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Here's some vids I took from the Harry flatters rally, when I say took I mean pressed record and left it there while I marshalled so don't be expecting TV level production
SS1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNSDmpJ4Z2Y
SS2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLRGIMN-ux0
SS4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS1Qqephtbc
SS5 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYuEp2k8z4Y
SS3 is missing as the rain covered the screen and where I thought I had it positioned on the jump it was too far away and it caught very little really.
Here's some vids I took from the Harry flatters rally, when I say took I mean pressed record and left it there while I marshalled so don't be expecting TV level production
SS1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNSDmpJ4Z2Y
SS2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLRGIMN-ux0
SS4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS1Qqephtbc
SS5 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYuEp2k8z4Y
SS3 is missing as the rain covered the screen and where I thought I had it positioned on the jump it was too far away and it caught very little really.
Nice! Hopefully I can make it to the Mewla this year!
Been watching highlights of the 1999 Chinese round this evening, looked "interesting" to say the least!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFvx9xKunJs&li...
Been watching highlights of the 1999 Chinese round this evening, looked "interesting" to say the least!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFvx9xKunJs&li...
So both Meeke and Ostberg have until Australia to show they deserve a drive at Citroen.
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/august/meeke-three-...
I see VW have said they would have Meeke in a 4th car, if they were to run one
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/august/meeke-three-...
I see VW have said they would have Meeke in a 4th car, if they were to run one
Alex Langheck said:
Hmm, I'm not impressed by Matton's man management.
To man manage, you have to set the rules and the pace for the drivers. not let them set the rules and pace to try and pleasy you!? what a bizarre situation Citroen are in.
Its almost like they've made the decision to pull out and are just keeping a face on about it all. then when they let go of KM & MO and don't fill the seats with big names they can use it to 'take a sabbatical' from the sport to 're focus and re group'.
It is good to hear Capito with positive words for Kris. But could they honestly throw in a 4th car?
In other bizarre WRC world news, Toyota has announced that Tommi Makinen Racing is taking over the development of the yaris programme, despite TMG (Toyota Motorsport GmbH) doing all the legwork up until now. Tommi even admitting that TMG has better facilities than his outfit!
WRC WEBSITE said:
Q: And what stage are you at with the car?
TM: "The base will be the Yaris. We have a cooperation with TMG [Toyota Motorsport GmbH] in Germany but the total project responsibility is with me and my company, TMR [Tommi Mäkinen Racing]. TMG is developing the engine at the moment and we are looking into what else we can do with them. They have a strong aerodynamic department - and other areas too. How much we co-operate with the different areas is under discussion."
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/august/tommi-qa/page/2691--12-12-.htmlTM: "The base will be the Yaris. We have a cooperation with TMG [Toyota Motorsport GmbH] in Germany but the total project responsibility is with me and my company, TMR [Tommi Mäkinen Racing]. TMG is developing the engine at the moment and we are looking into what else we can do with them. They have a strong aerodynamic department - and other areas too. How much we co-operate with the different areas is under discussion."
The Makinen story I find surreal. There is something we are not being told ( and WRC journalists aren't known for being hard hitting, so we won't find out the truth for a while).
What has changed from TMG in Cologne building and testing the Yaris for the past year - to Akio Toyoda deciding that TMR based in Finland will do a better job? A team, who have achieved very little at world level, and don't even have a WRC level base from were the cars will be built.
I did laugh at a comment in another forum were somebody reckoned Tommi persuaded Akio over a few vodkas & a sauna; it looks like a jolly for Tommi and his mates. Needless to say, the Finnish forum members were not impressed.
But, why would you spend money building a new base when you have the massive facility in Cologne?
What has changed from TMG in Cologne building and testing the Yaris for the past year - to Akio Toyoda deciding that TMR based in Finland will do a better job? A team, who have achieved very little at world level, and don't even have a WRC level base from were the cars will be built.
I did laugh at a comment in another forum were somebody reckoned Tommi persuaded Akio over a few vodkas & a sauna; it looks like a jolly for Tommi and his mates. Needless to say, the Finnish forum members were not impressed.
But, why would you spend money building a new base when you have the massive facility in Cologne?
Maybe its down to PR & Exposure for the both of them? Toyota maybe not selling well in Finland so get Tommi on board and a "Finnish built Rally Car" to appeal to the fans?
Perhaps the deal to get the Makinen name associated to the outfit was to allow Tommi to get what he wants?
Toyota really wanted him, Tommi doesnt want to live in Germany so they compromised?
Its all very bizarre! It could also be a good get out clause for all involved if it goes belly up i.e-
Toyota say it was TMR responsible for the failed venture.
TMR say Toyota put too many limits/demands on for success, got too involved and wouldn't let Tommi run it as he wanted.
All the while TMG are there going "we were just doing as we were told, this isn't our f
kup"
Perhaps the deal to get the Makinen name associated to the outfit was to allow Tommi to get what he wants?
Toyota really wanted him, Tommi doesnt want to live in Germany so they compromised?
Its all very bizarre! It could also be a good get out clause for all involved if it goes belly up i.e-
Toyota say it was TMR responsible for the failed venture.
TMR say Toyota put too many limits/demands on for success, got too involved and wouldn't let Tommi run it as he wanted.
All the while TMG are there going "we were just doing as we were told, this isn't our f
kup" RyanTank said:
The whole Tommi thing sounds faintly ludicrous. Tommi admitting they haven't got the staff, but will recruit them in August with a view to being up and running in September ! !He also admits their current facility may not be big enough, but if that's the case they'll move ( but they're not sure where to ! ! )
Dave Richards may be be a bit of a kn*bhead, but I'd fancy Toyotas chances of gaining a WRC drivers/manufacturers title with DR at the helm rather than Tommi.
Got to feel for Meeke. But if he's done enough to impress JC at VW, that's high praise indeed. I can't see why VW couldn't/wouldn't run Meeke alongside Andreas M in the VW Motorsport 2 team to form a four car "superteam" ?
I think the real clues as to how serious Toyota/TMR are about this venture will be in the targets being met, and drivers signed.
Mikko has already publicly stated he's interested in talking to Toyota/Tommi about working together in some capacity. So lets see if anything comes of that.
Mads playing a bit of mind games maybe - linky Demanding commitment from Citroen. Turns out he and Meeke are on yearly contracts, that says to me that they've had plans to pull out/reduce the WRC programme for a while now.
Other teams may run the same thing, but I'm pretty sure M-Sport boys signed "multi year deals" and I cant see SO & JML being on yearly contracts with VW
Paddon gets the nod over Sordo in Australia - Link Hyundai playing for manufacturer points and trusting in Paddons 'local' knowledge as Dani hasnt done Australia for a while, nor any of the Coffs stages.
I like Dani, and had he not been Loeb's understudy at Citroen all those years I think he'd have won a lot more rounds, especially on tarmac.
Mikko has already publicly stated he's interested in talking to Toyota/Tommi about working together in some capacity. So lets see if anything comes of that.
Mads playing a bit of mind games maybe - linky Demanding commitment from Citroen. Turns out he and Meeke are on yearly contracts, that says to me that they've had plans to pull out/reduce the WRC programme for a while now.
Other teams may run the same thing, but I'm pretty sure M-Sport boys signed "multi year deals" and I cant see SO & JML being on yearly contracts with VW
Paddon gets the nod over Sordo in Australia - Link Hyundai playing for manufacturer points and trusting in Paddons 'local' knowledge as Dani hasnt done Australia for a while, nor any of the Coffs stages.
I like Dani, and had he not been Loeb's understudy at Citroen all those years I think he'd have won a lot more rounds, especially on tarmac.
RyanTank said:
Paddon gets the nod over Sordo in Australia - Link Hyundai playing for manufacturer points and trusting in Paddons 'local' knowledge as Dani hasnt done Australia for a while, nor any of the Coffs stages.
Makes sense, Paddon has always done well there - 2011 he was 6th overall in a Group-N Impreza, 2013 was electrical failure on the first morning but rejoined and set consistent top 10 times in an S2000 Fabia, 2014 6th again. Then consider his recent form as well, you can see the logic.I'm starting to have a look at Germany and the possibility of moving between stages, it's years since I've been, how long should I allow for everyone to go through, an hour?
Also, the Saturday, does anything else happen at Panzerplatte as there's a MASSIVE gap between runs! I've never been there before as I hear it's usually rammed.
Bob
Also, the Saturday, does anything else happen at Panzerplatte as there's a MASSIVE gap between runs! I've never been there before as I hear it's usually rammed.
Bob
There's a National event running behind the WRC cars on the Saturday (or there was in 2013)
Getting from stage to stage can be tricky, the Germans are efficient, well organised and inflexible, so trying to blag your way into somewhere you shouldn't be/park/access won't get you far in my experience.
Getting from stage to stage can be tricky, the Germans are efficient, well organised and inflexible, so trying to blag your way into somewhere you shouldn't be/park/access won't get you far in my experience.
GravelBen said:
Makes sense, Paddon has always done well there - 2011 he was 6th overall in a Group-N Impreza, 2013 was electrical failure on the first morning but rejoined and set consistent top 10 times in an S2000 Fabia, 2014 6th again. Then consider his recent form as well, you can see the logic.
Ohh absolutely agree. wasn't questioning the decision.Rally Germany - there's no info on if there's a national series running between WRC runs. or anything for that matter that isn't available online at least.
I don't see how they are running the 2 short Panzerplatte stages before the long one? the run times don't make sense, unless they are sending the WRC cars back in between the WRC2/PWRC category cars?
panzer long uses 2 corners that panzer 1 & 2 use, so can only assume they will be concrete barrierd off, the stages are going in the same direction so not such a safety issue, but it'll need barricading off to prevent overshoots into the long stage, that is if the nationals are running both the short sections. Unless the nationals are only running the PM stages?
Good news on the national event. It doesn't say on the website (not that I could see anyway). Depending on the size of the field it'll be a short break between the end of them and the start of the 2nd run. If the national event of WRGB is anything to go by!
by the time the closing cars gone through and I've had time for a pee and some food the FIA vehicles are rolling up to arrivals!
Good news on the national event. It doesn't say on the website (not that I could see anyway). Depending on the size of the field it'll be a short break between the end of them and the start of the 2nd run. If the national event of WRGB is anything to go by!
by the time the closing cars gone through and I've had time for a pee and some food the FIA vehicles are rolling up to arrivals!
Good day out at a local club rally on Saturday. Rain, hail, snow... proper rallying weather!
DSC_9904 by Ben, on Flickr
DSC_9380 by Ben, on Flickr
DSC_0304 by Ben, on Flickr
DSC_0504 by Ben, on Flickr
DSC_9560 by Ben, on Flickr
DSC_0002 by Ben, on Flickr
DSC_0339 by Ben, on Flickr
DSC_0200 by Ben, on Flickr
DSC_9904 by Ben, on FlickrDSC_9380 by Ben, on FlickrDSC_0304 by Ben, on FlickrDSC_0504 by Ben, on FlickrDSC_9560 by Ben, on FlickrDSC_0002 by Ben, on FlickrDSC_0339 by Ben, on FlickrDSC_0200 by Ben, on FlickrRyan, that's where I'm planning to head, three sightings in quick succession hopefully though I can't imagine it's only me to have thought that!
I'm thinking possibly three stages on the Friday, Sauretal 1, Mittelmosel 1 and then either stay there for the second run or possibly go on to Waxweiler 2. Could all be a bit tight though!
Panzerplatte all day Saturday and Dhrontal for both runs on Sunday. Not forgetting Shakedown and the start on Thursday
Ben, great pics, love the 2nd one
I'm thinking possibly three stages on the Friday, Sauretal 1, Mittelmosel 1 and then either stay there for the second run or possibly go on to Waxweiler 2. Could all be a bit tight though!
Panzerplatte all day Saturday and Dhrontal for both runs on Sunday. Not forgetting Shakedown and the start on Thursday
Ben, great pics, love the 2nd one
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