NASCAR driver kills competitor on track.

NASCAR driver kills competitor on track.

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Altrezia

8,517 posts

211 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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Why the fk is he running across the track though?

He almost gets hit by the blue car first, and then Tony's.

Tony looks like part of a horrid accident to me. Nobody means to hit another person on track.


Patrick Bateman

12,173 posts

174 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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About the most idiotic thing you could do.

Escy

3,922 posts

149 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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I think he hit him on purpose

37chevy

3,280 posts

156 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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Altrezia said:
Why the fk is he running across the track though?

He almost gets hit by the blue car first, and then Tony's.

Tony looks like part of a horrid accident to me. Nobody means to hit another person on track.
To be fair tony has been guilty of running across the track before too, you often see stock car drivers remonstrating like this, or throwing helmets at each other. I'm not condoning it, just saying it happens quite a lot!

Crafty_

13,279 posts

200 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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I don't think you can really tell much from that video with regards to Stewart steering up the track, speeding up or anything else, he has slowed down from previous lap imho, but we don't really get a chance to see if he was moving up the track or not.

I don't believe for a second that Stewart would intentionally aim for another driver. He, along with pretty much every other stock/sprint driver has had his moments, but that incident was not enough to get him riled, it was just a typical clash for sprint cars and is all part of the deal.

Stewart is well aware how dangerous sprint cars are, he broke his leg rather badly in an accident last year from which he is still recovering.

CharlesAL

532 posts

124 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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Jesus, what a completely stupid thing to do.

Also find it ridiculous the amount of people calling for Stewart to be banned for life or thrown in jail, based on that one video. People who know sod all about it. There's no way a sprint car is the same to drive as an average road car.

Deliberately wrecking another driver and deliberately running a driver over are very different things.

The kid was lucky not to get hit by the driver in front of Stewart by the look of it.

Edited by CharlesAL on Sunday 10th August 16:01


Edited by CharlesAL on Sunday 10th August 16:03

CardShark

4,193 posts

179 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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entropy said:
However witnesses in a YT video description say Stewart swerved into Ward http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qILmIyG6qno
A male voice can be heard saying "Tony Stewart just hit that guy", no one can be heard saying that Stewart swerved into him - the two are completely different as one states a fact (that Stewart hit the other driver) and the other implies that Stewart intentionally directed his car towards Ward. Even if Stewart did swerve towards Ward it still doesn't mean that it was a malicious act; perhaps Stewart turned the car towards Ward without realising he was there, for example.

As it is, and in my opinion only, there's nothing to suggest - and certainly nothing to prove - in that video that Stewart intentionally aimed for Ward with the intent to either buzz him or worse. The sad thing is that not only has a life been lost but regardless as to whatever facts emerge opinion will always be divided as to what really happened.

37chevy

3,280 posts

156 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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I think the real evidence will come from Tonys on board camera ( if indeed he was carrying one, although from comments elsewhere I am lead to believe he was), we shall see. Either way let's just remember there has been a tragic loss of life with one driver and the other could potentially lose his livelihood aswell. A shockingly sad day for all involved and my thoughts are with ALL involved in the incident and their families

Great Dane

2,723 posts

166 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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Could thing be that he was try to cover him in dirt as eyewitnesses said TS was revving up the car and it just went horribly wrong. TS has a bit of a temper problem I gather

rubystone

11,252 posts

259 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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GrahamG said:
Lots of experts it seems!

Dimly lit track, black race suit, black helmet, Stewart following another car around that jinks to the left to avoid the guy on the track, and Stewart is behind - the witness saying it was a deliberate act was a friend of the deceased, the Police, per last report, say no charges are currently being filed.
Exactly.

37chevy

3,280 posts

156 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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rubystone said:
Exactly.
Mmm report also says 'at the moment', that doesn't mean charges won't be bought if evidence arrives In the future, and yes it was night, but it had to be good enough to race in so visibility had to be ok

rubystone

11,252 posts

259 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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37chevy said:
Mmm report also says 'at the moment', that doesn't mean charges won't be bought if evidence arrives In the future, and yes it was night, but it had to be good enough to race in so visibility had to be ok
I guess what I mean is that there is balance here....let's try to maintain that.

Pkh72

1,517 posts

186 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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Escy said:
I think he hit him on purpose
Yeah, of course he did rolleyes

37chevy

3,280 posts

156 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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rubystone said:
I guess what I mean is that there is balance here....let's try to maintain that.
Yup I completely agree, like I've staid before, let's try to remember someone has lost their life here and another driver could lose his livelihood....let the police co their work etc,

I haven't driven sprint cars but I have raced at night in similar conditions and your eyes do Adjust to the darkness....I hope for Tonys sake it was a mistake and not a deliberate act to scare/intimidate Ward that went terribly wrong...I don't not believe for one second that he intentionally tried to hit him, but there is the possibility that he tried to cover him in dirt, and the car got away from him...anyway like I said mere speculation, let the police do their work Nd sort out fact from fiction

DiscoColin

3,328 posts

214 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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If there is not a charge of vehicular manslaughter then I am sure that there will be a civil suit from the family. There is no way that this will be the end of it, and such is the nature of American sport: if anything looks like it is going to turn into a media storm there is a strong chance that his sponsors will drop him too. It may not even matter that the guy was being a weapons grade f***wit running across the track...

norwichsam

38 posts

206 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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As somebody else stated, long & short of it yellow flags mean slow down and be prepare to stop. Therefore he shouldn't have been travelling at speed past Kevin Ward, Having said that I'm an armchair fan only with no track or racing experience and it's easy to say these things without the adrenaline & speed. How many times has anybody suffered from road rage and on looking back thought 'what the hell did I do that for, what did that actually achieve'.

woof

8,456 posts

277 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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From the stands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qILmIyG6qno (viewer discretion)

From the limited view - it looks like Stewart threw the car sidewards to spook the Kevin Ward - and hit him, one can only assume accidentally.


Crafty_

13,279 posts

200 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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woof said:
From the stands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qILmIyG6qno (viewer discretion)

From the limited view - it looks like Stewart threw the car sidewards to spook the Kevin Ward - and hit him, one can only assume accidentally.
Thats the same video as in the OP.

Stewarts's car is not sideways.

woof

8,456 posts

277 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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Crafty_ said:
woof said:
From the stands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qILmIyG6qno (viewer discretion)

From the limited view - it looks like Stewart threw the car sidewards to spook the Kevin Ward - and hit him, one can only assume accidentally.
Thats the same video as in the OP.

Stewarts's car is not sideways.
It's not how I see it - sounds like he gets on the gas to flick it sideways but perhaps it was in an attempt to avoid him/.Tragic.

CardShark

4,193 posts

179 months

Sunday 10th August 2014
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These cars are steered as much by the throttle, if not more so, than by using the actual steering wheel. I can't quite tell exactly when he's on the throttle (might be just after the collision?) however it's quite possible that Stewart used the throttle to try to turn the car away from Ward, maybe it was just too late.