Btcc 2015

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Mostro said:

Fairly sedate if not dull race 1. Only surprised that Plato didn't do as suggested and back the Hondas up into BMW mayhem!

Agreed just caught up watching race 1 was just another qualifying session for race 2 plato playing tactics hold shedden up so he cant set a fast time. BMR should have swapped turks over with plato just to gain a few more points.

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Set up perfectly for the last race Neal and plato with shedden in 19th. Neal will hold up Plato just like in 2009 with turks. Menu starts infront of shedden in 15th which is the start of the points so menu will do everything possible to stop shedden.

This is going to be a superb race.

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Plato did everything he had to do and shedden did the same, well deserved drive from shedden even if a few just jumped out the way glad to see some drivers actually defending goff for one.

Bmr and the team might just think back at race 1 and think plato should have been let by for more points, at the end of the day it was plato and shedden the teams effort should have been towards plato. Don't think smith will be back at the team next year.

Another great year which went down to the final race cant ask more than that. The one real shame though is what if motorbase had started at the first rd that focus is a quick car.

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EDLT said:

Did they turn the boost up on Shedden's car? He was passing people on the straights, not something the Hondas have been able to do all year.

It looked like it but wasn't helped by people pulling over to let him past, Jordan/cole/smith/priaulx all put up no defense only one that did was goff and collard.

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skeggysteve said:

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Bmr and the team might just think back at race 1 and think plato should have been let by for more points....

You make a good point Chris.

I can't be bothered to do the maths but do wonder what difference it would have made if Smith had played the team game in race one.

Just worked it out if both turks and smith dropped back plato would of got 4 extra points. So would of been a tie with plato winning on race wins.

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MonkeyHanger said:

Jordan in a 3rd Honda next year then?

Had to smile when he started indicating left!

I also remember plato doing a similar thing for Jordan in 2013 in the wet in the last race he dropped back as soon as Jordan got past he all of a sudden picked up speed.

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acer12 said:

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Don't think smith will be back at the team next year.

Its all well and good for Matt Neal to pull over (or try to pull over, to me it looked like he didn't necessary want to assist sheddan with his half ar5ed attempts), but at the end of the day smith is paying a sh!t load of his own money for his drive (and likely subsidising plato & turks) so why should he play the team game, after he is gone from BTCC do you think he will be remembered for pulling over to let fellow drivers by?

Talk of BMR dropping a relatively quick and importantly paying driver is a bit daft, if he leaves it wont be related to this race

Still the facts still remain 4 points lost, turks was never really in for the main title the indy yes but the main one no, smith didn't play ball and sort of messed up in race 2 as well.
If I were a team manager id be doing everything possible for my main driver to win the title doesn't matter who pays the bills the team comes first.

Would you rather plato or smith in your team I take plato smith is way to inconsistent.

Honda and neal did all they could to help shedden bmr should have done the same.

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acer12 said:

Tordoff and Plato exchanging a few words on Twitter. Tordoff gets my vote

@samtordoff: Obeying Team Orders: Massive difference if u are being paid by a team vs paying for a drive! For 99% of drivers on grid the latter applies!

But you still drive for the team and the boss has the final words doesn't matter if you pay for the ride or not.

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btcc123 said:

emicen said:

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emicen said:

btcc123 said:

For race 3 Shedden had his engine turned up to qualifying mode where it gives black smoke out of the exhaust so it was a case of Champion or engine blow up.

Its not a diesel. Just cause Tim Harvey hits out with it on commentary doesn't mean it's actually happening.

During qualifying it was mentioned about the black smoke and the Honda engine in qualifying mode.In race 2 and 3 there was no black smoke as the engine was in race mode.In race 3 Shedden did a great job for several reasons,the engine was turned up into Qualifying mode,no ballast in the car and the help of other drivers as they saw their preferred title contender come through the field.

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Petrol engines don't "smoke" under boost unless they have a problem.

The soot, not smoke, shows its running a slightly rich mix. If they "turned it up for qualifying mode" they would lean it out and it would put out less soot.

I'm sure Tim Harvey did spraff some bobbins during the qualifying coverage harking back to the days of the RS500s when they did have qualifying boost and race boost. The world has moved on, boost levels are set by TOCA for the season. Unless of course you're suggesting, in a magnanimous show of sportsmanship, Honda only run their maximum allowed boost in qualifying then hobble their car for the races just to make things interesting. Doubt it somehow.

I do not know what it is called but there was some black stuff coming out of the rear of the Honda during qualifying and race 3.Tim Harvey mentioned this in both qualifyimg and race 3 and would have thought he would know what he is talking about.

I know virtually nothing about the workings of an engine but would have thought that to get more power you would run the engine rich to get more petrol in the cylinders but dont know what effect that has on the boost.I would think that they would tweek the engine for qualifying but not do it in the race for reliability reasons and maybe they took a chance in race 3.

I will bow to you better knowledge of the workings of an engine but can only say what I saw and heard.

Sheddens Honda did look a lot quicker in race 3 than what ive ever seen it before maybe that was down to others slowing up making it look a lot quicker I don't know but it looked so much quicker down the straights compared to the other cars. His brakes were glowing red hot which you don't see very often neither yes in race2 that was down to a brake problem on the rear but the 3rd race could see who hot they were getting.
Im not one for knowing or caring about the inner workings of the btcc and both drivers in the last race did everything they had to do to win. The title is full of iffs and buts what if Jason did have that puncture at the first rd which took a win and a good grid position away from the next race he would be well ahead, what if shedden didn't have that nightmare weekend at snetterton etc.

Its over Shedden won it with the best car on the grid cant do no more than that. As long as 2016 is the same as this year we be on for another great year specially with motorbase back from the beginning too.