn and carry on without penalty
I'd love to see the circuit built the strange ownership structure and lack of reported/documented assets for any of the companies suggests that the scheme probably isn't going happen quickly. Circuit of Wales Ltd, Heads of The Valleys Development Company Ltd, Rassau Ttack & Leisure Ltd, Aventa Capital Partners Ltd. The last basically owns all the former companies and none of the management team apart from the CEO are listed as formal directors at companies house bizarre!
I'm cynical about the CoW, but if it means that MotoGP goes to Donington long-term, promoted by the owners of CoW, then it is preferable to being at Silverstone.
Silverstone is a great Formula One track. but for anything else it is a big, soulless place for spectators, workers, teams and media. If Donington gets MotoGP long term, then it is the perfect end to the saga of the last decade. Donington gets the biggest possible race it can get, without having sold its soul and lost its character in pursuit of F1.
Silverstone is a great Formula One track. but for anything else it is a big, soulless place for spectators, workers, teams and media. If Donington gets MotoGP long term, then it is the perfect end to the saga of the last decade. Donington gets the biggest possible race it can get, without having sold its soul and lost its character in pursuit of F1.
I did see about ticket prices for Donington earlier.
Get this. Two venues, Silverstone and Donington, both with massive surplus of land.
Both now charging for parking, but only after you click "buy your ticket"
The charge is not mentioned at all until you have clicked on buying a ticket. And you can only avoid this by riding a bike. Even park and ride isnt free.
How can that be justified all of a sudden? These places are huge? Does it really cost lets say 150 grand to employ a few large men of ethnic minority to stand in a car par for a few days? Why is it 10 or 15 quid EACH!!
Or is it simply a way of making the ticket price a tenner more but in a very devious way?
I know where my pounds are staying, and they will never be going on big motorsport events in the UK, just a total rip off, and the blind fans will pay it no matter waht which verifies the circuits reasons for doing it.
Get this. Two venues, Silverstone and Donington, both with massive surplus of land.
Both now charging for parking, but only after you click "buy your ticket"
The charge is not mentioned at all until you have clicked on buying a ticket. And you can only avoid this by riding a bike. Even park and ride isnt free.
How can that be justified all of a sudden? These places are huge? Does it really cost lets say 150 grand to employ a few large men of ethnic minority to stand in a car par for a few days? Why is it 10 or 15 quid EACH!!
Or is it simply a way of making the ticket price a tenner more but in a very devious way?
I know where my pounds are staying, and they will never be going on big motorsport events in the UK, just a total rip off, and the blind fans will pay it no matter waht which verifies the circuits reasons for doing it.
I wonder if the car parking is a way over the circuits covering expenses through the back door. That is to say that they must pay a percentage of the face ticket value to Dorna or FIM - or whoever. But...there is no such agreement in place for parking. So the circuit charges £10 per car and gets 20,000 cars through the gates. That means £200,000 gross to go towards the expense of running the event.
Just a thought...
Just a thought...
I can tell you for definite that they certainly do pay a fee for hosting events, and that also car parking would not really scratch the surface to cover that sort of money
Rumour has it F1 at Silverstone is a considerbale sum alng the lines of a few maybe even 10 million and MotoGP at Silverstone was about 1.5 mill.
It's why Palmer refused to run WSBK at Brands years ago, he would have had to give most of his gate profits to Flammini for the "joy" of hosting an event that they did no promotion for!
Fair play to him I say
Rumour has it F1 at Silverstone is a considerbale sum alng the lines of a few maybe even 10 million and MotoGP at Silverstone was about 1.5 mill.
It's why Palmer refused to run WSBK at Brands years ago, he would have had to give most of his gate profits to Flammini for the "joy" of hosting an event that they did no promotion for!
Fair play to him I say
There's an unpleasant spiral of cost, which is well publicised, for F1 at least. Sadly the guy who cops the bill is the poor chump who pays to go through the gate. For example, my ticket for this year's US GP was £420. It was an excellent grandstand seat but I reckon I paid about the same (cumulatively) for the other 25 days of motor racing I enjoyed last year. That is utterly unreasonable and I reckon, once I've been to Suzuka for the Japanese GP I won't do another GP again unless the chance arises to do Interlagos. It's a great experience to watch a grand prix live but it's not five times as good as Bathurst, MotoGP or Le Mans.
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