The 2015 Rallying Thread

The 2015 Rallying Thread

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Skylinecrazy

13,986 posts

194 months

Saturday 31st January 2015
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Blayney said:
GravelMachineGun said:
Blayney said:
GravelMachineGun said:
Anyone going to Red Kite this weekend?
Not expecting many people as it is a Sunday.
I'll be there filming for my Youtube channel.

Might skip Rally Cwm Gwendraeth, I'm doing Wyedean. Then I haven't decided on Mid Wales and Tour of Epynt.
Seeing as you mentioned it...got a link to your channel?
I love rally vids. I used to take photos but sold all my equipment (as in professional equipment not point and click)
Now I just go to enjoy.
Just amateur coverage, but I enjoy it

https://www.youtube.com/user/Blayney1989
Enjoyed watching some matey smile seems like there's a few PHers going tomorrow.

Blayney

2,948 posts

186 months

Saturday 31st January 2015
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I think it's gonna be a bumper year for national rallying. Great entries (Wyedean filled an expanded 180 entries and there's still people on a reserve) and hopefully decent amount of spectators too!

I'm not driving tomorrow but you can usually spot my car in the car parks as I have PH sticker on the back of a black Twingo GT.

On the stages I'll be the one with the tiny camera on a tripod and a DSR Motorsport Hat on!

K50 DEL

9,237 posts

228 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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aeropilot said:
Slippydiff said:
So perhaps stop whining tongue out and celebrate the fact that the WRC is looking healthier than it has since the halcyon days when Subaru, Mitsubishi, Ford, Toyota, Skoda, Peugeot, Seat etc were competing ? smile
Which was still hardly a patch on the real halcyon days when, Ford, Datsun, Fiat, Lancia, Toyota, Opel, Renault, Mercedes, Porsche, Vauxhall, Peugeot, Saab, Mitsubishi, Talbot, Audi, Mazda, Triumph, Volvo, Skoda & Lada were competing in the WRC wink
20 manufacturer teams, events that went on for a week..... Rallying really has a long way to go to get back to those great days doesn't it..

Allyc85

7,225 posts

186 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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Sounds like the weather has hit the Red Kite, with snow and ice causing the cancellation of stage 2 and accidents on the roads into the stages.

Alex Langheck

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835 posts

129 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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K50 DEL said:
20 manufacturer teams, events that went on for a week..... Rallying really has a long way to go to get back to those great days doesn't it..
While true, 20 is simply unsustainable - but the variety of cars was such a strength. All types, now look what we have. They may be the fastest over a stage, but they don't have the WOW factor that cars from the past had.

As for the events; well were do you start? F1 is still about 90 minutes, the great Sportscar races are still over 6, 12, 24 hours. Last weeks Monte was 221 miles of stages - a sprint!! I've said that if the WRC ran Le Mans, it would now be 4 hours on the Bugatti circuit.... Because that is what they've done to the WRC. It's still good (occasionally great) , but watered down.

Emeye

9,773 posts

223 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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Alex Langheck said:
While true, 20 is simply unsustainable - but the variety of cars was such a strength. All types, now look what we have. They may be the fastest over a stage, but they don't have the WOW factor that cars from the past had.

As for the events; well were do you start? F1 is still about 90 minutes, the great Sportscar races are still over 6, 12, 24 hours. Last weeks Monte was 221 miles of stages - a sprint!! I've said that if the WRC ran Le Mans, it would now be 4 hours on the Bugatti circuit.... Because that is what they've done to the WRC. It's still good (occasionally great) , but watered down.
I'm not sure why they think making WRC a sprint makes it more popular - it makes it boring. Rather than desperately trying to appeal to the short attention span want it all want it now youth to try and sell them shopping cars, they should step up to more desirable motors closer to the models you can really buy or specials that are nowhere near what you can buy proving their endurance and let the halo effect filter down to the cars lower in the range. Looking at the car park at "Rally Wales not really in GB" the average fan was not driving a Polo or a Fiesta.

I'm betif VW were running Golf Rs or Siroccos Rs you would still have the younger guys going out buying Polos if they couldn't afford to buy or insure one of the more expensive cars - I am sure that the Halo effect never filters up a range, always down.

Look at Lemans and Dakar - most of those cars are nothing like the models you can buy or very high end, but a cool looking race or rally car by a manufacturer winning races creates the brand aura that matters.

I was flabbergasted when Loeb said he didn't like the longer rallies, but then I realised that there is no way he would have dominated in the old days - longer rallies mix it up more.

Ranger 6

7,051 posts

249 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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Alex Langheck said:
...Last weeks Monte was 221 miles of stages - a sprint!!...
Yup, a sprint. We've got club rallies in the UK which have nearly 160 stage miles, there needs to be an endurance aspect to the sport

ArnageWRC

2,065 posts

159 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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Allyc85 said:
Sounds like the weather has hit the Red Kite, with snow and ice causing the cancellation of stage 2 and accidents on the roads into the stages.
Was planning on speccying - had a look at the forecast, and reports. Decided against it; seems the right decision. The access road into Crychan from Cynghordy is particularly narrow - I can't imagine how treacherous it must be with snow & ice.

Blayney

2,948 posts

186 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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it was very icy. Saw some rubbish technique as well just wheel spinning and sliding backwards. Police struggled in their rwd low profile super wide tyred BMW. My mate drove very well and we got in no problem.

Cracking days rallying. Here's a preview of the slow motion my phone captured of a mk2 escort. I'll be processing the proper footage tonight. Vid up later in the week. http://youtu.be/_eUKaQ7S_I8

Skylinecrazy

13,986 posts

194 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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The road into Crichley was treacherous. Was still a good day out with some very impressive driving. Sadly some bloke in a Mk2 escort binned it right in front of us.

Melvyn Evans was flying in the scoob and won overall, with Charlie Payne's Fiesta not far behind.

Roll on the legend of fires biggrin

Blayney

2,948 posts

186 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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Bit far for me to go I'm afraid!

Skylinecrazy

13,986 posts

194 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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You at the Wydean?

Blayney

2,948 posts

186 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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Definitely, this will be my fifth. Looking forward to seeing Perez's Stratos again.

aeropilot

34,566 posts

227 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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Ranger 6 said:
Alex Langheck said:
...Last weeks Monte was 221 miles of stages - a sprint!!...
Yup, a sprint. We've got club rallies in the UK which have nearly 160 stage miles, there needs to be an endurance aspect to the sport
Sadly, I can't ever see real rallying making a return to the WRC.

It should be a mix, of speed, endurance, navigation, event management.


I'd bring back homologated versions of production cars, 2wd only, 3 day/2night events, with 50+ stages, no pacenotes and pre-event practice etc.,etc.


epom

11,502 posts

161 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Alex Langheck said:
There are aome great looking cars in current motorsport - sadly, very few of them are in the WRC. The Polo looks good, but the i20 & Yaris are awful. Fortunately, the proposed i20 Coupe looks quite good.
Jeez I think the i20 looks Handsome.

Ranger 6

7,051 posts

249 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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aeropilot said:
....50+ stages
Disagree there - if 160 miles can be done with 20 stages (longest is 22 miles) over 2 nights, one day, club rally remember here. Let's see more miles and 10 stages per loop.

K50 DEL

9,237 posts

228 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Skylinecrazy said:
Melvyn Evans was flying in the scoob and won overall, D
Don't forget my mate Mark on the notes.... a heck of an event apparently!

Skylinecrazy

13,986 posts

194 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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K50 DEL said:
Skylinecrazy said:
Melvyn Evans was flying in the scoob and won overall, D
Don't forget my mate Mark on the notes.... a heck of an event apparently!
In what respect? Weather conditions?


chevronb37

6,471 posts

186 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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We booked our cottage for Rally Finland over the weekend. It's right in the middle of all the stages. Fortunately we'll be in the company of some Finns so they can keep an eye on us.

Cheers for the vacational advice so far - will be sure to post up a full account of the event when I get back.

Allyc85

7,225 posts

186 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Good to see they are trying hard to get Corsica back into the WRC!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117559

While car park info is up for Wyedean, hopefully there will be some maps soon too!

http://www.wyedeanrally.com/park.pdf