RE: Motorsport on Monday: 15/9/14
Discussion
Amateurish said:
They only manage 25 miles on a charge (at an average speed of 60mph)! I reckon an i3 could manage that.
I've been driving one all weekend. They can. About 60 miles at 70mph. Less obviously if you are accelerating/braking, accelerating/braking. I did 110 miles yesterday using the range extender and about £3 of fuel getting home still with 50% charge in the 'tank,' so to speak.Agent Orange said:
PhantomPH said:
I assume you were pointing that out as a "don't believe everything you hear/read" comment. According to Wiki, the stat on Heidfeld is right, tho.
Only if you disregard his class win in this years Le Mans 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_24_Hours_of_Le_M...
"The LMP1-L category was won by the No. 12 Rebellion Racing Rebellion-Toyota of Nick Heidfeld, Mathias Beche, and Nicolas Prost"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Petit_Le_Mans
Amateurish said:
MissChief said:
Amateurish said:
Seems odd that an out-of-the-box Tesla S P85 would probably be faster than a "Formula E". Is 200 bhp and 28kwh the best they could do? It's not that much better than an i3!
When you're going full throttle all the time I'd be surprised if the i3 would have managed a quarter of that distance?Quick research shows that a lap time around Donnington (circuit not suited to it as only a couple of heavy regenerative braking points, also pre-season testing before development and setup completed) was a 1:35.4. That actually is comparable with lower forumla ford classes, but to put into perspective is the same as a 458 Challenge car, and 2 seconds quicker than a WTCC car! Alternative perspective - 25 seconds off Prost's laprecord, but 20 seconds faster than a Caterham Academy!
This is not fast for a single seat race car - but it's still fast, and quicker than most road cars short of a very very well sorted 991/997 GT3 or hypercar. There is not a single E-only device on the planet that could have covered that distance more quickly. It's still an incredibly expensive sub 900kg open wheeled bewinged racecar for gawd's sake!
They will get quicker through competition, development and investment - and then hopefully move away from horrible looking circuits that need to engineer in lots of braking zones and short straights. I'm standing by 7/10 for first attempt - but if you're judging it by F1/GP2/F3 standards (although they're actually not far off F4 FWIW!) you're missing the point.
cidered77 said:
We should be very clear though that in no way whatsoever at all ever could a Telsa get close to that pace! Ever ever ever.
Quick research shows that a lap time around Donnington (circuit not suited to it as only a couple of heavy regenerative braking points, also pre-season testing before development and setup completed) was a 1:35.4. That actually is comparable with lower forumla ford classes, but to put into perspective is the same as a 458 Challenge car, and 2 seconds quicker than a WTCC car! Alternative perspective - 25 seconds off Prost's laprecord, but 20 seconds faster than a Caterham Academy!
This is not fast for a single seat race car - but it's still fast, and quicker than most road cars short of a very very well sorted 991/997 GT3 or hypercar. There is not a single E-only device on the planet that could have covered that distance more quickly. It's still an incredibly expensive sub 900kg open wheeled bewinged racecar for gawd's sake!
They will get quicker through competition, development and investment - and then hopefully move away from horrible looking circuits that need to engineer in lots of braking zones and short straights. I'm standing by 7/10 for first attempt - but if you're judging it by F1/GP2/F3 standards (although they're actually not far off F4 FWIW!) you're missing the point.
OK fair enough. If that was the full GP circuit then that is very fast, and much quicker than a Tesla could lap the circuit. Point taken. Quick research shows that a lap time around Donnington (circuit not suited to it as only a couple of heavy regenerative braking points, also pre-season testing before development and setup completed) was a 1:35.4. That actually is comparable with lower forumla ford classes, but to put into perspective is the same as a 458 Challenge car, and 2 seconds quicker than a WTCC car! Alternative perspective - 25 seconds off Prost's laprecord, but 20 seconds faster than a Caterham Academy!
This is not fast for a single seat race car - but it's still fast, and quicker than most road cars short of a very very well sorted 991/997 GT3 or hypercar. There is not a single E-only device on the planet that could have covered that distance more quickly. It's still an incredibly expensive sub 900kg open wheeled bewinged racecar for gawd's sake!
They will get quicker through competition, development and investment - and then hopefully move away from horrible looking circuits that need to engineer in lots of braking zones and short straights. I'm standing by 7/10 for first attempt - but if you're judging it by F1/GP2/F3 standards (although they're actually not far off F4 FWIW!) you're missing the point.
Amateurish said:
cidered77 said:
We should be very clear though that in no way whatsoever at all ever could a Telsa get close to that pace! Ever ever ever.
Quick research shows that a lap time around Donnington (circuit not suited to it as only a couple of heavy regenerative braking points, also pre-season testing before development and setup completed) was a 1:35.4. That actually is comparable with lower forumla ford classes, but to put into perspective is the same as a 458 Challenge car, and 2 seconds quicker than a WTCC car! Alternative perspective - 25 seconds off Prost's laprecord, but 20 seconds faster than a Caterham Academy!
This is not fast for a single seat race car - but it's still fast, and quicker than most road cars short of a very very well sorted 991/997 GT3 or hypercar. There is not a single E-only device on the planet that could have covered that distance more quickly. It's still an incredibly expensive sub 900kg open wheeled bewinged racecar for gawd's sake!
They will get quicker through competition, development and investment - and then hopefully move away from horrible looking circuits that need to engineer in lots of braking zones and short straights. I'm standing by 7/10 for first attempt - but if you're judging it by F1/GP2/F3 standards (although they're actually not far off F4 FWIW!) you're missing the point.
OK fair enough. If that was the full GP circuit then that is very fast, and much quicker than a Tesla could lap the circuit. Point taken. Quick research shows that a lap time around Donnington (circuit not suited to it as only a couple of heavy regenerative braking points, also pre-season testing before development and setup completed) was a 1:35.4. That actually is comparable with lower forumla ford classes, but to put into perspective is the same as a 458 Challenge car, and 2 seconds quicker than a WTCC car! Alternative perspective - 25 seconds off Prost's laprecord, but 20 seconds faster than a Caterham Academy!
This is not fast for a single seat race car - but it's still fast, and quicker than most road cars short of a very very well sorted 991/997 GT3 or hypercar. There is not a single E-only device on the planet that could have covered that distance more quickly. It's still an incredibly expensive sub 900kg open wheeled bewinged racecar for gawd's sake!
They will get quicker through competition, development and investment - and then hopefully move away from horrible looking circuits that need to engineer in lots of braking zones and short straights. I'm standing by 7/10 for first attempt - but if you're judging it by F1/GP2/F3 standards (although they're actually not far off F4 FWIW!) you're missing the point.
cidered77 said:
Amateurish said:
cidered77 said:
We should be very clear though that in no way whatsoever at all ever could a Telsa get close to that pace! Ever ever ever.
Quick research shows that a lap time around Donnington (circuit not suited to it as only a couple of heavy regenerative braking points, also pre-season testing before development and setup completed) was a 1:35.4. That actually is comparable with lower forumla ford classes, but to put into perspective is the same as a 458 Challenge car, and 2 seconds quicker than a WTCC car! Alternative perspective - 25 seconds off Prost's laprecord, but 20 seconds faster than a Caterham Academy!
This is not fast for a single seat race car - but it's still fast, and quicker than most road cars short of a very very well sorted 991/997 GT3 or hypercar. There is not a single E-only device on the planet that could have covered that distance more quickly. It's still an incredibly expensive sub 900kg open wheeled bewinged racecar for gawd's sake!
They will get quicker through competition, development and investment - and then hopefully move away from horrible looking circuits that need to engineer in lots of braking zones and short straights. I'm standing by 7/10 for first attempt - but if you're judging it by F1/GP2/F3 standards (although they're actually not far off F4 FWIW!) you're missing the point.
OK fair enough. If that was the full GP circuit then that is very fast, and much quicker than a Tesla could lap the circuit. Point taken. Quick research shows that a lap time around Donnington (circuit not suited to it as only a couple of heavy regenerative braking points, also pre-season testing before development and setup completed) was a 1:35.4. That actually is comparable with lower forumla ford classes, but to put into perspective is the same as a 458 Challenge car, and 2 seconds quicker than a WTCC car! Alternative perspective - 25 seconds off Prost's laprecord, but 20 seconds faster than a Caterham Academy!
This is not fast for a single seat race car - but it's still fast, and quicker than most road cars short of a very very well sorted 991/997 GT3 or hypercar. There is not a single E-only device on the planet that could have covered that distance more quickly. It's still an incredibly expensive sub 900kg open wheeled bewinged racecar for gawd's sake!
They will get quicker through competition, development and investment - and then hopefully move away from horrible looking circuits that need to engineer in lots of braking zones and short straights. I'm standing by 7/10 for first attempt - but if you're judging it by F1/GP2/F3 standards (although they're actually not far off F4 FWIW!) you're missing the point.
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VladD said:
I think that's a bit harsh. If you pause the video at 2 seconds you can see that Prost has to turn his head a fair way to check his mirror. At 4 seconds he starts to turn left, I beleive to defend the corner, not realising that Heidfeld is going for the pass (there's no head turn to check the left hand mirror). He almost immediately catches a glimps of Heidfeld's car and try's to steer away, but too late. It's definitely Prost's mistake, but I think he was caught by surprise and a bit clumsy rather than overly aggressive. In the picture below you can see that he's already trying to steer away from contact.
I don't agree, he looked right and realised that Nick wasn't there and I can only assume lurched left knowing he must be going that way if not there, he might have tried to correct once it was too late but the move was very aggressive, he wasn't going that way to cover the corner it was a wild and very sudden move.Edited by VladD on Monday 15th September 15:54
mikey P 500 said:
Has anyone got any links to where I could watch the race or some footage of it online?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCK7i3-o_bY227k views now- huge for a motorsport event vs. *anything* else in motorsport you will ever find online. 2nd race figures once novelty has worn off I'll be watching with interest...
cidered77 said:
We should be very clear though that in no way whatsoever at all ever could a Telsa get close to that pace! Ever ever ever.
Quick research shows that a lap time around Donnington (circuit not suited to it as only a couple of heavy regenerative braking points, also pre-season testing before development and setup completed) was a 1:35.4. That actually is comparable with lower forumla ford classes, but to put into perspective is the same as a 458 Challenge car, and 2 seconds quicker than a WTCC car! Alternative perspective - 25 seconds off Prost's laprecord, but 20 seconds faster than a Caterham Academy!
This is not fast for a single seat race car - but it's still fast, and quicker than most road cars short of a very very well sorted 991/997 GT3 or hypercar. There is not a single E-only device on the planet that could have covered that distance more quickly. It's still an incredibly expensive sub 900kg open wheeled bewinged racecar for gawd's sake!
They will get quicker through competition, development and investment - and then hopefully move away from horrible looking circuits that need to engineer in lots of braking zones and short straights. I'm standing by 7/10 for first attempt - but if you're judging it by F1/GP2/F3 standards (although they're actually not far off F4 FWIW!) you're missing the point.
Thank you. Someone who understands motorsport!Quick research shows that a lap time around Donnington (circuit not suited to it as only a couple of heavy regenerative braking points, also pre-season testing before development and setup completed) was a 1:35.4. That actually is comparable with lower forumla ford classes, but to put into perspective is the same as a 458 Challenge car, and 2 seconds quicker than a WTCC car! Alternative perspective - 25 seconds off Prost's laprecord, but 20 seconds faster than a Caterham Academy!
This is not fast for a single seat race car - but it's still fast, and quicker than most road cars short of a very very well sorted 991/997 GT3 or hypercar. There is not a single E-only device on the planet that could have covered that distance more quickly. It's still an incredibly expensive sub 900kg open wheeled bewinged racecar for gawd's sake!
They will get quicker through competition, development and investment - and then hopefully move away from horrible looking circuits that need to engineer in lots of braking zones and short straights. I'm standing by 7/10 for first attempt - but if you're judging it by F1/GP2/F3 standards (although they're actually not far off F4 FWIW!) you're missing the point.
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