Btcc 2015

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The Wookie

13,948 posts

228 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Henry Fiddleton said:
Not much to add other than a great weekend.

A shame Colin Turks. didn't get it altogether - expected more TBH.

Wookie - was a pleasure to meet you, good luck for next year. (Kam).
Good to meet you too and thank you! thumbup

Wish

1,267 posts

249 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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marshall100 said:
There's no love lost out there for Plato so it's not a huge surprise to see cars jumping out of the way to let the champion through.
Spot on ......

Rib

2,548 posts

189 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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not sure Id like to be thinking I won the champiosnhip because people made it easy for me, purely because they preffered me over the other guy...........

Janesy B

2,625 posts

186 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Wasn't like Shedden had gone into the weekend ahead on points, and wasn't nudged out of the way by Plato in race one, had race two ruined by someone hitting him which subsequently cocked up his grid position for race three - it was definitely just that race that won the championship. Here was me thinking it was a 30 race championship decided on points. Points that Plato lost because he tried to be clever by starting from the pits and it backfired on a couple of occasions.

Edited by Janesy B on Tuesday 13th October 21:41

Rib

2,548 posts

189 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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If he'd have taken those points then he probably wouldn't have gotten the amount of points he got later on in the day. Probably more due to seddon having more race finishes and arguably a better car.

I've seen sheddon do far more aggressive push to pass moves throughout the season than plato (yet plato has the reputation) end of the day it came down to that last race, and it was made easy for him, I'd hate that personally, but that's me.

VX Foxy

3,962 posts

243 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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The Wookie said:
I don't know of any skullduggery.
What about boost adjustment for the benefit of 'the show'?

Hooch747

64 posts

189 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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You can pretty much see in the post race coverage how Plato is viewed by the paddock. There is no doubt he had an easy passage through from the back, but he still drove superbly. As far as Smith goes, you have to conclude JP has a point, he really held him up in the 2nd race which prevented the chance to take any more places.

zeb

3,201 posts

218 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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Rib said:
not sure Id like to be thinking I won the champiosnhip because people made it easy for me, purely because they preffered me over the other guy...........
yep....truth hurts

marshall100

1,124 posts

201 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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Rib said:
not sure Id like to be thinking I won the champiosnhip because people made it easy for me, purely because they preffered me over the other guy...........
I'm not sure these people think like this, a win is a win regardless of how it comes about. Either were worthy champions, one just likes to play the panto villain the result of which is there for all to see.

You could dig too deep into the BTCC and probably find there's some backdoor shenanigans going on in terms of performance, but leave your brain at the gate and watch the show unfold, you probably won't be too disappointed.

I certainly like it, they just managed to not schedule any races over bank holiday/school holiday weekends which makes travelling from Cornwall to watch it with the kids a bit tricky.

acer12

961 posts

174 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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I notice the Plato hatters have not commented on how gracious Plato was bot the ehnd of the race / championship and since then when he could have had a very good moan.

I thought that he had a very clean year this year(and last year), by and large kept his nose clean with Andy Priaulx being the main dirty driver in 2015 which was a major disappointment for me.

Edited by acer12 on Wednesday 14th October 12:34

alsaautomotive

684 posts

200 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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shake n bake

2,221 posts

207 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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The Wookie said:
I wouldn't mistake preference of champion for deference. In my experience there's definitely more of a shortage of manners than there is a lack of balls in the TOCA field! smile
No champion preference for me as the series is so bent it's irrelavent but it's just so weak to just bend over and offer up your ass, The only driver to try and keep him behind it was Goff.

Hamish Finn

476 posts

108 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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alsaautomotive said:
Unbelievable!

So what Warren Scott said on camera on Sunday about the messages not being passed through to Aron Smith (via in-car radio), was, simply, bks?



MG CHRIS

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9,083 posts

167 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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btcc123

1,243 posts

147 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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Hamish Finn said:
alsaautomotive said:
Unbelievable!

So what Warren Scott said on camera on Sunday about the messages not being passed through to Aron Smith (via in-car radio), was, simply, bks?
I agree with you Warren Scott said live on TV that they were going to give Aron Smith a message in race 1 to let Plato and Turks past but the message never got to him.So either Warren Scott is a liar or the BMR statement is not true.The statement looks like it was written by Plato.

Plato saying live in TV that Aron Smith should be sacked was very unprofessional.

I think Plato is hurting inside that Shedden has two titles the same as him and Neal has one more.He thinks he is the big "I am" of the championship and should have won five drivers titles so for the length he has been in the championship and the number of wins and the titles he has won should have done a lot better.

For race 3 Shedden had his engine turned up to qualifying mode where it gives black smoke out of the exhaust so it was a case of Champion or engine blow up.Yes he was a bit lucky with a few cars going off the circuit and people letting him pass quite easily but that would have happened if Plato was coming from the back.

The championship is won over 30 races and as Shedden had the most points he deserved to be champion.


Edited by btcc123 on Wednesday 14th October 22:25


Edited by btcc123 on Wednesday 14th October 22:28

emicen

8,585 posts

218 months

Wednesday 14th October 2015
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btcc123 said:
For race 3 Shedden had his engine turned up to qualifying mode where it gives black smoke out of the exhaust so it was a case of Champion or engine blow up.
Its not a diesel. Just cause Tim Harvey hits out with it on commentary doesn't mean it's actually happening.

Janesy B

2,625 posts

186 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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Just to break up the bhing, here's some of my photos from Sunday. Missed the pitwalk because I was queuing all the way back on the M25.

IMG_3392 by Bryan Janes, on Flickr

IMG_3290 by Bryan Janes, on Flickr

IMG_2917 by Bryan Janes, on Flickr

IMG_2895 by Bryan Janes, on Flickr


NailedOn

3,114 posts

235 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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Thanks for posting JB.
Great photos.

btcc123

1,243 posts

147 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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emicen said:
btcc123 said:
For race 3 Shedden had his engine turned up to qualifying mode where it gives black smoke out of the exhaust so it was a case of Champion or engine blow up.
Its not a diesel. Just cause Tim Harvey hits out with it on commentary doesn't mean it's actually happening.
During qualifying it was mentioned about the black smoke and the Honda engine in qualifying mode.In race 2 and 3 there was no black smoke as the engine was in race mode.In race 3 Shedden did a great job for several reasons,the engine was turned up into Qualifying mode,no ballast in the car and the help of other drivers as they saw their preferred title contender come through the field.

If you are interested there is a buy one get one free offer at Specsavers.

emicen

8,585 posts

218 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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btcc123 said:
emicen said:
btcc123 said:
For race 3 Shedden had his engine turned up to qualifying mode where it gives black smoke out of the exhaust so it was a case of Champion or engine blow up.
Its not a diesel. Just cause Tim Harvey hits out with it on commentary doesn't mean it's actually happening.
During qualifying it was mentioned about the black smoke and the Honda engine in qualifying mode.In race 2 and 3 there was no black smoke as the engine was in race mode.In race 3 Shedden did a great job for several reasons,the engine was turned up into Qualifying mode,no ballast in the car and the help of other drivers as they saw their preferred title contender come through the field.

If you are interested there is a buy one get one free offer at Specsavers.
Petrol engines don't "smoke" under boost unless they have a problem.

The soot, not smoke, shows its running a slightly rich mix. If they "turned it up for qualifying mode" they would lean it out and it would put out less soot.

I'm sure Tim Harvey did spraff some bobbins during the qualifying coverage harking back to the days of the RS500s when they did have qualifying boost and race boost. The world has moved on, boost levels are set by TOCA for the season. Unless of course you're suggesting, in a magnanimous show of sportsmanship, Honda only run their maximum allowed boost in qualifying then hobble their car for the races just to make things interesting. Doubt it somehow.