Btcc 2015

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Mopar440

410 posts

112 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Marc W said:
It's definitely not the first time it's happened, it's just the first time it's been admitted to.
Do you have any proof of that, it is it just your opinion?


Janesy B

2,625 posts

186 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Why are are such an aggressive little so and so?

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

152 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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He was a naughty boy - he got caught and embarrassed on national tele. Job jobbed, move on.

I know the PH is a 'bring back hanging for stealing a handkerchief' sort of a place, but come one Mopar, it was a fairly minor offence - and natural justice has been served.

At least in my opinion.


Mopar440

410 posts

112 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Well you all love Rob Austin, and that's fair enough. He doesn't love his fans though.

Natural justice? He still kept the pole, which I find bizarre.

There were a number of fines and "official warnings" handed out after the Brands rounds, all (in my opinion) for incidents in the heat of the (racing) moment, usually borne out of frustration.

But Austin? No further action (as far as I am aware) for being a cheat.

Sorry to repeat myself, but absolutely bizarre.

egor110

16,860 posts

203 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Mopar440 said:
Well you all love Rob Austin, and that's fair enough. He doesn't love his fans though.

Natural justice? He still kept the pole, which I find bizarre.

There were a number of fines and "official warnings" handed out after the Brands rounds, all (in my opinion) for incidents in the heat of the (racing) moment, usually borne out of frustration.

But Austin? No further action (as far as I am aware) for being a cheat.

Sorry to repeat myself, but absolutely bizarre.
Touring cars isn't pure racing or fair.

It is however very popular with the fans and has a maasive tv audience.

Rules are changed to keep the racing close and exciting so fans don't get bored.

You might not like that but that's how it is.

Mopar440

410 posts

112 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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egor110 said:
You might not like that but that's how it is.
No. I agree with everything you said.

But what has that got to do with the Rob Austin (cheat) thang?


Roo

11,503 posts

207 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Mopar440 said:
Natural justice? He still kept the pole, which I find bizarre.
The draw was done live by Alan Gow.



Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

152 months

Thursday 9th April 2015
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Natural justice = he was caught out and embarrassed on national TV. In my opinion that is a punishment that fits the crime*.

Reset button was pressed. Draw was done again in fair manner.

  • Its not that everyone 'loves Rob Austin' its just everyone else on here has a sense of proportionality. It's not like it was pre-meditated and he fitted illegal parts to the car. It was 'heat of the moment' (as you put it - something you use to condone contact, another form of cheating arguably). He saw his number and went 'oooh - *grab*.' - it was the wrong thing to do, but a silly moment of madness rather than a calculated subversion of the rules.
As I said - in my opinion the punishment fitted the crime. Namely he embarrassed himself in front of the fans, organisers and his sponsors - and opened himself up to people like you who want to throw the book at him for what is ultimately a pretty piffling sin in the greater scheme of things.

In many ways it shows how good everyone has it at the moment if this is all we have got to be outraged about!


Jayyylo

985 posts

147 months

Thursday 9th April 2015
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I actually agree that Rob's ball should have been taken out for the re-draw. Small punishment for a small crime plus the obvious apology that was required. Anything more than this would have been an over the top reaction.

Speed Badger

2,691 posts

117 months

Thursday 9th April 2015
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Touring car driver does unfair move to get ahead...hmm

iva cosworth

44,044 posts

163 months

Thursday 9th April 2015
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It's not like Austin stormed away and won the race.


Can't even remember his finishing position.

Let's move on.....confusedconfused

MondeoMan1981

2,356 posts

183 months

Thursday 9th April 2015
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Yeah so what Austin did was perhaps 'unsportsmanlike' but this is a serious racing series not gentlemanly club racing where they all doff their flat caps shake hands and wish each other a jolly good race.

Any other driver would have done the same in the moment. Most wouldn't come clean though - at least he put his hands up and said sorry.

Mopar440

410 posts

112 months

Thursday 9th April 2015
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MondeoMan1981 said:
Yeah so what Austin did was perhaps 'unsportsmanlike' but this is a serious racing series not gentlemanly club racing
I agree. Therefore there should be a "serious" punishment. Not the "gentlemanly club racing" "Oh, he's a bounder, isn't he?" reaction that we have,


MondeoMan1981 said:
Any other driver would have done the same in the moment. Most wouldn't come clean though - at least he put his hands up and said sorry.
Any other driver would have done the same? Really?

But he put his hands up and said sorry. That makes it all right then.

He didn't have any choice! He was caught!

Wh00sher

1,590 posts

218 months

Friday 10th April 2015
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Did Rob run over your dog or something ? You seem to have a particular dislike of him....

Allyc85

7,225 posts

186 months

Friday 10th April 2015
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FFS get over it, everyone else has....

egor110

16,860 posts

203 months

Friday 10th April 2015
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Mopar440 said:
MondeoMan1981 said:
Yeah so what Austin did was perhaps 'unsportsmanlike' but this is a serious racing series not gentlemanly club racing
I agree. Therefore there should be a "serious" punishment. Not the "gentlemanly club racing" "Oh, he's a bounder, isn't he?" reaction that we have,


MondeoMan1981 said:
Any other driver would have done the same in the moment. Most wouldn't come clean though - at least he put his hands up and said sorry.
Any other driver would have done the same? Really?

But he put his hands up and said sorry. That makes it all right then.

He didn't have any choice! He was caught!
Whatever you think re the Austin drama, you now have 2 options.

Either stop watching or carry on watching, you can bh and moan as much as you like unless your one of Austin's sponsors and threatening to leave the team because of the ball pick incident , then you have no say as to how the btcc is run.

Edited by egor110 on Friday 10th April 06:55

HQ2

2,295 posts

137 months

Friday 10th April 2015
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Wh00sher said:
Did Rob run over your dog or something ? You seem to have a particular dislike of him....
hehe certainly a bit of an obsession.

Crafty_

13,284 posts

200 months

Friday 10th April 2015
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MondeoMan1981 said:
....but this is a serious racing series...
No its not, its just that some people take it seriously, which is why they are offended.



emicen

8,581 posts

218 months

Friday 10th April 2015
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Crafty_ said:
MondeoMan1981 said:
....but this is a serious racing series...
No its not, its just that some people take it seriously, which is why they are offended.
Reckon every driver out there, who has to find 6 figure sums of money a year to compete in it, thinks it's pretty serious.

egor110

16,860 posts

203 months

Friday 10th April 2015
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emicen said:
Crafty_ said:
MondeoMan1981 said:
....but this is a serious racing series...
No its not, its just that some people take it seriously, which is why they are offended.
Reckon every driver out there, who has to find 6 figure sums of money a year to compete in it, thinks it's pretty serious.
I'd swop the word serious for pure, it's not a pure racing series.

It is a very successful series though.