Jolyon Palmer GP2 champion. 2014.
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Crafty_ said:
Times mean nothing in testing, thats 4 seconds off pole time. The car odesn't even have to be legal according to the regs.
There's no point strapping all that telemetry stuff on the car if it isn't 'legal'. Let's not forget that when the cars took to the track yesterday, Palmer was the only driver with zero previous F1 experience. Having been limited to only 37 laps by a technical problem, looks like he did a respectable job, and the team were impressed apparently. Oh, and he didn't put it in the wall, unlike a certain high-profile 17yr-old .....problem is test driver is not the way to go, most test/reserve drivers seem stuck in the role as the new talent gets drives based on running away with a championship in that year.
probably better waiting a year and doing something else or defending title than trying to get in via the test role
probably better waiting a year and doing something else or defending title than trying to get in via the test role
Jeanpierre said:
Crafty_ said:
Times mean nothing in testing, thats 4 seconds off pole time. The car odesn't even have to be legal according to the regs.
There's no point strapping all that telemetry stuff on the car if it isn't 'legal'. Let's not forget that when the cars took to the track yesterday, Palmer was the only driver with zero previous F1 experience. Having been limited to only 37 laps by a technical problem, looks like he did a respectable job, and the team were impressed apparently. Oh, and he didn't put it in the wall, unlike a certain high-profile 17yr-old .........and today Spike Goddard has gone within a few tenths of Palmer's time. Who? You may be forgiven for asking that, given that Spike has very little to commend him other than his dad's wallet. He's spent the last few seasons trailing around various F3 Championships, scoring no wins, no podiums; in fact very few points at all.
How did he get into an F1 car? Oh wait, I think I gave the answer to that earlier.......
Jeanpierre said:
There's no point strapping all that telemetry stuff on the car if it isn't 'legal'. Let's not forget that when the cars took to the track yesterday, Palmer was the only driver with zero previous F1 experience. Having been limited to only 37 laps by a technical problem, looks like he did a respectable job, and the team were impressed apparently. Oh, and he didn't put it in the wall, unlike a certain high-profile 17yr-old .....
There is plenty of point to running an illegal car, McLaren are doing just that with extra slots in the bodywork for cooling.Crafty_ said:
Jeanpierre said:
There's no point strapping all that telemetry stuff on the car if it isn't 'legal'. Let's not forget that when the cars took to the track yesterday, Palmer was the only driver with zero previous F1 experience. Having been limited to only 37 laps by a technical problem, looks like he did a respectable job, and the team were impressed apparently. Oh, and he didn't put it in the wall, unlike a certain high-profile 17yr-old .....
There is plenty of point to running an illegal car, McLaren are doing just that with extra slots in the bodywork for cooling.I think the whole point was to test with a view to next year's car while evaluating the driver's approach, feedback, etc., rather than running an illegal car and going for lap times?
Jeanpierre said:
What, you mean like Red Bull do regularly?
I think the whole point was to test with a view to next year's car while evaluating the driver's approach, feedback, etc., rather than running an illegal car and going for lap times?
Someone posted a comparison of Palmer's lap time with Rosbergs, what I'm saying is looking at lap times from tests is pointless because there are many variables that can affect them.I think the whole point was to test with a view to next year's car while evaluating the driver's approach, feedback, etc., rather than running an illegal car and going for lap times?
Palmer probably paid a stack of cash to run the test, the only way he's going to get a FI seat any time soon is bring a large chunk of cash like Perez does
REALIST123 said:
But the certain high profile 17yr old did have a front suspension failure......
....and today Spike Goddard has gone within a few tenths of Palmer's time. Who? You may be forgiven for asking that, given that Spike has very little to commend him other than his dad's wallet. He's spent the last few seasons trailing around various F3 Championships, scoring no wins, no podiums; in fact very few points at all.
How did he get into an F1 car? Oh wait, I think I gave the answer to that earlier.......
Slightly shocked to hear that Spike Goddard has made it to a F1 test. After seeing him in F3 he looked competent but certainly not impressive enough to progress to F1....and today Spike Goddard has gone within a few tenths of Palmer's time. Who? You may be forgiven for asking that, given that Spike has very little to commend him other than his dad's wallet. He's spent the last few seasons trailing around various F3 Championships, scoring no wins, no podiums; in fact very few points at all.
How did he get into an F1 car? Oh wait, I think I gave the answer to that earlier.......
graememac said:
REALIST123 said:
But the certain high profile 17yr old did have a front suspension failure......
....and today Spike Goddard has gone within a few tenths of Palmer's time. Who? You may be forgiven for asking that, given that Spike has very little to commend him other than his dad's wallet. He's spent the last few seasons trailing around various F3 Championships, scoring no wins, no podiums; in fact very few points at all.
How did he get into an F1 car? Oh wait, I think I gave the answer to that earlier.......
Slightly shocked to hear that Spike Goddard has made it to a F1 test. After seeing him in F3 he looked competent but certainly not impressive enough to progress to F1....and today Spike Goddard has gone within a few tenths of Palmer's time. Who? You may be forgiven for asking that, given that Spike has very little to commend him other than his dad's wallet. He's spent the last few seasons trailing around various F3 Championships, scoring no wins, no podiums; in fact very few points at all.
How did he get into an F1 car? Oh wait, I think I gave the answer to that earlier.......
From what I've heard he has just bought the test yesterday, as have others there. They're not really being evaluated, just being allowed to drive in exchange for funding.
Crafty_ said:
Someone posted a comparison of Palmer's lap time with Rosbergs, what I'm saying is looking at lap times from tests is pointless because there are many variables that can affect them.
Palmer probably paid a stack of cash to run the test, the only way he's going to get a FI seat any time soon is bring a large chunk of cash like Perez does
I know testing times are relatively meaningless because of all the variables. The way I heard it Force India approached Palmer about testing, as had Caterham to offer him a race seat for Abu Dhabi. I should imagine the latter would have involved a stack of cash changing hands, and Palmer took the view he would rather see out his GP2 career by helping his team take the teams title than risk his future in a car that may not have been up to it. (That said, Will Stevens did an impressive job, but it cost his backers £500k.)Palmer probably paid a stack of cash to run the test, the only way he's going to get a FI seat any time soon is bring a large chunk of cash like Perez does
The only time anyone (apart from Red Bull/Toro Rosso juniors) is going to get a seat anytime soon is with a sack of gold, therefore I hope Palmer gets a third driver role with Force India or ????. Fourth quickest on the day and seventh over-all with only 37 laps completed, first time out, is pretty impressive in my book. As for Spike 'straight to the scene of the accident without once getting near the podium in Euro F3' Goddard getting within half a second of Palmer, Goddard did more than twice the mileage Palmer managed
Jeanpierre said:
Crafty_ said:
Someone posted a comparison of Palmer's lap time with Rosbergs, what I'm saying is looking at lap times from tests is pointless because there are many variables that can affect them.
Palmer probably paid a stack of cash to run the test, the only way he's going to get a FI seat any time soon is bring a large chunk of cash like Perez does
I know testing times are relatively meaningless because of all the variables. The way I heard it Force India approached Palmer about testing, as had Caterham to offer him a race seat for Abu Dhabi. I should imagine the latter would have involved a stack of cash changing hands, and Palmer took the view he would rather see out his GP2 career by helping his team take the teams title than risk his future in a car that may not have been up to it. (That said, Will Stevens did an impressive job, but it cost his backers £500k.)Palmer probably paid a stack of cash to run the test, the only way he's going to get a FI seat any time soon is bring a large chunk of cash like Perez does
The only time anyone (apart from Red Bull/Toro Rosso juniors) is going to get a seat anytime soon is with a sack of gold, therefore I hope Palmer gets a third driver role with Force India or ????. Fourth quickest on the day and seventh over-all with only 37 laps completed, first time out, is pretty impressive in my book. As for Spike 'straight to the scene of the accident without once getting near the podium in Euro F3' Goddard getting within half a second of Palmer, Goddard did more than twice the mileage Palmer managed
It seems you think testing times mean nothing unless you want them to.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 27th November 19:21
REALIST123 said:
Goddard's mileage is hardly the point. For him to even do that time shows it's nothing special. Unless these cars really are not too difficult to drive? With his relative lack of experience he shouldn't be close to Palmer if he's that good.
It seems you think testing times mean nothing unless you want them to.
Different day, different conditions, twice the number of laps - what the hell!It seems you think testing times mean nothing unless you want them to.
Edited by REALIST123 on Thursday 27th November 19:21
Perhaps somebody should start a 'Let's diss Jolyon Palmer' page ......
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k1_6 said:
k1_6 said: I believe there's an opening for a development driver at Williams with Susie Wollf's promotion to official test driver, Frank is known to like having Brits in his cars so maybe a possibility?
If the seat were to be open to him then it would be well worth his backers reaching into their wallets for. I am not sure whether I can see it happening or not, but I can't imagine that there is a better path for him at this point?DiscoColin said:
fk1_6 said:
k1_6 said: I believe there's an opening for a development driver at Williams with Susie Wollf's promotion to official test driver, Frank is known to like having Brits in his cars so maybe a possibility?
If the seat were to be open to him then it would be well worth his backers reaching into their wallets for. I am not sure whether I can see it happening or not, but I can't imagine that there is a better path for him at this point?I'm an avid motorsports watcher both 4 wheels and 2, but apart from Le Mans I haven't seen a WEC race for ages not feel the desire to. Especially when they race at the same time as F1, F1 teams will not be watching them. Better to be at the F1 race weekends either as a Friday FP1 runner or around the paddock where you can keep in touch with those you need to keep in touch with.
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