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woof said:
I'm an ex Caterham racer - and we'll there is a lot of contact in Caterhams to a point.
Deliberately ramming someone before the flag or after should be a ban - I think it's that straight forward.
I had someone deliberately drive into me in the BRSCC Porsches last year - effectively it's assault with a deadly weapon.
I 100% agree with you. Not to mention that once the track is neutralised after a chequered flag, you no longer have any certainty what might be around the next bend. Marshals at the track side clapping, a driver doing doughnuts, stopping to pick up a part that's fallen off, etc. The first corner at Knockhill is totally blind too.Deliberately ramming someone before the flag or after should be a ban - I think it's that straight forward.
I had someone deliberately drive into me in the BRSCC Porsches last year - effectively it's assault with a deadly weapon.
It was very, VERY stupid.
His reply to my post was basically along the lines of "i don't know you, so i don't care about your opinion", which i find amusing given the high profile nature of the series.
RacerMike said:
It's easy to comment without knowing the full picture. I know Reece (sort of) through my Caterham team, and he's a thoroughly nice character and a very good driver. From his interview post race, and from what he's posted in response to someone on FB, it would seem he realised as soon as he hit Fergus that it was a really stupid thing to do. Red Mist is a pretty powerful catalyst even for a usually mild mannered Brummy!
I believe there was a lot more to it that wasn't shown on TV prior to the incident post Finish Line, and I guess when someone has consistently rammed you for 3 or 4 laps prior in an attempt to get past, you can see how it's going to wind someone up.
Ultimately, the post race result (DQ and points for both Reese and Fergus) would seem to indicate that they were both considered to be to blame for the incident. In my experience, to get DQ'd requires pretty solid evidence that the driver was driving in a manner that corresponds with a specific point in the Blue Book. Both were excluded under C1.1.5 "Making another competitor lose control or otherwise causing an avoidable incident" which would imply that Fergus' actions were considered to be as serious as Reece's.
Did Reece, get points on his race license as well?I believe there was a lot more to it that wasn't shown on TV prior to the incident post Finish Line, and I guess when someone has consistently rammed you for 3 or 4 laps prior in an attempt to get past, you can see how it's going to wind someone up.
Ultimately, the post race result (DQ and points for both Reese and Fergus) would seem to indicate that they were both considered to be to blame for the incident. In my experience, to get DQ'd requires pretty solid evidence that the driver was driving in a manner that corresponds with a specific point in the Blue Book. Both were excluded under C1.1.5 "Making another competitor lose control or otherwise causing an avoidable incident" which would imply that Fergus' actions were considered to be as serious as Reece's.
Edited by RacerMike on Tuesday 26th August 10:05
Edited by RacerMike on Tuesday 26th August 10:11
I made a comment about the ginetta 'racers' some time ago re the driving standards. I also had some first hand experience of being on track with them at oulton whilat I was on a trackday and they were doing unofficial testing as I was later informed. Too many spoilt brats with the ability to smash their cars up because they are not having to pay for the repairs.
The knockhill incident serves merely to illustrate my point.
I'll say it again....matter of time before someone gets very seriously hurt...or worse sadly.
The knockhill incident serves merely to illustrate my point.
I'll say it again....matter of time before someone gets very seriously hurt...or worse sadly.
Great days racing and nice to get some decent weather at Knockhill this year.
Missed most the incidents as I was generally at the opposite side of the track, but did catch some very close racing. Saw Turkington getting pushed off during race 1 - click for the FB link and then click next to follow a few shots in sequence: https://www.facebook.com/FlatOutPhoto/photos/a.848... Not sure who touched who first though - still to watch the recorded races on TV.
No mention of track limits so far, despite some aggressive cutting at the chicane!
Missed most the incidents as I was generally at the opposite side of the track, but did catch some very close racing. Saw Turkington getting pushed off during race 1 - click for the FB link and then click next to follow a few shots in sequence: https://www.facebook.com/FlatOutPhoto/photos/a.848... Not sure who touched who first though - still to watch the recorded races on TV.
No mention of track limits so far, despite some aggressive cutting at the chicane!
JohnS said:
Great days racing and nice to get some decent weather at Knockhill this year.
Missed most the incidents as I was generally at the opposite side of the track, but did catch some very close racing. Saw Turkington getting pushed off during race 1 - click for the FB link and then click next to follow a few shots in sequence: https://www.facebook.com/FlatOutPhoto/photos/a.848... Not sure who touched who first though - still to watch the recorded races on TV.
No mention of track limits so far, despite some aggressive cutting at the chicane!
cracking photo Missed most the incidents as I was generally at the opposite side of the track, but did catch some very close racing. Saw Turkington getting pushed off during race 1 - click for the FB link and then click next to follow a few shots in sequence: https://www.facebook.com/FlatOutPhoto/photos/a.848... Not sure who touched who first though - still to watch the recorded races on TV.
No mention of track limits so far, despite some aggressive cutting at the chicane!
Of course no track limit problems - Knockhill isn't precious about it's grass
RacerMike said:
woof said:
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Of course no track limit problems - Knockhill isn't precious about it's grass
The MSA is precious about use of more than just kerbs though. Annoyingly, it seems to be one rule for the BTCC and another for everyone else....Of course no track limit problems - Knockhill isn't precious about it's grass
If they enforced the rules like they did to us at Pembrey this year, it would make for very dull viewing. Almost as dull as it was racing...
tux said:
Walkinshaw & Somerfield shouldn't be racing again.
Both should be banned for the rest of season ,at least, and it should be brought out to a wider audience ,that this is what will happen . Obviously both have anger issues , if this was after a race think of the dangers during a race if it got this heated .
dapearson said:
I was at a briefing a few years ago at Knockhill. Someone asked whether we'd be observing the proper track limits, or the BTCC ones. The clerk had a slight smile about that. He then suggested that the BTCC rules were there for the sake of TV.
If they enforced the rules like they did to us at Pembrey this year, it would make for very dull viewing. Almost as dull as it was racing...
Kind of undermines all the reasoning for having the rule there in the first place thought doesn't it?!If they enforced the rules like they did to us at Pembrey this year, it would make for very dull viewing. Almost as dull as it was racing...
woof said:
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Of course no track limit problems - Knockhill isn't precious about it's grass
Thanks - lots more on FB, including most of the grid girls: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.84898440...Of course no track limit problems - Knockhill isn't precious about it's grass
dapearson said:
If they enforced the rules like they did to us at Pembrey this year, it would make for very dull viewing. Almost as dull as it was racing...
Dull racing at Pembrey? I love Pembrey - bumpy and lots of corners linked together, but an ability to overtake in a number of places if you're clever about it. Anyway, why would enforcing the track limits make for duller racing? Slower lap times, but it's the same for everyone.
Jez
PS I still think the new rule is wrong as the kerbs are not well defined in a number of places, and if they'd really wanted to change things they should be painting a new white line on the outside of the kerb and then saying nobody may cross the white line with any wheels, but that would rule out bringing any international series back to the UK (F1, DTM etc. even before you get to bikes).
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