Btcc 2015

[rubystone]

Cyder said:

I believe there was a fair amount of technical support on the ERS/KERS or whatever it's called this week.

That's supplied by Renault.

[Munter]

rubystone said:

That's supplied by Renault.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault%E2%80%93Nissan_Alliance

[Cyder]

rubystone said:

Cyder said:

I believe there was a fair amount of technical support on the ERS/KERS or whatever it's called this week.

That's supplied by Renault.

The main system might be, but I'm not sure about the architecture, batteries, cooling systems and packaging layout. And I'm sure the RBR engineers wouldn't be visiting Nissan for tea and coffee meetings and to discuss the weather.

[ZX10R NIN]

MG CHRIS said:

Liking most of it infact, more ballast is a good thing as it wasn't doing much this year and the 2nd race start positions from fastest laps in race 1.

It's a shame they didn't have a rule saying the cars had to be saloons or 4 door coupes as interesting as BTCC was this year if V8 Supercars was on Motors Tv I'd turn over & watch that, rather than seeing Civics & A class Hatches etc (The Could Use A CLA & Civic Type R Saloon) I also think they should lose the Halfords wheel arches & look more like the road cars.

[MG CHRIS]

ZX10R NIN said:

MG CHRIS said:

Liking most of it infact, more ballast is a good thing as it wasn't doing much this year and the 2nd race start positions from fastest laps in race 1.

It's a shame they didn't have a rule saying the cars had to be saloons or 4 door coupes as interesting as BTCC was this year if V8 Supercars was on Motors Tv I'd turn over & watch that, rather than seeing Civics & A class Hatches etc (The Could Use A CLA & Civic Type R Saloon) I also think they should lose the Halfords wheel arches & look more like the road cars.

Yes but the problem with the car market its full with focus shapped cars so that's where the teams are going to use, also a like to see variety of different shapes not all 4 door boxes. People moaned when cars looked to standard ie the mg at media day in 2012 for example.

The problem I have with the v8 supercars is that paint all the car white take off all the badges etc and they all look very similar where as in the btcc you would be able to tell the different cars apart. This year we had 4 door saloons like the Passat /2 door hatch like the bmw, 4 door hatch like the mg and the estate of the civic touring only thing that is not allowed is coupe.

[ZX10R NIN]

MG CHRIS said:

ZX10R NIN said:

MG CHRIS said:

Liking most of it infact, more ballast is a good thing as it wasn't doing much this year and the 2nd race start positions from fastest laps in race 1.

It's a shame they didn't have a rule saying the cars had to be saloons or 4 door coupes as interesting as BTCC was this year if V8 Supercars was on Motors Tv I'd turn over & watch that, rather than seeing Civics & A class Hatches etc (The Could Use A CLA & Civic Type R Saloon) I also think they should lose the Halfords wheel arches & look more like the road cars.

Yes but the problem with the car market its full with focus shapped cars so that's where the teams are going to use, also a like to see variety of different shapes not all 4 door boxes. People moaned when cars looked to standard ie the mg at media day in 2012 for example.

The problem I have with the v8 supercars is that paint all the car white take off all the badges etc and they all look very similar where as in the btcc you would be able to tell the different cars apart. This year we had 4 door saloons like the Passat /2 door hatch like the bmw, 4 door hatch like the mg and the estate of the civic touring only thing that is not allowed is coupe.

okay so not all saloons but lose the comedy arches

[ZX10R NIN]

ZX10R NIN said:

MG CHRIS said:

ZX10R NIN said:

MG CHRIS said:

Liking most of it infact, more ballast is a good thing as it wasn't doing much this year and the 2nd race start positions from fastest laps in race 1.

It's a shame they didn't have a rule saying the cars had to be saloons or 4 door coupes as interesting as BTCC was this year if V8 Supercars was on Motors Tv I'd turn over & watch that, rather than seeing Civics & A class Hatches etc (The Could Use A CLA & Civic Type R Saloon) I also think they should lose the Halfords wheel arches & look more like the road cars.

Yes but the problem with the car market its full with focus shapped cars so that's where the teams are going to use, also a like to see variety of different shapes not all 4 door boxes. People moaned when cars looked to standard ie the mg at media day in 2012 for example.

The problem I have with the v8 supercars is that paint all the car white take off all the badges etc and they all look very similar where as in the btcc you would be able to tell the different cars apart. This year we had 4 door saloons like the Passat /2 door hatch like the bmw, 4 door hatch like the mg and the estate of the civic touring only thing that is not allowed is coupe.

okay so not all saloons but lose the comedy arches

Most cars can comfortably fit 19's & 20's under their arches so for me there is no need for the arches "Race On Sunday Sell On Monday" rings true, less so when the cars don't represent what you go back to at the car park.

[MG CHRIS]

ZX10R NIN said:

ZX10R NIN said:

MG CHRIS said:

ZX10R NIN said:

MG CHRIS said:

Liking most of it infact, more ballast is a good thing as it wasn't doing much this year and the 2nd race start positions from fastest laps in race 1.

It's a shame they didn't have a rule saying the cars had to be saloons or 4 door coupes as interesting as BTCC was this year if V8 Supercars was on Motors Tv I'd turn over & watch that, rather than seeing Civics & A class Hatches etc (The Could Use A CLA & Civic Type R Saloon) I also think they should lose the Halfords wheel arches & look more like the road cars.

Yes but the problem with the car market its full with focus shapped cars so that's where the teams are going to use, also a like to see variety of different shapes not all 4 door boxes. People moaned when cars looked to standard ie the mg at media day in 2012 for example.

The problem I have with the v8 supercars is that paint all the car white take off all the badges etc and they all look very similar where as in the btcc you would be able to tell the different cars apart. This year we had 4 door saloons like the Passat /2 door hatch like the bmw, 4 door hatch like the mg and the estate of the civic touring only thing that is not allowed is coupe.

okay so not all saloons but lose the comedy arches

Most cars can comfortably fit 19's & 20's under their arches so for me there is no need for the arches "Race On Sunday Sell On Monday" rings true, less so when the cars don't represent what you go back to at the car park.

The arches on the smaller cars are to meet the minimum width, the bigger cars don't have as big an arch. The teams don't care for race on sunday sell on Monday as they are independent teams, mg don't sell much on the btcc programme and same from Honda how many civic tourers do you see on the road ive seen one.

The btcc has gone down this route to attract the smaller teams manufactures kill most things they enter as the cost goes mental teams pull out and we back to what it was like in 2000.

[ZX10R NIN]

MG CHRIS said:

ZX10R NIN said:

ZX10R NIN said:

MG CHRIS said:

ZX10R NIN said:

MG CHRIS said:

Liking most of it infact, more ballast is a good thing as it wasn't doing much this year and the 2nd race start positions from fastest laps in race 1.

It's a shame they didn't have a rule saying the cars had to be saloons or 4 door coupes as interesting as BTCC was this year if V8 Supercars was on Motors Tv I'd turn over & watch that, rather than seeing Civics & A class Hatches etc (The Could Use A CLA & Civic Type R Saloon) I also think they should lose the Halfords wheel arches & look more like the road cars.

Yes but the problem with the car market its full with focus shapped cars so that's where the teams are going to use, also a like to see variety of different shapes not all 4 door boxes. People moaned when cars looked to standard ie the mg at media day in 2012 for example.

The problem I have with the v8 supercars is that paint all the car white take off all the badges etc and they all look very similar where as in the btcc you would be able to tell the different cars apart. This year we had 4 door saloons like the Passat /2 door hatch like the bmw, 4 door hatch like the mg and the estate of the civic touring only thing that is not allowed is coupe.

okay so not all saloons but lose the comedy arches

Most cars can comfortably fit 19's & 20's under their arches so for me there is no need for the arches "Race On Sunday Sell On Monday" rings true, less so when the cars don't represent what you go back to at the car park.

The arches on the smaller cars are to meet the minimum width, the bigger cars don't have as big an arch. The teams don't care for race on sunday sell on Monday as they are independent teams, mg don't sell much on the btcc programme and same from Honda how many civic tourers do you see on the road ive seen one.

The btcc has gone down this route to attract the smaller teams manufactures kill most things they enter as the cost goes mental teams pull out and we back to what it was like in 2000.

Even more so for the independent teams the more it looks like the guy on the streets car the more likely he is to find out who they are if he wants mods it works on race bikes so why not Btcc?

Just a thought I haven't watched enough to say I'm fully versed but if the car doesn't meet the requirement (with the arches) why not pick a car from the range that does.

[rubystone]

Cyder said:

The main system might be, but I'm not sure about the architecture, batteries, cooling systems and packaging layout. And I'm sure the RBR engineers wouldn't be visiting Nissan for tea and coffee meetings and to discuss the weather.

It's marketing BS. They probably visit them to deliver stickers for that Vettel edition Lexus hybrid.

[rubystone]

Cyder said:

The main system might be, but I'm not sure about the architecture, batteries, cooling systems and packaging layout. And I'm sure the RBR engineers wouldn't be visiting Nissan for tea and coffee meetings and to discuss the weather.

It's marketing BS. They probably visit them to deliver stickers for that Vettel edition Lexus hybrid.

[rubystone]

Cyder said:

The main system might be, but I'm not sure about the architecture, batteries, cooling systems and packaging layout. And I'm sure the RBR engineers wouldn't be visiting Nissan for tea and coffee meetings and to discuss the weather.

It's marketing BS. They probably visit them to deliver stickers for that Vettel edition Lexus hybrid.

[Roo]

ZX10R NIN said:

Even more so for the independent teams the more it looks like the guy on the streets car the more likely he is to find out who they are if he wants mods it works on race bikes so why not Btcc?

Just a thought I haven't watched enough to say I'm fully versed but if the car doesn't meet the requirement (with the arches) why not pick a car from the range that does.

How many of the BTCC teams carry out/offer mods to road cars?

[ZX10R NIN]

Roo said:

ZX10R NIN said:

Even more so for the independent teams the more it looks like the guy on the streets car the more likely he is to find out who they are if he wants mods it works on race bikes so why not Btcc?

Just a thought I haven't watched enough to say I'm fully versed but if the car doesn't meet the requirement (with the arches) why not pick a car from the range that does.

How many of the BTCC teams carry out/offer mods to road cars?

If not why not loads of independent bike teams offer services from simple suspension set ups to full tunes

[MG CHRIS]

ZX10R NIN said:

Roo said:

ZX10R NIN said:

Even more so for the independent teams the more it looks like the guy on the streets car the more likely he is to find out who they are if he wants mods it works on race bikes so why not Btcc?

Just a thought I haven't watched enough to say I'm fully versed but if the car doesn't meet the requirement (with the arches) why not pick a car from the range that does.

How many of the BTCC teams carry out/offer mods to road cars?

If not why not loads of independent bike teams offer services from simple suspension set ups to full tunes

888 used to do a few special edition Vauxhall models when they were a works out fit with Vauxhall, amd tunning do a lot with vw and ford mods but they done that way before btcc. Ciceley racing merc a class is a merc commercial dealer with the trucks.
Dynamics/Honda well they have a big market for wheels that's there main earner thorny motorsport with the insignia did Vauxhall mods too but since sold the cars and are now no longer.

The rest just do it as a motorsport team or for fun lea wood for example.

[MG CHRIS]

ZX10R NIN said:

MG CHRIS said:

ZX10R NIN said:

ZX10R NIN said:

MG CHRIS said:

ZX10R NIN said:

MG CHRIS said:

Liking most of it infact, more ballast is a good thing as it wasn't doing much this year and the 2nd race start positions from fastest laps in race 1.

It's a shame they didn't have a rule saying the cars had to be saloons or 4 door coupes as interesting as BTCC was this year if V8 Supercars was on Motors Tv I'd turn over & watch that, rather than seeing Civics & A class Hatches etc (The Could Use A CLA & Civic Type R Saloon) I also think they should lose the Halfords wheel arches & look more like the road cars.

Yes but the problem with the car market its full with focus shapped cars so that's where the teams are going to use, also a like to see variety of different shapes not all 4 door boxes. People moaned when cars looked to standard ie the mg at media day in 2012 for example.

The problem I have with the v8 supercars is that paint all the car white take off all the badges etc and they all look very similar where as in the btcc you would be able to tell the different cars apart. This year we had 4 door saloons like the Passat /2 door hatch like the bmw, 4 door hatch like the mg and the estate of the civic touring only thing that is not allowed is coupe.

okay so not all saloons but lose the comedy arches

Most cars can comfortably fit 19's & 20's under their arches so for me there is no need for the arches "Race On Sunday Sell On Monday" rings true, less so when the cars don't represent what you go back to at the car park.

The arches on the smaller cars are to meet the minimum width, the bigger cars don't have as big an arch. The teams don't care for race on sunday sell on Monday as they are independent teams, mg don't sell much on the btcc programme and same from Honda how many civic tourers do you see on the road ive seen one.

The btcc has gone down this route to attract the smaller teams manufactures kill most things they enter as the cost goes mental teams pull out and we back to what it was like in 2000.

Even more so for the independent teams the more it looks like the guy on the streets car the more likely he is to find out who they are if he wants mods it works on race bikes so why not Btcc?

Just a thought I haven't watched enough to say I'm fully versed but if the car doesn't meet the requirement (with the arches) why not pick a car from the range that does.

Because often its either the only model to use or its the model that will most benefit them, Honda use the civic as its british made, welch used the proton as its was the cheapest car to base it on, merc a class for cicely racing was used as it was what they wanted to.
Most of the car fit in with the regs fine but gow used his discretion to allow the other with extended wheel arches as its better for the series to have more cars on the grid. However there was a team planning on entering with a fiat grande punto which gow said its simple not grande enough as it was way to small.

Just put it this way the civic is only a bit shorter than the accord that ran in the 90s that how small saloon cars were back then compared to new cars today.

Ive seen a few super touring cars at motorsport events and they are small compared to new cars.

[MG CHRIS]

rubystone said:

Cyder said:

The main system might be, but I'm not sure about the architecture, batteries, cooling systems and packaging layout. And I'm sure the RBR engineers wouldn't be visiting Nissan for tea and coffee meetings and to discuss the weather.

It's marketing BS. They probably visit them to deliver stickers for that Vettel edition Lexus hybrid.

Leave the f1 crap to the f1 thread please.

[EDLT]

SV8Predator said:

New rules:

http://www.touringcars.net/2014/10/btcc-to-make-ra...

If one of the top teams fails to qualify for some reason and starts at the back of race 1 could they just drive round relatively slowly to burn off fuel then nail it to qualify first for race 2?

[Cyder]

rubystone said:

Cyder said:

The main system might be, but I'm not sure about the architecture, batteries, cooling systems and packaging layout. And I'm sure the RBR engineers wouldn't be visiting Nissan for tea and coffee meetings and to discuss the weather.

It's marketing BS. They probably visit them to deliver stickers for that Vettel edition Lexus hybrid.

Ok then, I guess working in 'risk strategy and consulting' gives you more of an idea than me about the agreement, I only work with the guys who've been working with RBR, what would I know.

Anyway MGChris is right, this is for another thread really.

[rubystone]

Cyder said:

Ok then, I guess working in 'risk strategy and consulting' gives you more of an idea than me about the agreement, I only work with the guys who've been working with RBR, what would I know.

Anyway MGChris is right, this is for another thread really.

So why quote guff in the press? I'd love to know what tech has transferred from one to the other, I really would. And how it has filtered down to the road cars too.